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Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law
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Posted - 2014.12.26 21:06:00 -
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It instantly kills tanks. Like wtf CCP.
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.12.26 21:08:00 -
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Isn't that the point of a high damage, small area Orbital?
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Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.12.26 21:11:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Isn't that the point of a high damage, small area Orbital?
But it's an I Win button to a tankers. I shouldn't have to be forced to lose a 500k isk tank instantly. It doesn't make sense. Its a fking tank.
If swarms wren't enough of an I WIN button, now warbarages.
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Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2014.12.26 21:14:00 -
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It also takes 5000 War Points to use which is no small task. It requires a squad working together and not using other orbitals in order to generate enough WP in order to obtain it. I consider this another side of teamwork used to kill vehicles. I see no issue with how Laser Orbitals work.
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Kallas Hallytyr
Skullbreakers
1205
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Posted - 2014.12.26 21:26:00 -
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I've seen HAVs escape. Not easy, but they are small AOE.
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Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
1380
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Posted - 2014.12.26 21:30:00 -
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Kallas Hallytyr wrote:I've seen HAVs escape. Not easy, but they are small AOE.
false because I nitroed away from the place of the OB but still 20 m away I Got hit.
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Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
1380
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Posted - 2014.12.26 21:31:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:It also takes 5000 War Points to use which is no small task. It requires a squad working together and not using other orbitals in order to generate enough WP in order to obtain it. I consider this another side of teamwork used to kill vehicles. I see no issue with how Laser Orbitals work.
So how about they put their balls together and AV instead of just using easy-mode Warbarages.
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Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2014.12.26 21:32:00 -
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What would you consider an acceptable amount of damage for an orbital strike, launched from a startship, specifically designed to kill HAVs, that costs 5000 WP to pull off?
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Kallas Hallytyr
Skullbreakers
1205
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Posted - 2014.12.26 21:38:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Kallas Hallytyr wrote:I've seen HAVs escape. Not easy, but they are small AOE. false because I nitroed away from the place of the OB but still 20 m away I Got hit.
True, I saw it happen. Didn't say it would happen all the time, it's an anecdote not evidence.
Stop being such an ********. Oh wait, that's all you ever do, ***** and moan.
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Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
2332
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Posted - 2014.12.26 21:42:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Isn't that the point of a high damage, small area Orbital? But it's an I Win button to a tankers. I shouldn't have to be forced to lose a 500k isk tank instantly. It doesn't make sense. Its a fking tank. If swarms wren't enough of an I WIN button, now warbarages.
Well, why should I be forced to lose a 235k Isk dropsuit instantly? It doesn't make sense! Its an effing suit of shielded power armor!!
Wahhhh, stomp, stomp, stomp, rabble, rabble, rabble
If shotguns weren't enough of an IWIN button, now warbarges?
::flips desk, sulks off::
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Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
1380
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Posted - 2014.12.26 21:50:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Isn't that the point of a high damage, small area Orbital? But it's an I Win button to a tankers. I shouldn't have to be forced to lose a 500k isk tank instantly. It doesn't make sense. Its a fking tank. If swarms wren't enough of an I WIN button, now warbarages. Well, why should I be forced to lose a 235k Isk dropsuit instantly? It doesn't make sense! Its an effing suit of shielded power armor!! Wahhhh, stomp, stomp, stomp, rabble, rabble, rabble If shotguns weren't enough of an IWIN button, now warbarges? ::flips desk, sulks off::
what suit cost 235k isk? My protosuits cost freking 130-150k isk.
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Bright Cloud
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
700
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Posted - 2014.12.26 21:51:00 -
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The laser strike was initially only avaible in PC and FW matches where the eve pilot had to either fit hybrid/laser turrets in order to have one of those. And yes the laser strike is specifically made to destroy HAV's. For every task there is a tool made for it and that is your final answer to it.
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Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
1380
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Posted - 2014.12.26 21:52:00 -
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The forums are just full ok punk ass infantry losers who don't give a sh*t about vehicles.
Sorry I even came here, even if vehicles where one shot by freking smg rounds and infantry would be happy and not give a sh*t.
F*ck you all.
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Greasepalms
Ahrendee Mercenaries
697
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Posted - 2014.12.26 21:56:00 -
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OP is mad as hell.
5000 WP , balanced.
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Titans of Phoenix
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Posted - 2014.12.26 21:58:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:The forums are just full ok punk ass infantry losers who don't give a sh*t about vehicles.
Sorry I even came here, even if vehicles where one shot by freking smg rounds and infantry would be happy and not give a sh*t.
F*ck you all.
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
4176
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Posted - 2014.12.26 22:00:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:The forums are just full ok punk ass infantry losers who don't give a sh*t about vehicles.
Sorry I even came here, even if vehicles where one shot by freking smg rounds and infantry would be happy and not give a sh*t.
F*ck you all.
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Kallas Hallytyr
Skullbreakers
1206
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Posted - 2014.12.26 22:27:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:The forums are just full ok punk ass infantry losers who don't give a sh*t about vehicles.
Sorry I even came here, even if vehicles where one shot by freking smg rounds and infantry would be happy and not give a sh*t.
F*ck you all.
Lol.
You cry so often about so many things, I'm supposed you have any tears left.
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Jaysyn Larrisen
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
1422
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Posted - 2014.12.26 22:32:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Isn't that the point of a high damage, small area Orbital? But it's an I Win button to a tankers. I shouldn't have to be forced to lose a 500k isk tank instantly. It doesn't make sense. Its a fking tank. If swarms wren't enough of an I WIN button, now warbarages. Well, why should I be forced to lose a 235k Isk dropsuit instantly? It doesn't make sense! Its an effing suit of shielded power armor!! Wahhhh, stomp, stomp, stomp, rabble, rabble, rabble If shotguns weren't enough of an IWIN button, now warbarges? ::flips desk, sulks off:: what suit cost 235k isk? My protosuits cost freking 130-150k isk.
Run a proto Logi suit. 230k ISK is pretty normal.
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Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
1385
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Posted - 2014.12.26 23:18:00 -
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Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Isn't that the point of a high damage, small area Orbital? But it's an I Win button to a tankers. I shouldn't have to be forced to lose a 500k isk tank instantly. It doesn't make sense. Its a fking tank. If swarms wren't enough of an I WIN button, now warbarages. Well, why should I be forced to lose a 235k Isk dropsuit instantly? It doesn't make sense! Its an effing suit of shielded power armor!! Wahhhh, stomp, stomp, stomp, rabble, rabble, rabble If shotguns weren't enough of an IWIN button, now warbarges? ::flips desk, sulks off:: what suit cost 235k isk? My protosuits cost freking 130-150k isk. Run a proto Logi suit. 230k ISK is pretty normal.
Lol, tanks can go up to 700k if you put on proto small turrets, your point is? Anyway, nobody forced you to run proto this and that. I run a standard/ advanced logi and I do fine. I use advanced equipment and I do fine. If I drove around with a tank with advanced modules- I'd get lit up faster than you can say fast.
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DarthJT5
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Posted - 2014.12.27 03:32:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:
Lol, tanks can go up to 700k if you put on proto small turrets, your point is? Anyway, nobody forced you to run proto this and that. I run a standard/ advanced logi and I do fine. I use advanced equipment and I do fine. If I drove around with a tank with advanced modules- I'd get lit up faster than you can say fast.
If that's true, then your pretty bad. I use sica's from time to time when I'm not using my proto missiles, and I dont even lose them except maybe 1 out of 5 matches. If your using adv, you should barely ever lose the tank unless facing multiple(more than 2) AV'ers, and even then, you can still get away most of the time if you know what your doing. Please stop being like Spkr and acting like tanks are UP, you make the rest of us look bad.
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.12.27 04:00:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Anyway, nobody forced you to run proto this and that. I run a standard/ advanced logi and I do fine. I use advanced equipment and I do fine. If I drove around with a tank with advanced modules- I'd get lit up faster than you can say fast.
Not as fast as a Laser Orbital Strike 
The part that's hilarious is when you say "It's a freaking tank!"
my response is "its a freaking orbital strike from a starship in orbit!"
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Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.12.27 04:00:00 -
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DarthJT5 wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:
Lol, tanks can go up to 700k if you put on proto small turrets, your point is? Anyway, nobody forced you to run proto this and that. I run a standard/ advanced logi and I do fine. I use advanced equipment and I do fine. If I drove around with a tank with advanced modules- I'd get lit up faster than you can say fast.
If that's true, then your pretty bad. I use sica's from time to time when I'm not using my proto missiles, and I dont even lose them except maybe 1 out of 5 matches. If your using adv, you should barely ever lose the tank unless facing multiple(more than 2) AV'ers, and even then, you can still get away most of the time if you know what your doing. Please stop being like Spkr and acting like tanks are UP, you make the rest of us look bad.
Well, come up against my squad. I'll show you how it feels to be batterd to sh*t as soon as you leave the redline. Seriously, I'll bring my Minmatar commando and kill you and you'll have no other choice than accept death. Also, why would people call warbarages on sicas, those are easy as sh*t to destroy.
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Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2014.12.27 04:03:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:
Well, come up against my squad. I'll show you how it feels to be batterd to sh*t as soon as you leave the redline. Seriously, I'll bring my Minmatar commando and kill you and you'll have no other choice than accept death. Also, why would people call warbarages on sicas, those are easy as sh*t to destroy.
Oh yeah, stroke that ePeen. Mmmmm. I love it when people cry with their ePeen out.
I mean really "you'll have no other choice than accept death." Sounds like something out of a 14 year old anime fanfic. Totes adorbs.
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Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.12.27 04:13:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:
Well, come up against my squad. I'll show you how it feels to be batterd to sh*t as soon as you leave the redline. Seriously, I'll bring my Minmatar commando and kill you and you'll have no other choice than accept death. Also, why would people call warbarages on sicas, those are easy as sh*t to destroy.
Oh yeah, stroke that ePeen. Mmmmm. I love it when people cry with their ePeen out. I mean really "you'll have no other choice than accept death." Sounds like something out of a 14 year old anime fanfic. Totes adorbs.
Do you have a problem because if you do, how about you come at me with some facts to why it's ok for tanks to be as tanky as LAV's.
BTW- "Laser" Warbarage dropped a 5885 armor 1200 shield in two shots... What type of bull **** is that??
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KA24DERT
TeamPlayers
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Posted - 2014.12.27 04:15:00 -
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Yep.
If a squad does exceptionally well, towards the end of the match the squad lead can decide to pop your tank, or destroy a squad or two of infantry.
A good OB can destroy more ISK in dropsuits than your tank is worth.
If you're worried about OBs then get scarce or recall your tank once the enemy team passes the likely warpoint threshold.
Honestly though if you'er getting OBed constantly, chances are you're reckless and are also dying to the first semi-competent pair of AVers that see you.
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Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2014.12.27 04:18:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:
Well, come up against my squad. I'll show you how it feels to be batterd to sh*t as soon as you leave the redline. Seriously, I'll bring my Minmatar commando and kill you and you'll have no other choice than accept death. Also, why would people call warbarages on sicas, those are easy as sh*t to destroy.
Oh yeah, stroke that ePeen. Mmmmm. I love it when people cry with their ePeen out. I mean really "you'll have no other choice than accept death." Sounds like something out of a 14 year old anime fanfic. Totes adorbs. Do you have a problem because if you do, how about you come at me with some facts to why it's ok for tanks to be as tanky as LAV's. BTW- "Laser" Warbarage dropped a 5885 armor 1200 shield in two shots... What type of bull **** is that??
I have a problem because I started off responding to this thread with a reason for why this is not a broken mechanic and you responded by freaking out, screaming, and cussing everyone out. So it turned into a troll thread you keep coming back to because you lack the self control to disengage.
Secondly, this to New Eden. You are never, at any given point, 100% safe from anything instantly kicking your ass into next week. This is a fact. At any given moment, under the right circumstances and given the coordination and setup of the enemy, someone will **** the living **** out of you. This is the nature of the New Eden universe. You may not like it, and that's fine, but welcome to New Eden and if you don't like it, the airlock is right over there.
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Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
1392
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Posted - 2014.12.27 04:20:00 -
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KA24DERT wrote:Yep.
If a squad does exceptionally well, towards the end of the match the squad lead can decide to pop your tank, or destroy a squad or two of infantry.
A good OB can destroy more ISK in dropsuits than your tank is worth.
If you're worried about OBs then get scarce or recall your tank once the enemy team passes the likely warpoint threshold.
Honestly though if you'er getting OBed constantly, chances are you're reckless and are also dying to the first semi-competent pair of AVers that see you.
Why would they OB me if they could kill me with AV? Because they can't...
It's just another scrubby way for loser ass infantry to farm WP by repairing heavies and destroy tanks. 5000 WP is no tall order. I alone in a tank can get 2000 easy and it is super easy to farm WP by uplinks and repping heavies.
Also- a tank is worth about 500k isk, I loose one ok great because im surely at a loss that match. If I lose say a stupidly expensive logi suit that is 230k isk suit (Like seriously wtf?? My proto suits are like 120-140k isk) but still you can profit if you run starter fits.
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Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.12.27 04:26:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:
Well, come up against my squad. I'll show you how it feels to be batterd to sh*t as soon as you leave the redline. Seriously, I'll bring my Minmatar commando and kill you and you'll have no other choice than accept death. Also, why would people call warbarages on sicas, those are easy as sh*t to destroy.
Oh yeah, stroke that ePeen. Mmmmm. I love it when people cry with their ePeen out. I mean really "you'll have no other choice than accept death." Sounds like something out of a 14 year old anime fanfic. Totes adorbs. Do you have a problem because if you do, how about you come at me with some facts to why it's ok for tanks to be as tanky as LAV's. BTW- "Laser" Warbarage dropped a 5885 armor 1200 shield in two shots... What type of bull **** is that?? I have a problem because I started off responding to this thread with a reason for why this is not a broken mechanic and you responded by freaking out, screaming, and cussing everyone out. So it turned into a troll thread you keep coming back to because you lack the self control to disengage. Secondly, this to New Eden. You are never, at any given point, 100% safe from anything instantly kicking your ass into next week. This is a fact. At any given moment, under the right circumstances and given the coordination and setup of the enemy, someone will **** the living **** out of you. This is the nature of the New Eden universe. You may not like it, and that's fine, but welcome to New Eden and if you don't like it, the airlock is right over there.
Let me guess, you are always 100% right, right? You are CCP so you know what is right from wrong? I can just as easily say shotgun cloak was a good mechanic. You can't counter that it is bad.
Infantry didn't like getting instantly killed without enough of a warning. Warbarages are the same except you lose a lot more isk than you would losing one dropsuit. A squad of 6 protostompers can easily AF get 10,000 WP above.
All I was trying to do was help my make a push, but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO let them just drop an orbital on me and instantly terminate my 500k isk.
I mean, As an infantry player, you can choose to run starter fits after losing your first proto suit and still profit that match, one I lose 500k isk I can choose to run starter fits too except im already like 300k isk in the hole.
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Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2014.12.27 04:30:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:
Why would they OB me if they could kill me with AV? Because they can't...
Why does a sniper shoot me in the head when I stand still when they could just run up and kill me with a knife? Because they can't...
Lol I mean really dude? Your logic is so abohorrently biased that it's clear you basically don't want anything to kill you, "because it's a freaking tank." It's people like you that make me ashamed to admit that my main specialty is into vehicles because when I tell people that, they just assume I'm another biased, self entitled player like you, interested more in feeling like a badass than actually a properly balanced game.
I will admit that AV vs vehicles needs some work, but the mechanics of the Laser Strikes is completely reasonable, you really need to just get over yourself.
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Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
1392
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Posted - 2014.12.27 04:46:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:
Why would they OB me if they could kill me with AV? Because they can't...
Why does a sniper shoot me in the head when I stand still when they could just run up and kill me with a knife? Because they can't... Lol I mean really dude? Your logic is so abohorrently biased that it's clear you basically don't want anything to kill you, "because it's a freaking tank." It's people like you that make me ashamed to admit that my main specialty is into vehicles because when I tell people that, they just assume I'm another biased, self entitled player like you, interested more in feeling like a badass than actually a properly balanced game. I will admit that AV vs vehicles needs some work, but the mechanics of the Laser Strikes is completely reasonable, you really need to just get over yourself.
Exactly, IF you can't kill a tank with tanks/ AV what do you use, you use the I WIN button. Also, they can run up to you and knife you unless you're a scrub in the redline. If he's head glitching what do you do? You can't do anything so you drop an OB on him.
The Laser Strike mechanic is unacceptable. It's an OP I WIN button. Infantry don't even have to bother with the tank, they just need to farm WP (5000 isn't even that many WP) and boom you can kill a tank instantly and all the infantry around him.
Should I not be given a chance to survive? Should I not be given a Notice. I tell you 50% of the strikes dropped on me when i'm infantry out in the open I survive with no damage.
The rest I die but then again I lose like a maximum of 150k isk for that suit. No biggy because I switch to APEX suits and battle it out and still profit. In a tank I lose 500k + isk..... 200k isk (Average Earned)-500k isk lost= 300k isk in the hole because of an I WIN button.
. I mean, I don't even think marauder tanks can survive these things and those tanks are gonna be expensive as hell probably.
This strike can shoot dropships out of the air.
The counter to tanks should be other tanks and infantry, warbarrages should weaken tanks, not instantly kill them.
It's people like you that have put a bottle of milk in the infantry's mouth and nurtured them into believing this crap is ok.
I honestly don't even believe in the fact that you are a tanker/ vehicle specialist. You're probably like Atiim who thinks he knows the vehicles side of thins because he once drove a gunnlogi with militia modules and went 15-0 in a match full of starter fit new players.
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Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2014.12.27 04:52:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:I honestly don't even believe in the fact that you are a tanker/ vehicle specialist. You're probably like Atiim who thinks he knows the vehicles side of thins because he once drove a gunnlogi with militia modules and went 15-0 in a match full of starter fit new players.
No, I'm just not an idiot and I understand how checks and balances work. You simply don't like the fact that I don't agree with you, so you've convinced yourself that I have no idea what I'm talking about so you can just simply assume I'm incorrect.
Again I repeat, you are never, at any point, 100% safe from being blapped into oblivion without any warning. There are COUNTLESS situations in EVE which will instantly kill you, without warning, and without any way to avoid it if you don't know it's coming.
HTFU.
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Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
1392
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Posted - 2014.12.27 04:55:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:I honestly don't even believe in the fact that you are a tanker/ vehicle specialist. You're probably like Atiim who thinks he knows the vehicles side of thins because he once drove a gunnlogi with militia modules and went 15-0 in a match full of starter fit new players. No, I'm just not an idiot and I understand how checks and balances work. You simply don't like the fact that I don't agree with you, so you've convinced yourself that I have no idea what I'm talking about so you can just simply assume I'm incorrect. Again I repeat, you are never, at any point, 100% safe from being blapped into oblivion without any warning. There are COUNTLESS situations in EVE which will instantly kill you, without warning, and without any way to avoid it if you don't know it's coming. HTFU.
Hole up, if you think this I WIN button for infantry is perfectly fine, then you do not understand Checks and Balances work.
Explain to me again, why is it ok to nerf and nerf scouts because infantry don't like being insta blapped by shotguns but not nerf the warbarage?
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Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2014.12.27 05:05:00 -
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Decloak delay nerfs shotgun scouts, just as it is difficult to hit a moving target with a warbarge.
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Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.12.27 05:09:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Decloak delay nerfs shotgun scouts, just as it is difficult to hit a moving target with a warbarge.
No it's not... Its like trying to hit an enemy running around with a mass driver adding in the fact that you can teleport right above him. It doesn't matter if you miss him directly hit him, with a diameter so big you instantly kill him.
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
4184
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Posted - 2014.12.27 05:10:00 -
[35] - Quote
Geeze I guess I'm just really good at dodging Orbitals then. I'm sorry you have so much difficulty.
EDIT: But hey, I'll hear you out. How about you stop complaining for a couple seconds, and tell us all what you feel the appropriate amount of damage the Laser Orbital Strike should do. I want to see some hard number suggestions.
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Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
1392
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Posted - 2014.12.27 05:23:00 -
[36] - Quote
Pokey Dravon wrote:Geeze I guess I'm just really good at dodging Orbitals then. I'm sorry you have so much difficulty.
EDIT: But hey, I'll hear you out. How about you stop complaining for a couple seconds, and tell us all what you feel the appropriate amount of damage the Laser Orbital Strike should do. I want to see some hard number suggestions.
I don't know the damage is in the first place but as long as it isn't ridiculous to a point where it instakills.
I mean, if each laser during the barrage did about 750 damage keeping in mind that they drop really fast, i'd be fine. Like, I don't know the exact number on it right now but it has to be near like 2000 something.
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
4184
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Posted - 2014.12.27 05:31:00 -
[37] - Quote
Sir Dukey wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Geeze I guess I'm just really good at dodging Orbitals then. I'm sorry you have so much difficulty.
EDIT: But hey, I'll hear you out. How about you stop complaining for a couple seconds, and tell us all what you feel the appropriate amount of damage the Laser Orbital Strike should do. I want to see some hard number suggestions. I don't know the damage is in the first place but as long as it isn't ridiculous to a point where it instakills. I mean, if each laser during the barrage did about 750 damage keeping in mind that they drop really fast, i'd be fine. Like, I don't know the exact number on it right now but it has to be near like 2000 something.
I believe each laser orbital is 24 volleys. At 750 each that's 18,000 damage. So what you're saying is that you wan to survive a a Laser Orbital, yes? So your double hardened Gunnlogi has what...9000 eHP. So at 24 shots you want each to have 375 damage each?
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DarthJT5
12th Shadow Legion
177
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Posted - 2014.12.27 05:43:00 -
[38] - Quote
Sir Dukey wrote:DarthJT5 wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:
Lol, tanks can go up to 700k if you put on proto small turrets, your point is? Anyway, nobody forced you to run proto this and that. I run a standard/ advanced logi and I do fine. I use advanced equipment and I do fine. If I drove around with a tank with advanced modules- I'd get lit up faster than you can say fast.
If that's true, then your pretty bad. I use sica's from time to time when I'm not using my proto missiles, and I dont even lose them except maybe 1 out of 5 matches. If your using adv, you should barely ever lose the tank unless facing multiple(more than 2) AV'ers, and even then, you can still get away most of the time if you know what your doing. Please stop being like Spkr and acting like tanks are UP, you make the rest of us look bad. Well, come up against my squad. I'll show you how it feels to be batterd to sh*t as soon as you leave the redline. Seriously, I'll bring my Minmatar commando and kill you and you'll have no other choice than accept death. Also, why would people call warbarages on sicas, those are easy as sh*t to destroy.
There's your problem right there. Your going to take your squad to fight 1 person. In that case, how about I bring MY squad that covers my tank as I destroy any and all vehicles on the field, while also missile sniping infantry for the lolz. Also, I kill pretty much destroy every AV person ever that tries to solo my tank. You bring your min mando, I'll bring my XT's, you'll be short 1 drop suit.
Also, idk who would call a war barge on a sica, because I never mentioned someone doing that in my post. Uou didn't get the point. You said you couldn't drive a tank with adv mods without getting lit up faster than you can say fast, I said that I can drive sica's and barely ever lose them. Where do war barges come into the point there?
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
16290
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Posted - 2014.12.27 07:25:00 -
[39] - Quote
Sir Dukey wrote:It instantly kills tanks. Like wtf CCP.
Dude you got blapped by a larger calibre gun/laser/whatever.
I'll take this slowly for you since I'm sure you probably won't understand this anyway.
A Rifle Calibre bullet does not hurt a tank.
A larger anti personnel MG bullet might do some damage at close range to a tank.
An even large Anti Tank round might penetrate tank armour at medium range (not often at long)
A tank round more often penetrates tank armour as well.
A 400 pound bomb dropped from a bombed annihilates columns of tanks.....
What do you think a cannon with a round/charge deployable from orbit could do?
Yes Dukey it penetrates you tanks armour regardless of what you do. Logically a tank has weak armour on the top and bottom due to lack of need for it.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
16291
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Posted - 2014.12.27 07:37:00 -
[40] - Quote
Sir Dukey wrote:
Well, come up against my squad. I'll show you how it feels to be batterd to sh*t as soon as you leave the redline. Seriously, I'll bring my Minmatar commando and kill you and you'll have no other choice than accept death. Also, why would people call warbarages on sicas, those are easy as sh*t to destroy.
Oh noes buddy..... your squad of big bad asshats with the same pro-douchery over powered tool as hell mentality as you?
I'm thoroughly trembling here in my little black lambskin slippers. Oh wait almost dropped my cup of tea quaking in fear......
Ends sarcasm. Toodles Dukey.
Also gave a like to every non tanker in this thread.
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DarthJT5
12th Shadow Legion
181
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Posted - 2014.12.27 07:44:00 -
[41] - Quote
True Adamance wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:
Well, come up against my squad. I'll show you how it feels to be batterd to sh*t as soon as you leave the redline. Seriously, I'll bring my Minmatar commando and kill you and you'll have no other choice than accept death. Also, why would people call warbarages on sicas, those are easy as sh*t to destroy.
Oh noes buddy..... your squad of big bad asshats with the same pro-douchery over powered tool as hell mentality as you? I'm thoroughly trembling here in my little black lambskin slippers. Oh wait almost dropped my cup of tea quaking in fear...... Ends sarcasm. Toodles Dukey. Also gave a like to every non tanker in this thread.
Aww.... You gave me a like *cries*
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Kallas Hallytyr
Skullbreakers
1213
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Posted - 2014.12.27 08:57:00 -
[42] - Quote
Summary of Sir Dukey's posts (not just this thread, but in general):
Waah wah wah, my stuff got destroyed, wah, why did you nerf that thing that was OP when I and my douche Proto squad were abusing the hell out of it? Wah wah I want easy mode, but I'll keep calling things a win button that are actually reasonably balanced, wah, WAH!
Dukey, grow up. The laser orbital is nasty as anything, but even if (and this isn't the case) 5000 WP were quick and easy to get (if someone gets a laser strike in the first two minutes of a game, your team is awful, so why are you bringing in 500k HAVs?!) then the small radius (and yes, it is a smaller radius than the standard strike) alone makes it harder to hit a moving target.
You mock people who say that HAVs can avoid it, but then you talk about how you survive OBs as infantry? Go back to your bridge and rehydrate, sunshine.
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Jaysyn Larrisen
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
1424
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Posted - 2014.12.27 10:27:00 -
[43] - Quote
Sir Dukey wrote:Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:
what suit cost 235k isk? My protosuits cost freking 130-150k isk.
Run a proto Logi suit. 230k ISK is pretty normal.
Lol, tanks can go up to 700k if you put on proto small turrets, your point is? Anyway, nobody forced you to run proto this and that. I run a standard/ advanced logi and I do fine. I use advanced equipment and I do fine. If I drove around with a tank with advanced modules- I'd get lit up faster than you can say fast. [/quote]
My point is you asked fairly directly what suit costs 235k ISK an cited your own proto suit as a comparative example.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
16297
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Posted - 2014.12.27 11:47:00 -
[44] - Quote
Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:
what suit cost 235k isk? My protosuits cost freeing 130-150k isk.
Run a proto Logi suit. 230k ISK is pretty normal. Lol, tanks can go up to 700k if you put on proto small turrets, your point is? Anyway, nobody forced you to run proto this and that. I run a standard/ advanced logi and I do fine. I use advanced equipment and I do fine. If I drove around with a tank with advanced modules- I'd get lit up faster than you can say fast. My point is you asked fairly directly what suit costs 235k ISK an cited your own proto suit as a comparative example. Nor did I say anything about not being satisfied with the preformance results when running less than proto level gear. Normally I would say something to the effect of "no one forced you to run a tank either" but I'll just have a laugh and move on.
No one forces you sure....but its the only entertaining thing to do.
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Lazer Fo Cused
Shining Flame
Amarr Empire
303
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Posted - 2014.12.27 13:30:00 -
[45] - Quote
1. Major Laser warbarge strike requires 5k WP
2. It causes over 35k of damage - It wipes out CRUs in 1 hit
3. Its about 250m in size so if your still your dead
4. No HAV currently will be able to survive a strike like that unless you are on the fringes of it and are moving
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Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
2336
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Posted - 2014.12.27 17:31:00 -
[46] - Quote
True Adamance wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:
Well, come up against my squad. I'll show you how it feels to be batterd to sh*t as soon as you leave the redline. Seriously, I'll bring my Minmatar commando and kill you and you'll have no other choice than accept death. Also, why would people call warbarages on sicas, those are easy as sh*t to destroy.
Oh noes buddy..... your squad of big bad asshats with the same pro-douchery over powered tool as hell mentality as you? I'm thoroughly trembling here in my little black lambskin slippers. Oh wait almost dropped my cup of tea quaking in fear...... Ends sarcasm. Toodles Dukey. Also gave a like to every non tanker in this thread.
I am not a "Non-Tanker"!!!
I am simply a Tanker without a Tank!!
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Songs of Seraphim
Murphys-Law
156
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Posted - 2014.12.27 17:34:00 -
[47] - Quote
Dukey, quit slandering our name.
For fucks sake, just stop complaining all over the forums.
But to reply to your OP: The major laser warbarge strikes cost 5000, and is used by a ship that makes a Python look like a fly. You don't think, you know, maybe a spaceship of that magnitude carry some firepower? Even if it's a minute laser beam on their end, it would look like a fireworks barrage on our end.
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Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
1396
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Posted - 2014.12.27 17:49:00 -
[48] - Quote
Songs of Seraphim wrote:Dukey, quit slandering our name.
For fucks sake, just stop complaining all over the forums.
But to reply to your OP: The major laser warbarge strikes cost 5000, and is used by a ship that makes a Python look like a fly. You don't think, you know, maybe a spaceship of that magnitude carry some firepower? Even if it's a minute laser beam on their end, it would look like a fireworks barrage on our end.
I was trolling, I'm a scout lol.
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iKILLu osborne
Titans of Phoenix
564
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Posted - 2014.12.27 17:59:00 -
[49] - Quote
i agree with op if it pops you "instantly" then yes it is overpowered, everything else in this game can be avoided with positioning and situational awareness, this should be no different.
if you shoot me from the redline i will ensure your death will be a swift one
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Songs of Seraphim
Murphys-Law
156
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Posted - 2014.12.27 18:07:00 -
[50] - Quote
Sir Dukey wrote:Songs of Seraphim wrote:Dukey, quit slandering our name.
For fucks sake, just stop complaining all over the forums.
But to reply to your OP: The major laser warbarge strikes cost 5000, and is used by a ship that makes a Python look like a fly. You don't think, you know, maybe a spaceship of that magnitude carry some firepower? Even if it's a minute laser beam on their end, it would look like a fireworks barrage on our end. I was trolling, I'm a scout lol.
My first points still stand.
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Pocket Rocket Girl
Psygod9
188
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Posted - 2014.12.27 20:10:00 -
[51] - Quote
True Adamance wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:
Well, come up against my squad. I'll show you how it feels to be batterd to sh*t as soon as you leave the redline. Seriously, I'll bring my Minmatar commando and kill you and you'll have no other choice than accept death. Also, why would people call warbarages on sicas, those are easy as sh*t to destroy.
Oh noes buddy..... your squad of big bad asshats with the same pro-douchery over powered tool as hell mentality as you? I'm thoroughly trembling here in my little black lambskin slippers. Oh wait almost dropped my cup of tea quaking in fear...... Ends sarcasm. Toodles Dukey. Also gave a like to every non tanker in this thread.
Just here for the like LOL.
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Pocket Rocket Girl
Psygod9
188
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Posted - 2014.12.27 20:13:00 -
[52] - Quote
Sir Dukey wrote:The forums are just full ok punk ass infantry losers who don't give a sh*t about vehicles.
Sorry I even came here, even if vehicles where one shot by freking smg rounds and infantry would be happy and not give a sh*t.
F*ck you all.
All ive seen are tankers complain about AV units
I nitroed away from the place of the OB but still 20 m away I Got hit. 20m isnt far when in a orbital...
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manboar thunder fist
Dead Man's Game
RUST415
333
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Posted - 2014.12.27 20:22:00 -
[53] - Quote
It takes 5000 war points.
That's the equivalent of 20 tank destructions given 2 damage and 1 destruction points.
It's pretty balanced if you're killing 1 tank tbf.
Also it gives q huge noise and visual warning, and you can just boost out.
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Megaman Trigger
Knights of Eternal Darkness
165
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Posted - 2014.12.27 20:58:00 -
[54] - Quote
Laser Strike operates as a combination of Major Flux and Major Warbarge Strikes. The initial 'shot' acts as a flux, taking out shields instantly while the remaining are directed to armour. That's how it was explained to me anyway.
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
4210
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Posted - 2014.12.27 23:31:00 -
[55] - Quote
Megaman Trigger wrote:Laser Strike operates as a combination of Major Flux and Major Warbarge Strikes. The initial 'shot' acts as a flux, taking out shields instantly while the remaining are directed to armour. That's how it was explained to me anyway.
Technically Lasers are +20%/-20% for Shields and Armor but the damage is so great that it doesn't really matter, and honestly I don't think the orbitals technically have a damage type, it's just neutral damage.
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TRULY ELITE
Titans of Phoenix
271
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Posted - 2014.12.29 09:52:00 -
[56] - Quote
Sir Dukey wrote:Songs of Seraphim wrote:Dukey, quit slandering our name.
For fucks sake, just stop complaining all over the forums.
But to reply to your OP: The major laser warbarge strikes cost 5000, and is used by a ship that makes a Python look like a fly. You don't think, you know, maybe a spaceship of that magnitude carry some firepower? Even if it's a minute laser beam on their end, it would look like a fireworks barrage on our end. I was trolling, I'm a scout lol.
Lol now he knows he's lost when he resorts to saying 'I'm trolling'.
I think it's fair to say that this kiddy got rekt
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SirManBoy
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
728
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Posted - 2014.12.29 10:28:00 -
[57] - Quote
Sir Dukey wrote:It instantly kills tanks. Like wtf CCP.
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