DUST Search - HMG balance

Thaddeus Reynolds wrote:

Breakin Stuff wrote:

Thaddeus Reynolds wrote:

Breakin Stuff wrote:

Thaddeus Reynolds wrote:

Give it a deployed state like the heavy bolster from space marine...making it less effective on the move. Heavies are supposed to be defensive suits...my .02 is worth

we've been over this before. If you can fit it as you wish, it fits whatever role you wish it to.

Then why do slayer logis get so much heat? (Not saying it's from you, but that the fit it for a roll thing doesn't seem to enter some of the community's mind)

Because it outperformed all of the other suits hands down. It's no longer a thing, and it's well known what caused it. It won't become a thing again, it's a tinfoil hat people like to trot out and bang on to look like they have a clue.

Ok, good to know people freaking out about my favorite suit could use some additional tinfoil. I still think that the HMG working more similar to the heavy bolter would be an overall positive change, but ok...heavies aren't exclusively defensive suits...make Assault HMGs the ones that fire while mobile then?

(I'm not in favor of disabling AA on one particular weapon, I think any changes to AA should be an all or nothing thing...that's the only reason I don't agree with your idea 100%)

EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.

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Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 6069	Posted - 2014.12.30 10:47:00 - [1] - Quote If the numbers show that the HMG is still overperforming, then for the next nerf simply disable aim assist. Should cause a SHARP drop in efficiency. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Jacques Cayton II Kaalmayoti Warzone Control 1317	Posted - 2014.12.30 14:37:00 - [2] - Quote Ive been think8ng about making the reticle getting alot smaller the more its fired. Forcing aim. But meh whateves We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
abdullah muzaffar G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 146	Posted - 2014.12.30 14:42:00 - [3] - Quote Removing AA from such a weapon will make it completely up against scout and assault strafers, try out the acr and hmg on m/kb(esp acr) so you can have an idea how much they rely on aa to do their role. I would prefer if there was a small spoolup time, as i feel sad for all the newbies that have no chance against my boundless. Edit: On a side note, ads and crouching should actually be made tactical and viable, and nerfe hipfire of all rifles(except ar), so that you would actually have to focus more on aiming than strafing.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 5614	Posted - 2014.12.30 14:57:00 - [4] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: Ive been think8ng about making the reticle getting alot smaller the more its fired. Forcing aim. But meh whateves If you don't have the dot in the center on target, then you only doing half damage or less. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 6071	Posted - 2014.12.30 15:55:00 - [5] - Quote abdullah muzaffar wrote: Removing AA from such a weapon will make it completely up against scout and assault strafers, This is the normal state of things for me. I run M/kb with raw input and have only recently began running an emulator to test how much difference the AA makes. The answer? A rediculously inordinate amount. I'd rather have a good gun and good aim than some aimbot handicap. I can aim, but I'm of the opinion that heavy weapons should never benefit from aim assist. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Thaddeus Reynolds Facepunch Security 137	Posted - 2014.12.30 16:43:00 - [6] - Quote Give it a deployed state like the heavy bolster from space marine...making it less effective on the move. Heavies are supposed to be defensive suits...my .02 is worth Khanid Logi and Tanker, sometimes AV Heavy or Sniper. I believe all these roles are support for front line soldiers.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 6074	Posted - 2014.12.30 16:55:00 - [7] - Quote Thaddeus Reynolds wrote: Give it a deployed state like the heavy bolster from space marine...making it less effective on the move. Heavies are supposed to be defensive suits...my .02 is worth we've been over this before. If you can fit it as you wish, it fits whatever role you wish it to. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Thaddeus Reynolds Facepunch Security 137	Posted - 2014.12.30 17:18:00 - [8] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Thaddeus Reynolds wrote: Give it a deployed state like the heavy bolster from space marine...making it less effective on the move. Heavies are supposed to be defensive suits...my .02 is worth we've been over this before. If you can fit it as you wish, it fits whatever role you wish it to. Then why do slayer logis get so much heat? (Not saying it's from you, but that the fit it for a roll thing doesn't seem to enter some of the community's mind) Khanid Logi and Tanker, sometimes AV Heavy or Sniper. I believe all these roles are support for front line soldiers.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 6077	Posted - 2014.12.30 17:26:00 - [9] - Quote Thaddeus Reynolds wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Thaddeus Reynolds wrote: Give it a deployed state like the heavy bolster from space marine...making it less effective on the move. Heavies are supposed to be defensive suits...my .02 is worth we've been over this before. If you can fit it as you wish, it fits whatever role you wish it to. Then why do slayer logis get so much heat? (Not saying it's from you, but that the fit it for a roll thing doesn't seem to enter some of the community's mind) Because it outperformed all of the other suits hands down. It's no longer a thing, and it's well known what caused it. It won't become a thing again, it's a tinfoil hat people like to trot out and bang on to look like they have a clue. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Thaddeus Reynolds Facepunch Security 137	Posted - 2014.12.30 17:51:00 - [10] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Thaddeus Reynolds wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Thaddeus Reynolds wrote: Give it a deployed state like the heavy bolster from space marine...making it less effective on the move. Heavies are supposed to be defensive suits...my .02 is worth we've been over this before. If you can fit it as you wish, it fits whatever role you wish it to. Then why do slayer logis get so much heat? (Not saying it's from you, but that the fit it for a roll thing doesn't seem to enter some of the community's mind) Because it outperformed all of the other suits hands down. It's no longer a thing, and it's well known what caused it. It won't become a thing again, it's a tinfoil hat people like to trot out and bang on to look like they have a clue. Ok, good to know people freaking out about my favorite suit could use some additional tinfoil. I still think that the HMG working more similar to the heavy bolter would be an overall positive change, but ok...heavies aren't exclusively defensive suits...make Assault HMGs the ones that fire while mobile then? (I'm not in favor of disabling AA on one particular weapon, I think any changes to AA should be an all or nothing thing...that's the only reason I don't agree with your idea 100%) Khanid Logi and Tanker, sometimes AV Heavy or Sniper. I believe all these roles are support for front line soldiers.

CPM Awox xXEspeon's VillageXx 40	Posted - 2014.12.30 17:54:00 - [11] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: If the numbers show that the HMG is still overperforming, then for the next nerf simply disable aim assist. Should cause a SHARP drop in efficiency. You could also put in the other heavy weapons so we're not so tightly tied to the HMG. Im a dedicated heavy and would love to spec into other weapons as well. Killed again has Super-Ebola.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 6080	Posted - 2014.12.30 18:01:00 - [12] - Quote Thaddeus Reynolds wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Thaddeus Reynolds wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Thaddeus Reynolds wrote: Give it a deployed state like the heavy bolster from space marine...making it less effective on the move. Heavies are supposed to be defensive suits...my .02 is worth we've been over this before. If you can fit it as you wish, it fits whatever role you wish it to. Then why do slayer logis get so much heat? (Not saying it's from you, but that the fit it for a roll thing doesn't seem to enter some of the community's mind) Because it outperformed all of the other suits hands down. It's no longer a thing, and it's well known what caused it. It won't become a thing again, it's a tinfoil hat people like to trot out and bang on to look like they have a clue. Ok, good to know people freaking out about my favorite suit could use some additional tinfoil. I still think that the HMG working more similar to the heavy bolter would be an overall positive change, but ok...heavies aren't exclusively defensive suits...make Assault HMGs the ones that fire while mobile then? (I'm not in favor of disabling AA on one particular weapon, I think any changes to AA should be an all or nothing thing...that's the only reason I don't agree with your idea 100%) Single shot alpha weapons are excluded from AA. I think that heavy weapons should not benefit from aim assist. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Atiim Titans of Phoenix 14732	Posted - 2014.12.30 18:18:00 - [13] - Quote abdullah muzaffar wrote: Removing AA from such a weapon will make it completely up against scout and assault strafers, try out the acr and hmg on m/kb(esp acr) so you can have an idea how much they rely on aa to do their role. You mean it'll make it UP for people who don't know how to actually aim? The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 6082	Posted - 2014.12.30 18:26:00 - [14] - Quote Atiim wrote: abdullah muzaffar wrote: Removing AA from such a weapon will make it completely up against scout and assault strafers, try out the acr and hmg on m/kb(esp acr) so you can have an idea how much they rely on aa to do their role. You mean it'll make it UP for people who don't know how to actually aim? Pretty much this. I'm ok with the HMG without AA. I'm much better with forge guns and mass drivers. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.


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