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Fizzer XCIV
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Posted - 2014.12.30 05:56:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Vicious Minotaur wrote:Pay-to-Win: An in-game arrangement system whereby one pays the game designer currency units in exchange for exclusive in-game items that give said paying customer a competitive edge over non-paying customers. In short, SP boosters LP boosters, AUR items, APEX suits, strong box keys.
Except all of those things can be obtained without paying.
Except LP Boosters, but really, has anyone ever even bought LP Boosters? I don't even know if that would be considered pay-to-win, though. You are essentially paying for in game currency. So is EVE pay-to-win then?
They do take an absurd amount of grinding to get, but its still techinically not pay-to-win.
The grinding needs to be cut down to a more manageable amount, IMO, though...
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Posted - 2014.12.30 16:21:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Pay-to-win is when you can gain a superior advantage which cannot be gained in any amount of time by non-paying users. Things that get you stuff faster or earlier than you otherwise would is not pay to win. Sure, we've established that, but it certainly isn't in the spirit of New Eden.
That because EVR is sub based, but Dust is F2P.
They need to make money somehow, and there isn't any real visual customization options yet.
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Posted - 2014.12.31 09:03:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:what is the premise of having it in the first place if for any reason other than to justify the existence of pay-for-items?
The NPE.
If every player that has PRO gear could run it all the time, it would massively increase the noob-vet disparity and devastate the NPE.
ISK payouts need to be balanced to prevent 24/7 protostomps.
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Posted - 2014.12.31 11:08:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Lynn Beck wrote:Back in Chromosome, the Codewish Duvolle did .3 damage more than a Isk Duvolle.
While this was barely even 1%, it was an advantage. An advantage that directly impacted the in-game flow, and was only obtainable through AUR.
As little advantage as that gave, it was enough.
Boosters are not Pay To Win, as SP does not directly win the fight. You can pick any fresh character and slay a 52m SP noob. Same with any Aur item ATM, as they don't effect battle in a direct way. Pair up a BPO user against a non-BPO user using similar gear. Give each 1,000,000 ISK and have them fight each other constantly, 1-v-1, until they run out of ISK. Who's going to run out faster?
Give 2 EVE players the the same fit with the same skills, and 2 Billion ISK, then have them 1v1 until they run out of ISK.
Give one of them a plex that they can sell. Which one will run out of ISK first?
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