To answer Ydubbs's thread on this:

Yes, Repair Tools should be able to repair through damage. In most games, a healing role or tool is able to heal a person under attack in some way, so why would this game be any different?

Right now, Damage will override Repairs. Do enough to outdamage or alpha strike the enemy being repaired and you will kill them. Explosive kills are even better as they kill and terminate the clone forcing the person to respawn with full timers.

After thinking about it for sometime, I wouldn't mind Shield based infantry getting some love with an introduction of a Shield Repair Tool. I will leave the group-think on that to the community though as I would probably stick with my armor Repair Tools.

WP is a tool to show a mercenary's battle effectiveness and I don't think it does it well enough. I wouldn't mind seeing War Points split up to show how you achieved those War Points. For example:

Slayer War Points - Kills, Kill Assists, Vehicle Kills, and Vehicle Kill Assists
Triage War Points - War Points gained from repairs
Hacker War Points - War Points gained from hacking objectives and installations
Anti-Armor War Points - War Points gained from the damage and destruction of vehicles and installations
Support War Points - War Points gained from Team Spawns and Team Resupplies

Finally, a Heavy/Logi combo represents teamwork at it's finest. A perfect example to show your skill in this game.

Ultimately, the responses to me amount to nothing more than "You are new, do you logibro? Errmm... Logi, bro? WUTEVA! WUTEVA! I DO WHAT I WANT!"

Yes, I have a prototype caldari logistics, but I use the Gallente because it has three equipment slots. Yes, I have a core repair tool. Yes, I have an Imperial A-1 Sentinel suit with tons of plates and a Burst HMG for the sole purpose of getting repped by logistics players.

Anyways, here's food for thought...

Gallente Logistics can't just indefinitely spam scanners without equipping multiple scanners...

Caldari Logistics can't just indefinitely spam nanohives without equipping multiple nanohives...

Amarr Logistics can't just indefinitely spam uplinks without equipping multiple uplinks...

Yet... Minmatar Logistics have a powerful impact, no a game changing effect on the match with just one rep tool, just one, without ever having to worry about running out, having cooldowns, or having their equipment destroyed by flux grenades.

If all the logistics suits could spam what they specialize in infinitely...

Gallente Logistics would shut down any e-war or any possibility of getting flanked, remember scanner ballerinas? Yeah, multiply that by infinity and that's what you'd get if scanners were still broken.

Amarr Logistics would only need to stay alive and throw uplinks around himself in the objective to keep of players instantly spawning, remember that uplink spam in domination that everyone cried was just an "win button"?

Caldari Logistics would be able to throw infinite nanohives at peoples' feet and get easy warpoints... Nevermind throwing fluxes, they'll just lay MOAR nanohives. Not to mention it'd be the easiest point whoring ever... Just throw compact nanohives at peoples' feet the instant they take damage or shoot and bada bing, bada boom- POINTS!

Would these situations be balanced? Think about it, the repair tool is broken. It's not that it's become an issue lately, it's always been an issue, I've personally always pointed it out (just not on the forums), but maybe now is the time for a small tweak.

I'm not trying to eradicate this playstyle or tactic, I want to see it intact, but don't you think it should require multiple repair tools or greater sacrifices to accomplish?

Furthermore, there's another imposing factor on receiving Triage points:

The ally receiving repairs must have done damage to the enemy within the past 30 seconds. (This might be within the past 60 seconds, but I haven't accurately tested this yet.)

I've noticed this when I repaired some of my teammates and received Triage points, meaning I was off Triage cooldown. The Sentinel patient in question was down to about 10% armor. I start repairing him and received no Triage points. At about 50% armor, he lets his HMG go on an enemy and scores some hits. I instantly start receiving Triage points repairing the rest of his armor.

Also, you bring up a good point with the current lock on system. It's very buggy and most of the time, the reason I'm consistently running repairs is because I know there's a chance I won't be able to lock on in an instant. A cluster of allies reduces my effective healing as well, since my repair will always lock on to the person that's not in need of repairs.

If you want to limit the repair tool and pick up a negative, you must also compromise and let it pick up another positive.


So many things wrong with the above comparisons...

First off, Gallente Logistics can indefinitely spam scanners with multiple scanners and continue to keep the enemy team permascanned.

Caldari Logistics can give a bonus to Nanohives with resupply rate, triage rate, and max clusters bonus, all the while providing that passive bonus with a gun to support the team.

Amarr Logistics can give a bonus to Uplinks even when in a vehicle. Shielding themselves in ADS allows them to provide Uplink support while also being a slayer in the air. Problems with AV on the ground? Well placed uplinks can allow you team to spawn in quickly and make quick work of infantry AV.

Yet... Minmatar Logistics only provide a bonus to the repair tool in repair amount and repair tool range. I have to worry about the repair beam breaking around corners, frantically reattaching the beam when it does, getting frustrated in allied clusterf*ck situations as the beam bounces around to targets that don't need healing, and be completely vulnerable while I have my repair tool out as I can either repair or provide weaponry support to the team. (Gallente Logistics also deals with this too to an extent.)

Perspective.

Finally, I find it interesting that you exclude Gallente, Caldari, and Amarr from having repair tools. The way you present your examples shows more to your problem with racial logistical bonuses rather than the repair tool itself.

EDIT: Clarified my example with the Gallente Logi.

Perhaps ammo for a repair tool isn't such a bad idea. Healing hives have a certain amount of nanites before they pop. It would be interesting for a repair tool to switch out "clips" or "drums" of nanites before they can continue repairing their allies. I think that would change gameplay for the better.

They need capacitors or overheat mechanics. It would fix the situation, and end the arguments. Logis will have to work harder which will earn them some respect. Players will appreciate them a little more without having to nerf the actual suit. Giving them less ehp is f*cking ret*rded. Making them weak because they carry the super tool is selfish, but making the super tool not so super is the smart thing to do.

which fps allows you to rep while you're taking damage?

What was I wrong about? I asked which ones allowed you to rep. I didn't say they didn't..I haven't played ALL fps. In MAG, you stopped repping once you started to take damage.

What I do find funny is when I make a reference to other games, people say "Well, this isn't so and so". Dust isn't COD, etc etc. But I guess comparisons are good when it's convenient.