DUST Search - Bandwith needs fixing

Meee One wrote:

calvin b wrote:

I was running logi and I was trying to layout hives for my team. I was running proto hives and could not place more than 2. I do not understand this. One set was for healing and the other was for ammo. I do not want to spam, but in a close fight hives will be used up quick. I do not want to have to run out into a fight just to lay a hive to watch it burn up in a sec do to heavies. Did CCP really think this through? There is a lot of mouths to feed and I cant take care of everyone if I am limited to two hives. Please make it so logi's can do their jobs. I am fragile I do not have a lot to protect me for I run logi not slayer logi so having to run out into traffic to throw a hive every few seconds makes no since. I do run rep tool but I like variation.

Is this a glitch that needs to be fixed or is this the state of logi's now?

I'm sensing a liar trying to drum up sympathy.

Which logistics were you using?
Which tier?
What were the names of those hives?

ADV logistics has 24 BW

Wyrk triage uses 8
Ish gauged uses 4

That's 12 total.

Which leaves 12.
For 2 more equalling 4.

Even with the 6 of hybrids and the 8 of Wyrk triage that's only 14.
It still leaves 10,enough for 1 more hive of either type -or- 2 more pure ammo hives.

And in an 'under fire' scenario you've described a true logistics wouldn't drop ammo they would drop triage.

ITT fake logistics trying to bring equipment spam back.

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calvin b Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 2331	Posted - 2014.12.28 05:32:00 - [1] - Quote I was running logi and I was trying to layout hives for my team. I was running proto hives and could not place more than 2. I do not understand this. One set was for healing and the other was for ammo. I do not want to spam, but in a close fight hives will be used up quick. I do not want to have to run out into a fight just to lay a hive to watch it burn up in a sec do to heavies. Did CCP really think this through? There is a lot of mouths to feed and I cant take care of everyone if I am limited to two hives. Please make it so logi's can do their jobs. I am fragile I do not have a lot to protect me for I run logi not slayer logi so having to run out into traffic to throw a hive every few seconds makes no since. I do run rep tool but I like variation. Is this a glitch that needs to be fixed or is this the state of logi's now? Can the other voices in other peoples minds hear my voices in my head????
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 6617	Posted - 2014.12.28 05:34:00 - [2] - Quote Were you using a standard logi by any chance? Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
C-C-P Rithu Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 92	Posted - 2014.12.28 05:37:00 - [3] - Quote I once stated this, how about we give a bonus to bandwidth if the logi is using its own racial equipment? Can i get a tag like the DEVs?
calvin b Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 2331	Posted - 2014.12.28 05:52:00 - [4] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Were you using a standard logi by any chance? No advanced. Should it matter which you are using? I did not know there was a difference when it came to standard vs. proto. If so think you for bringing this to my attention. Can the other voices in other peoples minds hear my voices in my head????
Daddrobit You Can Call Me Daddy 1287	Posted - 2014.12.28 06:16:00 - [5] - Quote C-C-P Rithu wrote: I once stated this, how about we give a bonus to bandwidth if the logi is using its own racial equipment? Because **** Minmatar? O.G. Pink Fluffy Bunny
C-C-P Rithu Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 92	Posted - 2014.12.28 07:16:00 - [6] - Quote Daddrobit wrote: C-C-P Rithu wrote: I once stated this, how about we give a bonus to bandwidth if the logi is using its own racial equipment? Because **** Minmatar? Actually minmatar wont benefit from the bonus.Also bandwidth doesnt bother the repair tool Can i get a tag like the DEVs?
RKKR WarRavens Capital Punishment. 1062	Posted - 2014.12.28 10:11:00 - [7] - Quote I still wonder why everyone thought bandwidth was a good idea, it only fixes the spam (which could be fixed in better ways) and the difference between max bandwidth between tiers is ridiculous. Does a proto gun fire less bullets on a standard suit? No. As far as I know, equipment still has more CPU/PG usage with higher tiers just as guns, we can only deploy less of it due to bandwidth-crap if we are not using proto suits. It's also just another great way to ignore all the comments about high-ISK prices of equipment compared to it's usage and bandwith makes it even worse.
cris bleu Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 31	Posted - 2014.12.28 10:23:00 - [8] - Quote C-C-P Rithu wrote: Daddrobit wrote: C-C-P Rithu wrote: I once stated this, how about we give a bonus to bandwidth if the logi is using its own racial equipment? Because **** Minmatar? Actually minmatar wont benefit from the bonus.Also bandwidth doesnt bother the repair tool I believe that's what he meant. Your suggestion is OK,except that it would benefit only amarr and caldari. Minmatar, and Gal for that matter, get nothing. The extra bandwidth that A and C get already seeks to address the problem you're trying to fix.
C-C-P Rithu Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 97	Posted - 2014.12.28 10:27:00 - [9] - Quote cris bleu wrote: I believe that's what he meant. Your suggestion is OK,except that it would benefit only amarr and caldari. Minmatar, and Gal for that matter, get nothing. The extra bandwidth that A and C get already seeks to address the problem you're trying to fix. yeah, but amarr & caldari logis are the ones who get harmed due to bandwidth. Minmatar & gal are able to happily use their gear. Can i get a tag like the DEVs?
Nirwanda Vaughns 1141	Posted - 2014.12.28 10:39:00 - [10] - Quote C-C-P Rithu wrote: I once stated this, how about we give a bonus to bandwidth if the logi is using its own racial equipment? tbh i thought i read int he original dev post that that was what would happen. as it is though the bandwidth solution is a good idea done badly. its far too confusing for new player (and some old) tryign to figure out if the rep hive you drop will nuke the strategic uplink you've placed and so on. i think each equipment needs its own individual bandwidth listed under the suit which can be made racial. yeah it may seem slightly more complicated but if you had an amarr logi and following stats Drop Uplink Mb/ps - 10 Babnohive mb/ps - 6 explosive mb/ps - 6 then caldari could have drop uplink mb/ps - 6 nanohive mb/ps - 10 explosive mb/ps - 6 at least that way a logi knows he can drop X amount of uplinks, X amount of hives without worrying his next uplink or hive will nullify another somewhere else thats needed Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience proud C-II bpo owner

Nirwanda Vaughns 1142	Posted - 2014.12.28 11:03:00 - [11] - Quote C-C-P Rithu wrote: Daddrobit wrote: C-C-P Rithu wrote: I once stated this, how about we give a bonus to bandwidth if the logi is using its own racial equipment? Because **** Minmatar? Actually minmatar wont benefit from the bonus.Also bandwidth doesnt bother the repair tool perhaps +1 explosive carried per level as well as reduction to activation timer of REs/activation range of prox mines Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience proud C-II bpo owner
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1426	Posted - 2014.12.28 11:23:00 - [12] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: C-C-P Rithu wrote: I once stated this, how about we give a bonus to bandwidth if the logi is using its own racial equipment? tbh i thought i read int he original dev post that that was what would happen. as it is though the bandwidth solution is a good idea done badly. its far too confusing for new player (and some old) tryign to figure out if the rep hive you drop will nuke the strategic uplink you've placed and so on. i think each equipment needs its own individual bandwidth listed under the suit which can be made racial. yeah it may seem slightly more complicated but if you had an amarr logi and following stats Drop Uplink Mb/ps - 10 Babnohive mb/ps - 6 explosive mb/ps - 6 then caldari could have drop uplink mb/ps - 6 nanohive mb/ps - 10 explosive mb/ps - 6 at least that way a logi knows he can drop X amount of uplinks, X amount of hives without worrying his next uplink or hive will nullify another somewhere else thats needed You realize with those numbers that you could only put down 3 pieces of racially favored equipment and nothing else? The BW cost per equipment needs to go down not up. The base BW per equipment is 4; triage nanohives are 6. My recommendation is that to you keep the base value at 4, increase uplink value to 6 Mbps but institute a 50% cost reduction for uplinks to amarr Logi and 50% cost reduction to nanohives to cal Logi. "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero Skype: jaysyn.larrisen Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen
Clone D Grundstein Automation 1170	Posted - 2014.12.28 12:10:00 - [13] - Quote Raise the bandwidth cap for all logis, every race, std, adv and proto. ISK Trader channel: blitz
Nirwanda Vaughns 1142	Posted - 2014.12.28 12:36:00 - [14] - Quote Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: C-C-P Rithu wrote: I once stated this, how about we give a bonus to bandwidth if the logi is using its own racial equipment? tbh i thought i read int he original dev post that that was what would happen. as it is though the bandwidth solution is a good idea done badly. its far too confusing for new player (and some old) tryign to figure out if the rep hive you drop will nuke the strategic uplink you've placed and so on. i think each equipment needs its own individual bandwidth listed under the suit which can be made racial. yeah it may seem slightly more complicated but if you had an amarr logi and following stats Drop Uplink Mb/ps - 10 Babnohive mb/ps - 6 explosive mb/ps - 6 then caldari could have drop uplink mb/ps - 6 nanohive mb/ps - 10 explosive mb/ps - 6 at least that way a logi knows he can drop X amount of uplinks, X amount of hives without worrying his next uplink or hive will nullify another somewhere else thats needed You realize with those numbers that you could only put down 3 pieces of racially favored equipment and nothing else? The BW cost per equipment needs to go down not up. The base BW per equipment is 4; triage nanohives are 6. My recommendation is that to you keep the base value at 4, increase uplink value to 6 Mbps but institute a 50% cost reduction for uplinks to amarr Logi and 50% cost reduction to nanohives to cal Logi. yeah tbh i didn't go into any detail with the numbers. they're just for an example lol. hell it was like 9.30am and i'm halfway down a bottle of smirnoff pmsl (its xmas afterall) but y'kinda realize what i mean in that give each racial logi an increase to their racial deployable equipment and perhaps an addition bonus to gallente/minmatar logi. personally i'd liek to see the minmatar one i mentioned above (5% activation range of prox mines) and then for gallente +5 degree to scan arc of scanners for the gallente. it'd make scaners so much more usefull Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience proud C-II bpo owner
Operative 1174 Uuali The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 187	Posted - 2014.12.28 16:08:00 - [15] - Quote C-C-P Rithu wrote: I once stated this, how about we give a bonus to bandwidth if the logi is using its own racial equipment? Then everybody just uses Amarr for the links. NO! The same kind of thing happened when races had racial attribute bonuses in EVE. Everybody just rolled Caldari Achura. I'm better than laser focused; I'm hybrid focused.
Kaze Eyrou Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1177	Posted - 2014.12.28 16:12:00 - [16] - Quote What nanohives are you running? CB Vet // True Logi Bro // @KazeEyrou Learning Coalition and RTG Mentor
Meee One Amakakeru-Ryu-no-Hirameki 1422	Posted - 2014.12.28 16:24:00 - [17] - Quote calvin b wrote: I was running logi and I was trying to layout hives for my team. I was running proto hives and could not place more than 2. I do not understand this. One set was for healing and the other was for ammo. I do not want to spam, but in a close fight hives will be used up quick. I do not want to have to run out into a fight just to lay a hive to watch it burn up in a sec do to heavies. Did CCP really think this through? There is a lot of mouths to feed and I cant take care of everyone if I am limited to two hives. Please make it so logi's can do their jobs. I am fragile I do not have a lot to protect me for I run logi not slayer logi so having to run out into traffic to throw a hive every few seconds makes no since. I do run rep tool but I like variation. Is this a glitch that needs to be fixed or is this the state of logi's now? I'm sensing a liar trying to drum up sympathy. Which logistics were you using? Which tier? What were the names of those hives? ADV logistics has 24 BW Wyrk triage uses 8 Ish gauged uses 4 That's 12 total. Which leaves 12. For 2 more equalling 4. Even with the 6 of hybrids and the 8 of Wyrk triage that's only 14. It still leaves 10,enough for 1 more hive of either type -or- 2 more pure ammo hives. And in an 'under fire' scenario you've described a true logistics wouldn't drop ammo they would drop triage. ITT fake logistics trying to bring equipment spam back. Official Blueberry of the Forums. Title given by my #1 fan Sgt Kirk.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1595	Posted - 2014.12.28 16:44:00 - [18] - Quote That's kinda like saying that if you don't squad then your ineffective . Please stop the nose thumbing . Playing logi solo is so much harder then playing it in a squad . Some of you people are just trying to punish the solo player under the table . You can tell those by there statements . Who is a " REAL LOGI " and who's not is seen by there performance and there's really no one around that sees every match to critique and give advice unless it's asked in the forums . We need to stop bashing players who are trying to learn and perform a task at hand . You don't learn without trial and effort and that's experience . Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1595	Posted - 2014.12.28 16:46:00 - [19] - Quote RKKR wrote: I still wonder why everyone thought bandwidth was a good idea, it only fixes the spam (which could be fixed in better ways) and the difference between max bandwidth between tiers is ridiculous. Does a proto gun fire less bullets on a standard suit? No. As far as I know, equipment still has more CPU/PG usage with higher tiers just as guns, we can only deploy less of it due to bandwidth-crap if we are not using proto suits. It's also just another great way to ignore all the comments about high-ISK prices of equipment compared to it's usage and bandwith makes it even worse. Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
calvin b Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 2333	Posted - 2014.12.28 20:32:00 - [20] - Quote Kaze Eyrou wrote: What nanohives are you running? I am not at my PS so I cant look up the names I was running the triage proto hive that gives 75HP a sec, proto ammo resupply, and I have for back up the proto hive that gives both i think +40HP a sec and ammo. Can the other voices in other peoples minds hear my voices in my head????

calvin b Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 2335	Posted - 2014.12.28 20:34:00 - [21] - Quote Meee One wrote: calvin b wrote: I was running logi and I was trying to layout hives for my team. I was running proto hives and could not place more than 2. I do not understand this. One set was for healing and the other was for ammo. I do not want to spam, but in a close fight hives will be used up quick. I do not want to have to run out into a fight just to lay a hive to watch it burn up in a sec do to heavies. Did CCP really think this through? There is a lot of mouths to feed and I cant take care of everyone if I am limited to two hives. Please make it so logi's can do their jobs. I am fragile I do not have a lot to protect me for I run logi not slayer logi so having to run out into traffic to throw a hive every few seconds makes no since. I do run rep tool but I like variation. Is this a glitch that needs to be fixed or is this the state of logi's now? I'm sensing a liar trying to drum up sympathy. Which logistics were you using? Which tier? What were the names of those hives? ADV logistics has 24 BW Wyrk triage uses 8 Ish gauged uses 4 That's 12 total. Which leaves 12. For 2 more equalling 4. Even with the 6 of hybrids and the 8 of Wyrk triage that's only 14. It still leaves 10,enough for 1 more hive of either type -or- 2 more pure ammo hives. And in an 'under fire' scenario you've described a true logistics wouldn't drop ammo they would drop triage. ITT fake logistics trying to bring equipment spam back. I am not lying. I run logi part time why would I lie to get attention to a suit I run part time. I only run logi when my team really needs it, daily reward calls for it for WP SP gain, or I am tired of running my other suits. I run proto when I run logi with proto gear with a BPO AR. I run logi and focus on gear not gank there is a difference. Can the other voices in other peoples minds hear my voices in my head????
Z3dog BIG BAD W0LVES 90	Posted - 2014.12.28 20:58:00 - [22] - Quote calvin b wrote: I was running logi and I was trying to layout hives for my team. I was running proto hives and could not place more than 2. I do not understand this. One set was for healing and the other was for ammo. I do not want to spam, but in a close fight hives will be used up quick. I do not want to have to run out into a fight just to lay a hive to watch it burn up in a sec do to heavies. Did CCP really think this through? There is a lot of mouths to feed and I cant take care of everyone if I am limited to two hives. Please make it so logi's can do their jobs. I am fragile I do not have a lot to protect me for I run logi not slayer logi so having to run out into traffic to throw a hive every few seconds makes no since. I do run rep tool but I like variation. Is this a glitch that needs to be fixed or is this the state of logi's now? I had the same thing happen to me yesterday i had 4 uplinks out on my advanced minmatar. I dropped one proto triage hive and all of them disappeared. Dust 5/14 Bandwidth lol And totally not p2w hahaha
LAVALLOIS Nash QcGOLD 379	Posted - 2014.12.28 21:08:00 - [23] - Quote RKKR wrote: I still wonder why everyone thought bandwidth was a good idea, it only fixes the spam (which could be fixed in better ways) and the difference between max bandwidth between tiers is ridiculous. It wasn't "everyone" but alot of the vet players with a significant misunderstanding of what it was pushed for it because they were hoping it would punish people like me for breaking tradition. Here are some of the reasons, and then the actual impact: -Spam: Those who want to still can. Someone playing assault can switch at a supply depot to a proto assault and dump all kinds of equipment, and then switch back to a pro assault with a scanner. The noise coming from the equipment at the underground depot can still be heard in the distance. So a new player cant spam, but a veteran can. Convenient, right? =) -Heavies: It was predicted that they would all vanish. The writing was on the wall the whole time, but the fact that some logis are now forced to rep a heavy all match means that non only was there no reduction in heavies; the ones that are there are even more reinforced now. -WP farm: I was gleefully told that my days of being at the top of the EOM screen were over. Slayers, not logis, should be at the top and its about time those truly deserving of the glory got their recognition. Well, I make even more money now, because the bandwidth requirements means I have to do 1 of 2 things now after deploying: Snipe in a proto logi suit, switch to my Chiron BPO. Neither has significant costs. So while my equipment makes WP on rooftops im in a safe area with an expensive suit or in a dangerous area with a zero cost suit. -Solo players: It was to be the end of the solo logi. Logis apparently belong in squads where they are supposed to spend all their time putting in effort to make someone else get a better kdr. Another thing that the vets said "this is why that has to happen". And, of course, didnt pan out. -Rooftop uplinks: Was also supposed to be the end of that too. Apparently giving someone limits on how many things they can deploy was supposed to force them to put the links in area much more unsafe, right? Yeah, didnt happen. My highest yield links are on roofs, and the EMP mini barrage misses most of the time. If anything, my links spend more time unopposed, as before there were people dedicated to fighting me for the upper edges. Now, they dont bother because if they get up there and defeat me....then they inherit the hassle of limitations. ^ People with those reasons united against people like me, sure that their collective anger and hate would shut down my creativity, and id be forced to play the game identically to them. There was more spite than thought process and debating that happened. Thats why it went though so quickly with so few questions. Everyone thought there was a jab from them in there, but it was just empty speculation. So who did win in all this? =) vehicles! Our proxy capabilities have been curtailed to the point of novelty. Forgeguning? Mise as well respec, as there are incredibly few times you can forgegun without compromising the front line you just painstakingly set up. Thats why now in some games you see 5 tanks "racing" eachother and stuff. Alot of the community had the mentality that "you pick a role and you stick to it". Im looking forward to seeing this mentality spread out to more classes. No more using scout speed and invisibility to get to a depot and switch to a heavy. No more assaults switching to dual swarm commando. In the New Year, these are some changes I intend to push hard for.
Daddrobit You Can Call Me Daddy 1290	Posted - 2014.12.28 21:20:00 - [24] - Quote cris bleu wrote: C-C-P Rithu wrote: Daddrobit wrote: C-C-P Rithu wrote: I once stated this, how about we give a bonus to bandwidth if the logi is using its own racial equipment? Because **** Minmatar? Actually minmatar wont benefit from the bonus.Also bandwidth doesnt bother the repair tool I believe that's what he meant. Your suggestion is OK,except that it would benefit only amarr and caldari. Minmatar, and Gal for that matter, get nothing. The extra bandwidth that A and C get already seeks to address the problem you're trying to fix. Indeed this is what I meant. it would screw over Gal too, sorry I forget about them. O.G. Pink Fluffy Bunny
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1601	Posted - 2014.12.28 21:31:00 - [25] - Quote LAVALLOIS Nash wrote: It wasn't "everyone" but alot of the vet players with a significant misunderstanding of what it was pushed for it because they were hoping it would punish people like me for breaking tradition. That was deep and well said and I just can't help but to feel that what you speak of is true . Edit : I mean what you wrote and not just what I highlighted . Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game RUST415 1826	Posted - 2014.12.28 23:42:00 - [26] - Quote this whole "im a logi and i cant do anything because of bandwidth" nonsense is getting old. adapt. try fitting other stuff instead of all the same equipment and moaning that you cannot deploy it all at once. if you want more bandwidth do as everyone else does and use a better suit. All Hail Legion
Zindorak G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1443	Posted - 2014.12.29 01:29:00 - [27] - Quote How about bandwidth removal. I can't unload all my damn uplinks Pokemon master and Tekken Lord Give me da iskiez Gk0 Scout yay :)
calvin b Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 2338	Posted - 2014.12.29 04:48:00 - [28] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: this whole "im a logi and i cant do anything because of bandwidth" nonsense is getting old. adapt. try fitting other stuff instead of all the same equipment and moaning that you cannot deploy it all at once. if you want more bandwidth do as everyone else does and use a better suit. Adapt to what, there is a glitch. What is the purpose of having thee slots or four if you cant use it to be a logi. That's like telling an assault, your doing it wrong and take away their sidearm. Your argument is invalid. Have you not held a point in domination and needed to unload to make sure your team survived. Oh, right I am doing it wrong. Can the other voices in other peoples minds hear my voices in my head????


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