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Daddrobit
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Posted - 2014.12.30 22:00:00 -
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ACT1ON BASTARD wrote:Not every Muslim is a terrorist, but every terrorist is Muslim.
******* wrong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism
And there's plenty of Hindu, Jewish, and every other belief system extremists in the world as well.
Hell, there are extremist Buddhist sects out there.
The only religion I think that actually exists without religious extremists committing terrible acts of inhumanity are the Pastafarians under the guidance of the FSM.
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Daddrobit
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Posted - 2014.12.30 22:23:00 -
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ACT1ON BASTARD wrote:Daddrobit wrote:ACT1ON BASTARD wrote:Not every Muslim is a terrorist, but every terrorist is Muslim. ******* wrong. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorismAnd there's plenty of Hindu, Jewish, and every other belief system extremists in the world as well. Hell, there are extremist Buddhist sects out there. The only religion I think that actually exists without religious extremists committing terrible acts of inhumanity are the Pastafarians under the guidance of the FSM. I don't care what the nut wrote on wiki . If you're talking about Zionists, not sure if you are, but there are Jewish sects fighting Zionists everyday, something Islam needs.Here's a link for all you kiddies who sympathize with Islam, http://www.bestgore.com/category/iran/
I'm not sympathizing with any extremists of any sect, what I'm doing is going against a broad stroke of fear mongering and hate speech against a single entity.
"All the bad stuff happening is because of these people, everyone hate them" is the train of thought that leads to **** like the Rwandan Massacre and the Holocaust.
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Daddrobit
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Posted - 2014.12.30 22:45:00 -
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ACT1ON BASTARD wrote:Daddrobit wrote:ACT1ON BASTARD wrote:Daddrobit wrote:ACT1ON BASTARD wrote:Not every Muslim is a terrorist, but every terrorist is Muslim. ******* wrong. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorismAnd there's plenty of Hindu, Jewish, and every other belief system extremists in the world as well. Hell, there are extremist Buddhist sects out there. The only religion I think that actually exists without religious extremists committing terrible acts of inhumanity are the Pastafarians under the guidance of the FSM. I don't care what the nut wrote on wiki . If you're talking about Zionists, not sure if you are, but there are Jewish sects fighting Zionists everyday, something Islam needs.Here's a link for all you kiddies who sympathize with Islam, http://www.bestgore.com/category/iran/ I'm not sympathizing with any extremists of any sect, what I'm doing is going against a broad stroke of fear mongering and hate speech against a single entity. "All the bad stuff happening is because of these people, everyone hate them" is the train of thought that leads to **** like the Rwandan Massacre and the Holocaust. I know not all Muslims are terrorists, but if you had the chance to nuke Germany to stop ****** would you do it? Loaded question but nonetheless its a good question.
:/ At least you admitted it was loaded.
But no, Germany between 1919 and 1936 was already in shambles, nuking an already defeated people, and wiping them of the map to kill a single man and -possibly- stop WW2 is not an option. Pre-emptive strikes are not ethically arguable, especially when you're talking in terms of killing 67-ish million people.
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Daddrobit
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Posted - 2014.12.30 23:15:00 -
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ACT1ON BASTARD wrote:@Daddrobit I can see how that can be interpreted, but why not nuke Germany for carrying out genocide against Jews. We nuked Japan for Pearl Harbor. Anyways now we have drones and precision strikes, much more efficient.
Two moderately sized towns in Japan were nuked, not the entire country. And the Japanese may not have killed as many as the German machine, but in terms of brutality the Japanese win hand over foot. The R.ape of Nanking and Unit 731s experiments on living humans and their biological warfare they make todays Islamic extremists look like cuddly carebears.
Not only that, but the two nukes were used years into the war after their atrocities, not preemptively.
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Daddrobit
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Posted - 2014.12.31 00:10:00 -
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el OPERATOR wrote:
Bear in mind also that those were also Hydrogen Atom Bombs, not contemporary nukes. Atom Bombs -> Nukes = Firecrakers -> Dynamite sticks. Waaaay higher yield/destruction potential.
Got that backwards mate, a nuke is simply a weapon that uses nuclear fission (and fusion for H-bombs) to create a massive blast releasing large amounts of radiation. The difference is not hydrogen vs nuke, it's hydrogen (fission/fusion reaction) vs atomic (fission only reaction). And Hydrogen>Atomic. Fat Man and Little Boy were atomic weapons. Hydrogen bombs weren't invented by Edward Teller until 6 years after the end of WW2.
ACT1ON BASTARD wrote:I agree but the current threat to America is Islam. I wouldn't call it preemptive because were already being attacked, although we call them lonewolf attacks when they're obviously not. They all come from Muslims who interpret the quran literally.
Not to downplay the disaster of 9/11, but really, how threatening are they to everyday life in America?
Around a bit over 3,000 people have died on American soil due to Islamic extremists. Let me put that into perspective.
Around 300,000 people died immediately in the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. America would have to suffer 99 -more- 9/11s just to compare to what we did to Japan over a few days.
In America, according to the NHTSA report on 2013, over 32,000 people died from car accidents. We suffer nearly 11 9/11 accidents every year just from killing ourselves behind the wheel. You would only have to take the combined kills of 2005-2013 to nearly match the destruction caused in Japan at roughly 297,000 deaths. We suffer a 9/11 attack nearly every month from cars.
In America, according to the NVSR (Vol. 61, #4, page 5) as of 2010, we suffer nearly 600,000 deaths every year from heart attacks alone. It's like every six months we suffer the same nuclear attack on Japan. We suffer a 9/11 of heart attacks every two days.
Is the senseless killing of others through extremest attacks horrible and tragic? Yes. But in the grand scheme of things it is by no means something worthy causing and -perpetuating- broad hate speech against that initial entity and especially not the nuking of it.
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Daddrobit
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Posted - 2014.12.31 07:42:00 -
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Void Echo wrote: I will never consider their religion as equal to my own, especially since their holy book calls for the enslavement or complete annihilation of anyone who refuses to convert to islam.
until then, they are not equal to me in terms of religion.
Christianity mate? Check your glass house because Christianity definitely calls for plenty of violence in it's verses as well.
Kill homosexuals, kill the witches, kill women if they aren't virgins, kill individuals that are nonbelievers, slaughter entire towns if they aren't Christian, and make sure to kill folks if they work on Sunday even if they are followers.
And no, Jesus did not abolish the old testament, there's a reason for it being there:
Matthew 5:17-18. Do not think that I came to abolish the aLaw or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke of the pen shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
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Daddrobit
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Posted - 2015.01.01 05:07:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:Daddrobit wrote:Void Echo wrote: I will never consider their religion as equal to my own, especially since their holy book calls for the enslavement or complete annihilation of anyone who refuses to convert to islam.
until then, they are not equal to me in terms of religion. Christianity mate? Check your glass house because Christianity definitely calls for plenty of violence in it's verses as well. Kill homosexuals, kill the witches, kill women if they aren't virgins, kill individuals that are nonbelievers, slaughter entire towns if they aren't Christian, and make sure to kill folks if they work on Sunday even if they are followers. And no, Jesus did not abolish the old testament, there's a reason for it being there: Matthew 5:17-18. Do not think that I came to abolish the aLaw or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke of the pen shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Aow me to explain further. I am a full fledged Christian, the faith itself is called Christianity, and there are many different methods of practicing this faith that are called religions. I subscribe to no church, I study the bible and reject what man has said. Dont talk to me about my faiths history when you yourself judge it by yhe actions of those who used it for power in the ancient times.
So let me get this straight, it's ok for you to condemn an entire group of people as a lesser people for the acts of a tiny fraction of a percent that commit those horrible acts, but god forbid someone dare call your religion out in its own?
Also I hate to break it to a couple of you folks, but the USA was most certainly -not- founded as a Christian nation.
Not only is it stated in the constitution under article VI that "The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States"
But it's also written in the treaty of Tripoli written in 1796 (George Washington was still in office for reference to how young the nation was at that time if you're not familiar with our historical dates.) It stated that "the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion." This treaty was signed in by John Adams who would later go on to become president.
(It's mildly ironic to note here that this was a treaty between the US and the Muslim government sanctioned pirates of the Mediterranean sea.)
Also take a look at our national motto of the time from the USAs conception up until the mid-1950s. E Pluribus Unum. "One from many." It means that though we are a nation of many people, origins, races, and beliefs, we stand together as a single nation. We are not a single religion based people, we are a community of all people.
That motto was not changed for nearly 175 years until the red scare of the 50s drove the USA to oppose the communists in every manner possible. That meant that to oppose the 'godless commies' the US would find themselves being forced to becoming a religious country to counter them.
In God We Trust was mandated as our motto in 1956, less than 60 years ago. You can probably go up to your very own grandparents and ask them and they'll probably remember reciting the pledge of allegiance in class without ever uttering the words 'under god' because it wasn't there.
The only reason the USA is considered a "Christian nation" is because people were scared in the 50s...
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Daddrobit
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Posted - 2015.01.01 07:52:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:
When did I ever say that this was a purely Christian nation? Id anything it has fallen into moral decay because of the recent pc war on Christianity.
I would like to point out that lately atheists and religion haters have come to demonize Christianity because of how we retaliated against the Muslim invasion a thousand years ago. How is that fair?
First I never said that -you- said it was a Christian nation, I said it to the others that had mentioned it in the thread.
Second, war on Christianity? It's time to turn off Fox 'news'. If you think this thread where pretty much all that's been said against Christians (and haters in general) is that y'all need to stop hatin' all of Islam for the actions of a tiny minority, is a branch of that 'War on Christianity, then you need a reality check. I didn't realize that asking for folks to treat each other like equals was considered an attack on Christianity.
Oh, and you don't like it when folks blame your entire religious entity for actions you didn't commit? That's irony.
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Posted - 2015.01.01 09:44:00 -
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ACT1ON BASTARD wrote:Daddrobit wrote:Void Echo wrote:
When did I ever say that this was a purely Christian nation? Id anything it has fallen into moral decay because of the recent pc war on Christianity.
I would like to point out that lately atheists and religion haters have come to demonize Christianity because of how we retaliated against the Muslim invasion a thousand years ago. How is that fair?
First I never said that -you- said it was a Christian nation, I said it to the others that had mentioned it in the thread. Second, war on Christianity? It's time to turn off Fox 'news'. If you think this thread where pretty much all that's been said against Christians (and haters in general) is that y'all need to stop hatin' all of Islam for the actions of a tiny minority, is a branch of that 'War on Christianity, then you need a reality check. I didn't realize that asking for folks to treat each other like equals was considered an attack on Christianity. Oh, and you don't like it when folks blame your entire religious entity for actions you didn't commit? That's irony. The tiny minority's killing anyone who doesn't convert to Islam Daddrobit. If thats not a war on Christianity than what is? Your naivity is disturbing Daddrobit .
Do not confuse my compassion for the common man for naivety.
But what would you have the govt. do to these people? Put them on a registry? Maybe we can call for a boycott against any business owned by Muslims? Maybe round them all up before they can possibly cause harm? Throw them all in 'rehabilitation centers'? Oh, and maybe we can show some benevolence and give them little motivational quips here and there around the camps, maybe something like "Work will set you free"?
/sarcasm
It is not naive to show compassion for those that you do not know. However it is -extremely- childish to simply default to hatred against 1.5 billion people for the actions of a few.
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Posted - 2015.01.01 10:44:00 -
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ACT1ON BASTARD wrote:Daddrobit wrote:ACT1ON BASTARD wrote:Daddrobit wrote:Void Echo wrote:
When did I ever say that this was a purely Christian nation? Id anything it has fallen into moral decay because of the recent pc war on Christianity.
I would like to point out that lately atheists and religion haters have come to demonize Christianity because of how we retaliated against the Muslim invasion a thousand years ago. How is that fair?
First I never said that -you- said it was a Christian nation, I said it to the others that had mentioned it in the thread. Second, war on Christianity? It's time to turn off Fox 'news'. If you think this thread where pretty much all that's been said against Christians (and haters in general) is that y'all need to stop hatin' all of Islam for the actions of a tiny minority, is a branch of that 'War on Christianity, then you need a reality check. I didn't realize that asking for folks to treat each other like equals was considered an attack on Christianity. Oh, and you don't like it when folks blame your entire religious entity for actions you didn't commit? That's irony. The tiny minority's killing anyone who doesn't convert to Islam Daddrobit. If thats not a war on Christianity than what is? Your naivity is disturbing Daddrobit . Do not confuse my compassion for the common man for naivety. But what would you have the govt. do to these people? Put them on a registry? Maybe we can call for a boycott against any business owned by Muslims? Maybe round them all up before they can possibly cause harm? Throw them all in 'rehabilitation centers'? Oh, and maybe we can show some benevolence and give them little motivational quips here and there around the camps, maybe something like "Work will set you free"? /sarcasm It is not naive to show compassion for those that you do not know. However it is -extremely- childish to simply default to hatred against 1.5 billion people for the actions of a few. You can say that with any war. There have always been casualties, sorry but that's just how it is. Muslim terrorists actively attack American civilians, why not preach to them? Do you think we would of won WW2 with that attitude, second guessing everything out of fear of not being morally whatever.It's not hatred its reason.
Hating 1,500,000,000 people (literally a quarter of the worlds population) for an attack that took place almost a decade and a half ago perpetrated by a small group of people who are nearly all, if not all are dead is -way- far outside the realm of reason. This is not WWII or WWIII and the US did not suffer a mass invasion.
The Axis powers of WWII had killed literally millions of innocent lives by the time the US was shoehorned into the war.
Although the extremist forces in the middle east do account for about 80% of the civilian losses, US forces have killed greater than 10 times the number of civilians lost in 9/11 themselves. By the end of the first year in Afghanistan, the US had already topped that number with an estimated 3100-3600 civilian lives.
In Iraq, the civilian casualties since the US invasion total over 100 thousand.
This is not fair to those people, they did not plan the attacks, they had nothing to do with it outside of the misfortune of sharing the same religion and birthplace.
This is not just, and this is most certainly not a 'reasonable' war.
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Daddrobit
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Posted - 2015.01.01 11:15:00 -
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ACT1ON BASTARD wrote:
Then why don't we see Muslim groups holding protests against extremists within their religion. Maybe the extremists aren't such a small minority as you'd like to think.
Protests in Germany last October
Protests in Europe last September
Protests in America last August
They are protesting the violence, they're protesting it all over the world.
However it's kind of hard for them to protest in their own states when there's the threat of being targeted by the extremists living next door, or the US and allied forces that don't allow civilians to gather in large numbers because they fear it might be an attack in disguise.
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Daddrobit
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Posted - 2015.01.01 12:02:00 -
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ACT1ON BASTARD wrote:@ Daddrobit I'm aware of those protests, but that's sort of my point as who's the minority and who's not and who's allowed to protest and who's not.
Let's look at some statistics then.
There are about 60 million folks between Iraq and Afghanistan, the two hottest zones for terrorist groups. Assuming that they are all terrorists, then then roughly 4% of Muslims are terrorists. But that's way far off from the truth. We can narrow this down a fair bit more.
Statistics show that the average terrorist is between their late teens and early twenties. Between the two countries, that's 13.4 million folks we can assume are terrorists. So .89% of Muslims. But we can go further.
It's also shown that only roughly 1 in 50 attacks are from women, so let's knock that number into the equation. That leaves us with 6.8 million people who can be assumed are terrorists. So .45% of the Muslim population might be considered terrorists simply based of of location, sex, and age.
And I can guarantee you that's a high estimate considering it assumes that 98% of all men in Iraq and Afghanistan between the ages of 15-24 are terrorists which they simply are not.
You are literally condemning an entire population of people for an extremely liberal estimation that less than one half one one percent are dangerous, usually only to themselves...
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Daddrobit
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Posted - 2015.01.01 21:08:00 -
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You wonder why it seems like a majority of violent actions are caused by the Muslim population of the middle east? Maybe it's because the US has occupied that area with troops for the last 14 years and have been killing innocent people there the entire time?
There is an entire generation of people over there right now that literally doesn't know any other life than one where your home has been occupied by foreign military. A foreign military that kills innocent civilians without notice even if they're just within proximity to someone who might be an extremist. These kids live with their parents 'accidentally' being killed when they're five. With their best friends 'accidentally' being killed when they're ten. With their innocent preacher being 'accidentally' killed when they're fifteen. They're only statistics to everyone in the world but them.
You wonder why they hold such animosity towards others, but the reality is is that whatever little 'War on Christianity" there is, -pales- in comparison to the very literal war that the Muslim people experience in their daily life. We could suffer a 9/11 attack every day until February and it still wouldn't amount to the number of innocents killed by US and allied troops since our invasion. But that's what these kids have lived with their entire life.
And now the survivors are all grown up and are between the ages of 14 and 20. Remember those statistics I posted earlier? If you think it's been bad before, unless the US backs out post-F'ing-haste, then we really are going to see the rage of an entire generation of people unleashed on us. Not fueled by Islam, but fueled by their pure hatred for the circumstance of death they had forced upon them their entire life.
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Posted - 2015.01.01 22:25:00 -
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Jacques Cayton II wrote:
Dude were you there? We had to have pii beforw we could even shoot at a motherfracker. The only way for an American soldier to fire at anyone was to be fired upon after the initial push into iraq and Afghanistan. You sir are ******* stupid. Do you know how much money the so called oppressed populace made from us? Fck we built Afghanistans roads and schools. You liberal ******* if i met you today and said this I'd kick your ass. Yea i pulled pranks on them they turned around and pulled pranks on us. There is a large hotbed of terrorism in Afghanistan we know where they are but we can't touch them until they strike first. Go back to college while are soldiers protect your pansie ass
Good for you, you've managed to avoid killing innocents, good job.
However if you've read everything I've posted here, I've already stated that 80% of the current Afgan civilian casualties are caused by the militants. More of the same in Iraq. But there -are- still innocents losing lives to drone strikes and collateral damage from US and allied forces. And though that number has been in decline since our first invasion, the fact still remains that innocents are still dying and there is an entire generation of people over there that known no other life than one where they're surrounded by foreign troops with the fear of accidentally becoming a collateral damage statistic.
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Daddrobit
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Posted - 2015.01.01 23:26:00 -
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KA24DERT wrote:KingBabar wrote:
Personally? I do not care much for religion at all, in my personal view it mostly just brings hate, violance and most importantly: ignorance. As should be very clear to all "normally bright" people reading this thread.
I actually have a graph of normally bright people who are on these forums:
0.o
I tend to keep mental notes of rational folks, but you actually, like, have a physical chart of people?
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Posted - 2015.01.03 00:49:00 -
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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:wow, turns out DUST 514 is full of disgusting racists and Islamophobes.
Also turns out Daddrobit is possessed of superheroic patience and not a little bit of masochism.
Couple years back I studied religion in college for fun, among them one being Buddhism. While I most certainly would not consider myself a devout Buddhist follower by any means, (I like material crap too much, though I did try meditation for a while) an overwhelming majority of what I read into the subject showed to be exceptionally useful when dealing with the subjects of compassion for self, others, and patience.
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