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Poncho Polous Titans of Phoenix 718	Posted - 2015.01.02 08:15:00 - [1] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: While I do admit a lot of the points you resent are factual like their is no denying that no one showed up to the OH districts and they had owned a huge portion of MH which was given to us basically for free with their departure a lot of it is over stated. Nickmunson made it seem as if we farmed billions a week and to be honest I hardly used mine and Derrith was either inactive or hardly used his though I'm sure a select few made quite a bit off it. We had been trying to give districts away but were running into problems such as nobody wanted them and often we gave some away just to be flipped by alliance. My problem was never with Cap Acq as a whole but more with a few players like warrior kill for example who took every chance he could to instigate and trash talk all over alliance. It was also with the Hypocrisy for example munson bitches for 20 minutes straight about PARTHOK ringing against alliance then someone kindly points out he hopped over to ToP. It eventually turns into him bitching about FA owning too much land and Nonneck say he will ring against alliance if we do not cut down our land. Nickmunson then says he will too, after 20 minutes of bitching about ringing against alliance he abandons his whole "ringing against alliance is the single most important alliance rule" Then of course we see Nonneck ring against Murphy's after FA Drops below 1% and murphys doesn't have even half as many districts as Cap. I just feel Cap was not only not helping the alliance but outright going against it w/ the whole Nonneck ringing thing not to say they weren't evr helpful I know munson did ring for murphys and once or twice killed enemy OB support for FA. I misunderstood you when you said never beaten anyone I took it to mean individual battles not wars as a whole and while I obviously have bias and would disagree I can see why you'd say that. No-showing may not be the most honorable thing and often wrong it does help save morale for example we no-showed against ERA the weekend after locking because we could not possibly beat them with our line up and went on to smash them with a great team over the next 5 days straight. Well it's unfortunate we could not get along with each other and both corps had been a bit too aggressive towards each other. Entirely serperate to most of the argument, I have no say in any of what y'all are talking about, but I couldn't help but stop to point out that when FA was giving away districts, there were multiple occurrences of trolling small corps by making them waste 50 mill on a district just to place a large attack on it the same day and flip it back, TPF being one of them while I was still there, which might have had something to do with the lack of enthusiasm in terms of corps trying to get in on it. Titans of Phoenix > Director > WE DA BUUUUSSSS!
Poncho Polous Titans of Phoenix 719	Posted - 2015.01.02 18:33:00 - [2] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Poncho Polous wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: While I do admit a lot of the points you resent are factual like their is no denying that no one showed up to the OH districts and they had owned a huge portion of MH which was given to us basically for free with their departure a lot of it is over stated. Nickmunson made it seem as if we farmed billions a week and to be honest I hardly used mine and Derrith was either inactive or hardly used his though I'm sure a select few made quite a bit off it. We had been trying to give districts away but were running into problems such as nobody wanted them and often we gave some away just to be flipped by alliance. My problem was never with Cap Acq as a whole but more with a few players like warrior kill for example who took every chance he could to instigate and trash talk all over alliance. It was also with the Hypocrisy for example munson bitches for 20 minutes straight about PARTHOK ringing against alliance then someone kindly points out he hopped over to ToP. It eventually turns into him bitching about FA owning too much land and Nonneck say he will ring against alliance if we do not cut down our land. Nickmunson then says he will too, after 20 minutes of bitching about ringing against alliance he abandons his whole "ringing against alliance is the single most important alliance rule" Then of course we see Nonneck ring against Murphy's after FA Drops below 1% and murphys doesn't have even half as many districts as Cap. I just feel Cap was not only not helping the alliance but outright going against it w/ the whole Nonneck ringing thing not to say they weren't evr helpful I know munson did ring for murphys and once or twice killed enemy OB support for FA. I misunderstood you when you said never beaten anyone I took it to mean individual battles not wars as a whole and while I obviously have bias and would disagree I can see why you'd say that. No-showing may not be the most honorable thing and often wrong it does help save morale for example we no-showed against ERA the weekend after locking because we could not possibly beat them with our line up and went on to smash them with a great team over the next 5 days straight. Well it's unfortunate we could not get along with each other and both corps had been a bit too aggressive towards each other. Entirely serperate to most of the argument, I have no say in any of what y'all are talking about, but I couldn't help but stop to point out that when FA was giving away districts, there were multiple occurrences of trolling small corps by making them waste 50 mill on a district just to place a large attack on it the same day and flip it back, TPF being one of them while I was still there, which might have had something to do with the lack of enthusiasm in terms of corps trying to get in on it. A. No we were not trolling small corps we have no control over who attacks them after they were given B. You earn 20 million per win so if they were given full hubs (90% of districts are hubs) they would have made ISK out of the deal. A. Devin gave the district, Devin placed the attack. B. You removed all the clones, not noshowed, no money was made only money lost. Just because you didn't know about it doesn't mean it didn't happen... Titans of Phoenix > Director > WE DA BUUUUSSSS!
Poncho Polous Titans of Phoenix 719	Posted - 2015.01.02 20:11:00 - [3] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: I highly doubt that happened and it isn't all that unlikely that one director gave the district and another director launched on the district it's happened before and usually results in a no-show like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_D0nJt1HpaM. I am almost certain we hit a TPF district and no-showed though my memory is vague as it happened 3+ months ago. You are correct, I was a little off, the attack on the same day got noshowed when the timer got stacked on FA's side, it was the next attack that flipped it. So only 30 of the 50 mil was lost. I mean the numbers are miniscule, it's really the principle of it that bothered me at the time. That being said, I was obviously in communication with Devin when I received the district, and he told me nothing more than he changed his mind and took it back. I was off by a few days for how long it took to take it back, but the point remains the same: offering districts to small corps and snatching them back, giving no explanation and cutting communication doesn't play well when trying to get small corps to look to you for support. Most of the players in FA I actually like, and don't associate the actions of one person on the rest, but I can't act as if FA was a do-no-evil community savior. Titans of Phoenix > Director > WE DA BUUUUSSSS!
Poncho Polous Titans of Phoenix 719	Posted - 2015.01.02 20:18:00 - [4] - Quote Shepherd Grey wrote: Ben, I do appreciate the honesty and validation. However, just a few morals to the story, now that we agree on some points. Shortened for space I just wanted to chime in and say I approve of this attitude. Titans of Phoenix > Director > WE DA BUUUUSSSS!
Poncho Polous Titans of Phoenix 719	Posted - 2015.01.03 00:16:00 - [5] - Quote CUSE TOWN333 wrote: lol are you aware that devin wasn't giveing small corps districts but in fact selling them the districts for sums of isk. This was during FA's 'all for the community' phase, in which they advertised that they were giving away free districts. Then, speaking to Devin, got the same word from him, he was giving away free districts. If you want to call bullshit on them, feel free, but that really only reinforces my notion that they were not unable to give districts to small corps because no-one wanted them, they were unable to give districts to small corps because they were either flat out taking them back or farming weak corps for easy wins. Titans of Phoenix > Director > WE DA BUUUUSSSS!
Poncho Polous Titans of Phoenix 719	Posted - 2015.01.03 03:00:00 - [6] - Quote Texas Killionaire wrote: Feedback369 wrote: Lol giving away districts thats a horrible thing to do to corps new to pc unless they can take and districts on their own your just setting them up for an Ass Kicking.Getting districts aint hard infact i started PC in a small corp called "The Third Day" we with some help from more experienced PC players took over a whole planet and kept it ourselves till the Real World caused us to stop playing Dust. Yeah... Why not hv an 'advanced gear only' PC (suits and weapons) for the guys getting th districts. They need a taste of the a$$ whooping they'll get in PC. I'm not saying the newer corp will lose but they should get an idea of what's going on. My first PC was in the OH STB war... The only proto gear I had were shields... In a sense I agree with you. If this game still had the necessary structure, that would be fine and well. I just don't see this community as being big enough any more. The gap between top players and new players only grows wider with each passing day, so while you may have been able to work up with the third day (they were cool btw, didn't someone start reviving them recently?) recruiting players and training them, consider that these new players were playing in a time when the top SP players had what 20-40M SP? now we've got players with more than double that, the pool of fresh talent is beyond miniscule, and lastly there's not enough corps in a lower bracket of competition anymore. You used to be able to fight moderately difficult battles increasing until you felt ready to fight the top dogs. That isn't there any more, so without people helping new corps get on the map to train vs eachother, their only option is to get a district and what, attack entire alliance teams by themselves? None of the options in front of us are truly ideal, I think, for PC at its finest, but given the tools we have to work with I'd say a combined community effort to get and train new corps on the map is the best course of action to keep some fun going in a game we would all love to say is doing better than it is. Titans of Phoenix > Director > WE DA BUUUUSSSS!
Poncho Polous Titans of Phoenix 719	Posted - 2015.01.03 06:10:00 - [7] - Quote Texas Killionaire wrote: Corps don't need you to instantly decide what's right or wrong for them. Why should they trust you to know what's best for them? Because you were in a failed corp and now the second in command in a start up? GD pop up... When did I say any single thing about making any decisions for any other corps? I said I think to get better PCs as a whole, putting more people in it only makes sense. You've been out of the loop for a very long time tex, you're reputation as a player is an average at best player who is 'that guy' for CA. Every corp has to have one, Roman had 8213, a lot of people would say we have SoTa. We've put 13 corps on the map in less than a couple weeks, which is something many corps just couldn't seem to figure out how to do despite how much they loved to say they were helping. My character is not in question, and you're certainly in no position to be questioning it. I can go back over all the arguments that were made when you were certain that us changing names made us' failures' and even though were capable of putting a beat-down on the battlefield, it didn't matter because we would be over in 30 days anyways but 30 days has long come and gone, and were still here, doing a lot more to try and solve the same ''only the same corps in PC'' problem that you've been unable to do anything but complain about. Now how about fixing that attitude problem like I told you before? Titans of Phoenix > Director > WE DA BUUUUSSSS!
Poncho Polous Titans of Phoenix 719	Posted - 2015.01.03 06:19:00 - [8] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: 15-20 mil is all you need to max 1 role everything after that just helps a second role and CCP has worked to make it so people have to specialize more (Bandwidth) Hell I've see great players do well in competitive PC's in ADV gear. In a one on one situation I agree, but being able to micromanage a team of players who can all do everything makes it hard to deny you're at an advantage. Often I can bring a full squad of players who are all excellent ADSs, but use them as infrantry. Having the option to say OK I need 3 ADSs to bumrush a rooftop and clear all uplinks, place you're own, then hop down and keep slaying is monumental. The team without that option has to OB or try to send their far fewer pilots to get past potential AV or w.e.... theres a million scenario's where the higher multi-role team just has an undeniable advantage. Work that into their VASTLY greater experience in PC matches, knowledge of maps etc.. Lets not forget that at 15-20M SP, I'm pretty sure maxing out my dropsuit upgrades tree alone took more than that (have to double check but you get the point) and they have to spread across weapons, weapon upgrades, dropsuits and the rest of it. At that point my ADV gear will be beating their semi-specialized proto suits lol. Also for PC's I've only felt hurt by the bandwidth when I'm in a heavy. Between my commando/scout/logi/assault they all have enough bandwidth to be pretty effective as do-all suits. Titans of Phoenix > Director > WE DA BUUUUSSSS!
Poncho Polous Titans of Phoenix 719	Posted - 2015.01.04 00:19:00 - [9] - Quote Texas Killionaire wrote: I don't care what someone like you thinks. In my experience the more someone explains how good of a person they are, the less you should trust them. I never said ToP was going to fail. I said that I hoped it wouldn't. I didn't want to see a bunch of players that I know and like be a part of a "fotm" corp. it didn't happen and I think that's great. You can try to make me look however you want. The people that know me, know me. im going to stop trolling you for a while because I honestly don't want to hurt your feelings anymore. Oh my, you MUST think quite highly of yourself. As if my feelings would be hurt by a sht-poster with no say in his own corp. Titans of Phoenix > Director > WE DA BUUUUSSSS!
Poncho Polous Titans of Phoenix 719	Posted - 2015.01.04 00:46:00 - [10] - Quote el OPERATOR wrote: Poncho Polous wrote: Texas Killionaire wrote: I don't care what someone like you thinks. In my experience the more someone explains how good of a person they are, the less you should trust them. I never said ToP was going to fail. I said that I hoped it wouldn't. I didn't want to see a bunch of players that I know and like be a part of a "fotm" corp. it didn't happen and I think that's great. You can try to make me look however you want. The people that know me, know me. im going to stop trolling you for a while because I honestly don't want to hurt your feelings anymore. Oh my, you MUST think quite highly of yourself. As if my feelings would be hurt by a sht-poster with no say in his own corp. Wrong. The rest I'll let you two iron out, but that part is incorrect. Is that why he gets told to pipe down by his leadership? He's not discontinuing his trolling of his own free will. Titans of Phoenix > Director > WE DA BUUUUSSSS!

Poncho Polous Titans of Phoenix 719	Posted - 2015.01.04 01:21:00 - [11] - Quote poison Diego wrote: Kain Spero wrote: Ace Boone wrote: Kain Spero wrote: Ancient Exiles and Nyain San are still kicking (twitching?). Oh no, you have unveiled the Grand conspiracy! Don't you have a late night timer you need to hide behind? All of CA's players are on at that time. People constantly complain about corps not fielding 16, well CA fields 16, just at our primetime. Funny when people try to levy the same complaint at NS though right? Although, if NS is truly inactive you think they would reduce their holdings FA style. mmmmm naahhhhh, I dont think that will ever happen. They like to appear number 1. They may not care much for isk since they've got tons but they do like appearing number 1 in every aspect. Theyr two completely seperate arguments. CA will field a team. They'r one of the only corps to date who still brings full CA teams on a regular basis, and the timers aren't that bad. NS has the worst timers, but that's irrelevant, they are bad because they can hardly field a SQUAD of players during their 'primetime'. It's a corp who has done nothing but farm for their entire career. Even worse is after you alarm clock to beat them and the best ringers they can put together, over and over, they spam hatemails and accuse people of being cheaters. It's really sad, especially since the hatemails and accusations only come in losses, and usually from their leadership. This is not the attitude that CA carries, and as such, is the reason that argument cant be made against them. Titans of Phoenix > Director > WE DA BUUUUSSSS!
Poncho Polous Titans of Phoenix 719	Posted - 2015.01.04 01:33:00 - [12] - Quote el OPERATOR wrote: Poncho Polous wrote: el OPERATOR wrote: Wrong. The rest I'll let you two iron out, but that part is incorrect. Is that why he gets told to pipe down by his leadership? You want something done in CA, you talk to Shep, anything else is secondary. If Tex's opinion made a difference, CA would be at war with me right now. When Tex stops trolling, it's cause Shep told him to stop trolling. Texas IS leadership. His opinion is weighed in as such. Whether it correlates to action or the timing of action really depends on its correlation to the good of the corp as whole, as ALL of us in leadership mutually define it at the time. Haha yeah, his opinion suuure is valued, it just doesn't correlate with anything CA does. Some shot caller. I'm aware that you allow him to call himself a 'leader' I guess the correct word was when his BOSS tell him to pipe down. When i talk to Shep, and Shep tells him to stop trolling, and then moments later he comes and posts about stopping trolling, it's pretty easy to see what that 'opinion' is worth. And ayyyyye, I finally found out why Tex has been so butthurt about me in the process, doesn't like that I rang for Pradox in that one battle a year ago lmfao. Now please, let this convo die out before Tex's attitude gets any worse. Respect that is gained from fielding a full team, not noshowing etc, is lost on trollish shtposters. Titans of Phoenix > Director > WE DA BUUUUSSSS!
Poncho Polous Titans of Phoenix 719	Posted - 2015.01.04 02:03:00 - [13] - Quote el OPERATOR wrote: So, QQShep before the trollspears hit the heart? I wasn't curious but thats good to know. As you may be interested in knowing that ToP was kept from being overwhelmingly massattacked early on by Roman/Tsos by virtue of CA leadership in Tsos leadership channels saying, "No". So after having all of your points about Tex being one of the big boys in CA get decimated, the only thing you've got for me is a generic QQ? CA didn't join the battles. Roman and TSOs still spammed attacks on us to kill us. so I guess that 'opinion' didn't mean much there either. Titans of Phoenix > Director > WE DA BUUUUSSSS!
Poncho Polous Titans of Phoenix 728	Posted - 2015.01.04 18:56:00 - [14] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: Dust User wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: Dust User wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: i feel like If i put 16 Cap guys together I could make one of the best teams ever. Yes, because your track record with doing this is stellar. I see 0 fails in your corp history. Let's see... ZionTCD - yea, not competitive or even close. IE - would ** KEQ on a bad day. Imps - would em slightly less harder then IE TP - It wouldn't even be **, you'd just accept it. MHPD - I still wish I could forget this ERA - Basically TP and NF merged HvLP - <3 Fanfest killed many. Tons of anime corp names - I couldn't find one I liked, lol ToP - Have we fought KEQ yet? Yup, I see 0 fails too. MHPD would be the biggest since it was a bunch of Vet talent that went absolutely no-where. HvLP was killed by Fanfest and not by any player means. TBF I took a few key players from HvLP to ff14 with me on ps4, which is far better than dust. Oh this was like the day after fanfest. You guys are getting all worked up for a game if anything will be on PC so none of this even matters anymore. The only thing good is the forums, hell let 1 corp control 100% then ccp might decide to fix pc. You sound eerily like Kain Spero. Titans of Phoenix > Director > WE DA BUUUUSSSS!
Poncho Polous Titans of Phoenix 728	Posted - 2015.01.04 19:09:00 - [15] - Quote Derrith Eredor wrote: HEY!!! I TOLD YOU YOURE SILLY!!!! Oh god, it's an abomination. Kill it with fire. Titans of Phoenix > Director > WE DA BUUUUSSSS!