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Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.12.28 21:54:00 -
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People always pull out min commando with Swarms instead of Cal Heavy with IAFG when fighting ADS
People always pull out min commando with Swarms instead of Cal Heavy with IADG when fighting Tanks
People always pull out min commando with Swarms instead of sitting in their tank and Tank v Tanking...
Where the FG at, or have they been replaced with super EZ mode Swarms?
I know- just waiting for Atiim and his sorry ass "swarms still UP" to show up.
BTW- this isn't a nerf/buff thread, this is what I observe.
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Bright Cloud
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
707
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Posted - 2014.12.28 21:59:00 -
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Forgeguns take skill swarms dont. And that is basically the answer for it. The common scrub does not want to try they just want to point and shot a swarm launcher. And i have a message for those scrubs:
Do not pray for easy lives, pray to be stronger mans.
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Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
1403
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Posted - 2014.12.28 22:04:00 -
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Bright Cloud wrote:Forgeguns take skill swarms dont. And that is basically the answer for it. The common scrub does not want to try they just want to point and shot a swarm launcher. And i have a message for those scrubs:
Do not pray for easy lives, pray to be stronger mans.
No, the fact is swarms also probably do more damage. Three swarms from a Min Commando can drop a Soma/ill-fitted Madruagar dead. That's just swarms alone from one person, excluding AV nades, Remotes, random turrets.
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Edau Skir2
Sebiestor Field Sappers
Minmatar Republic
214
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Posted - 2014.12.28 22:07:00 -
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Bright Cloud wrote:Forgeguns take skill swarms dont. And that is basically the answer for it. The common scrub does not want to try they just want to point and shot a swarm launcher. And i have a message for those scrubs:
Do not pray for easy lives, pray to be stronger mans.
Woohoo! I'm not a common scrub! I went Forge first, then realised it's much more fun shooting vehicles, especially ADS/DS, with a Plasma Cannon. Much more skill, gotta account for directional movement, and distance/arc vectors. My kind of fun!
Kind of irritating when you get a perfect shot off though, and the round sails right through the passenger hold....
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CrotchGrab 360
Yon Hyaku Nijuu Moyase
1793
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Posted - 2014.12.28 22:10:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:People always pull out min commando with Swarms instead of Cal Heavy with IAFG when fighting ADS
People always pull out min commando with Swarms instead of Cal Heavy with IADG when fighting Tanks
People always pull out min commando with Swarms instead of sitting in their tank and Tank v Tanking...
Where the FG at, or have they been replaced with super EZ mode Swarms?
I know- just waiting for Atiim and his sorry ass "swarms still UP" to show up.
BTW- this isn't a nerf/buff thread, this is what I observe.
Fg is just like having a big sign above your head saying SHOOT ME
it's ******* worthless and pointless, I hate being killed by ANYBODY whilst I have a 80K proto FG fit, what's the point, it's a waste of ISK.
at least with swarms you can still ******* move! at least with a commando you can actually fight back!
here's another reason, tanks can one shot me whilst I have to stand still and take so many seconds to charge up one out of many shots yet they can kill me with ONE shot,
forges and heavies are a waste of ISK.
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LAVALLOIS Nash
QcGOLD
381
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Posted - 2014.12.28 22:21:00 -
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Before the bandwidth change alot more lone players used to switch in and out of Forgegun fits, depending on the situation. Now though, even if you are a dedicated forge gunner, its much more difficult getting to a good vantage point and hoping for nanohive refills.
Double swarm commando though, has minor bandwidth, so some equipment can be maintained. It has less disadvantages and much more advantages. Instead of having to position and ambush tanks/ADS, you can just react to them. Go to supply depot, switch auto lock, boom boom boom, switch back to scout/assault/whatever.
I miss forge gunning a little and wish I didnt have to shelve it. But thats the case right now. Ill never use swarms, ever. So for now, only my PLC keeps vehicles at bay. |
Edau Skir2
Sebiestor Field Sappers
Minmatar Republic
215
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Posted - 2014.12.28 22:23:00 -
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CrotchGrab 360 wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:People always pull out min commando with Swarms instead of Cal Heavy with IAFG when fighting ADS
People always pull out min commando with Swarms instead of Cal Heavy with IADG when fighting Tanks
People always pull out min commando with Swarms instead of sitting in their tank and Tank v Tanking...
Where the FG at, or have they been replaced with super EZ mode Swarms?
I know- just waiting for Atiim and his sorry ass "swarms still UP" to show up.
BTW- this isn't a nerf/buff thread, this is what I observe. Fg is just like having a big sign above your head saying SHOOT ME it's ******* worthless and pointless, I hate being killed by ANYBODY whilst I have a 80K proto FG fit, what's the point, it's a waste of ISK. at least with swarms you can still ******* move! at least with a commando you can actually fight back! here's another reason, tanks can one shot me whilst I have to stand still and take so many seconds to charge up one out of many shots yet they can kill me with ONE shot, forges and heavies are a waste of ISK.
You only have to stand still with a Breach Forge. The rest you get some mobility, granted not a lot, but still some.
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Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
1403
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Posted - 2014.12.28 22:24:00 -
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LAVALLOIS Nash wrote:Before the bandwidth change alot more lone players used to switch in and out of Forgegun fits, depending on the situation. Now though, even if you are a dedicated forge gunner, its much more difficult getting to a good vantage point and hoping for nanohive refills.
Double swarm commando though, has minor bandwidth, so some equipment can be maintained. It has less disadvantages and much more advantages. Instead of having to position and ambush tanks/ADS, you can just react to them. Go to supply depot, switch auto lock, boom boom boom, switch back to scout/assault/whatever.
I miss forge gunning a little and wish I didnt have to shelve it. But thats the case right now. Ill never use swarms, ever. So for now, only my PLC keeps vehicles at bay.
Here's what I do, I have no SP in AV except the PLC, I put two remotes on the Tank, PLC him, AV nade him and then blow the remotes. =dead tank.
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Vrain Matari
Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
2434
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Posted - 2014.12.28 22:31:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:People always pull out min commando with Swarms instead of Cal Heavy with IAFG when fighting ADS
People always pull out min commando with Swarms instead of Cal Heavy with IADG when fighting Tanks
People always pull out min commando with Swarms instead of sitting in their tank and Tank v Tanking...
Where the FG at, or have they been replaced with super EZ mode Swarms?
I know- just waiting for Atiim and his sorry ass "swarms still UP" to show up.
BTW- this isn't a nerf/buff thread, this is what I observe.
Big reason is skillpoint cost: swarms work on all suit classes and peeps prolly have them trained up already.
Switching to forge AV means a big sentinel/heavy weapon sp investment. I'm guessing for a lot of peeps the commando/swarm combo is a placeholder suit.
Also, in our post bandwidth DUST, switching to sentinel means popping any deployed uplinks. What more important to the team, taking out that DS or retaining the spawn points? I think many peeps compromise by going commando AV.
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Henrietta Unknown
Kaalmayoti Warzone Control
674
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Posted - 2014.12.28 23:02:00 -
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Many above are correct. It's a number of factors: be it bandwidth preservation, more AI defensive capabilities, more DPS, or more mobility.
Sadly, a lack of balance. The n00b-friendly SL should put out less DPS than the SP-intensive and greater-risk FG. And adjust both to healthy stats as to give competent vehicle pilots a chance, while not completely nullifying AV damage like in 1.7.
Please buff my Magsex. It doesn't hit hard enough...
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Chimichanga66605
Vader's Taco Shack
270
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Posted - 2014.12.28 23:34:00 -
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I love my Min Commando/Swarm combo.
Its more of a personal love for guided missiles, I've used them in every FPS that have them.
It just so happens that my Commando does Swarms better than anything else so why wouldn't I run it?
If that makes me a Scrub then so be it, I've been called worse.
PS. Forges are BADASS & respect the **** outta FG operators.
Mk.0 Specialist, Republic Loyalist
"Badassery is not born, but often thrust upon you." -Franklin Delano Roosevelt
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LAVALLOIS Nash
QcGOLD
382
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Posted - 2014.12.28 23:49:00 -
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Edau Skir2 wrote:
You only have to stand still with a Breach Forge. The rest you get some mobility, granted not a lot, but still some.
Thats what I used to think. Until I realized that "jump" is the only movement you can do, and jump-strafing with a loaded breach can you give incredible mobility. Almost better than if you had to do by foot.
Anytime you have some free time, take out a breach FG fit and try it out!
Sir Dukey wrote:
Here's what I do, I have no SP in AV except the PLC, I put two remotes on the Tank, PLC him, AV nade him and then blow the remotes. =dead tank.
Yeah the PLC packs a nice unexpected sting, especially for a tanker that assumes you just have nades and remotes. |
Timtron Victory
Tech Guard
RISE of LEGION
127
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Posted - 2014.12.28 23:56:00 -
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Forge guns are definitely a lot of fun if you hit something but with strafing and removal of the splash damage from other variants except the assault, it isnt worth it. With poor hit detection I cant kill someone point blank with a breach scrambler pistol and have defaulted to a flaylock, whats more a weapon with zero splash damage that has a longer charge time than the rail rifle and shoots only one round per charge.
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Patrick57
I Have No Idea What I'm Doing
9502
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Posted - 2014.12.28 23:57:00 -
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I use swarms because I can fit them on a gal scout and be way faster than a fat heavy. Not to mention I can fit REs and a Nanohive or cloak, and get in range fast enough to throw my av nades.
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
6626
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Posted - 2014.12.29 00:40:00 -
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Choosing a sentinel with a forge gun leaves you vulnerable to infantry. Choosing a Commando with a Swarm Launcherplus an anti infantry weapon helps cover two fronts.
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abdullah muzaffar
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
143
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Posted - 2014.12.29 00:42:00 -
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Ummm. Does a min heavy count? I promise i only run dmg mods in the highs ;) |
Bright Cloud
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
709
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Posted - 2014.12.29 00:49:00 -
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Forgeguns outperform swarm launchers cause you can fire them 4 times and they have the same range like a large railgun so you can attack a vehicle much sooner then you can ever with swarms. Espacially rooftop denial to prevent hostile dropships from landing there you will need a forgegun cause once they are in swarm lock on range they will make it to the roof.
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Z3dog
BIG BAD W0LVES
91
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Posted - 2014.12.29 00:58:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:People always pull out min commando with Swarms instead of Cal Heavy with IAFG when fighting ADS
People always pull out min commando with Swarms instead of Cal Heavy with IADG when fighting Tanks
People always pull out min commando with Swarms instead of sitting in their tank and Tank v Tanking...
Where the FG at, or have they been replaced with super EZ mode Swarms?
I know- just waiting for Atiim and his sorry ass "swarms still UP" to show up.
BTW- this isn't a nerf/buff thread, this is what I observe.
I used to run a forge gun every time the enemy team was spamming vehicles until bandwidth.
Now if there's a blaster tank wrecking my teammates "wow, sucks for those guys".
They hardly ever bring out AV either. Just keep spawning and dying as the tank parks itself on an objective.
Dust 5/14
bandwidth lol
And totally not p2w haha
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Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
5271
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Posted - 2014.12.29 01:03:00 -
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Why is it always either Swarms or Forge?
What happened to my favorite Plasma Cannon, or AV nades? |
Zindorak
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
1443
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Posted - 2014.12.29 01:16:00 -
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Bright Cloud wrote:Forgeguns take skill swarms dont. And that is basically the answer for it. The common scrub does not want to try they just want to point and shot a swarm launcher. And i have a message for those scrubs:
Do not pray for easy lives, pray to be stronger mans.
Pretty much. Swarms are the most breaindead weapon in the game. Even more than the HMG
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