DUST Search - Standardize vehicle shield/armor HP ratios by race

Breakin Stuff wrote:

The-Errorist wrote:

Pokey Dravon wrote:

I kinda see it as the same logic that they used with the Caldari Sentinel having a sizable amount of armor, because if a Flux Grenade hits them, you don't want them left with like 50 armor and no shields instantly. So I totally get what you're saying, and perhaps it may be beneficial to push some of the armor HP into the shield HP, but I also think that a 90/10 spread may be going too far.

What if I changed the it to to 85/15 and if major flux strikes dealt equal damage compared to regular strikes? That way it won't be that devastating compared to a normal strike against an armor vehicle.

80/20 would be bare minimum. You're already looking at a oneshot with FG once it is in armor. But we don't want the armor dropping sufficiently that an EMP strike + mass driver makes gunnlogis easy meat.

Stacking too much HP on one tank type can be bad for front loaded shield HAVs because while it is too easy to supertank them an instagib isn't a good thing.

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The-Errorist 937	Posted - 2014.12.26 05:54:00 - [1] - Quote Trello card [Issues] One big problem with Caldari vehicles is that they have a huge chunk of their HP as armor when their main focus are shields. For example, a Gunnlogi has 2650 shield HP and 1500 armor HP; 63.9% of it's total HP are shields and the remaining HP 36.1% are armor, which is weird for a shield only focused race. For Madrugars, they have 23.1% shields and 76.9% armor which isn't that bad in comparison. [Solutions] Vehicles should have standardized shield/armor HP ratios based on race. Shield to armor ratio Amarr: 10% shields and 90% armor Gallente: 25% shields and 75% armor Minmatar: 55% shields and 45% armor Caldari: 90% shields and 10% armor Related thread: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=185822 MAG + Dust cb vet, an alt of Velvet Overkill & Agent Overkill AKA Enkouyami (Main PSN).
The-Errorist 937	Posted - 2014.12.26 05:54:00 - [2] - Quote Reserved MAG + Dust cb vet, an alt of Velvet Overkill & Agent Overkill AKA Enkouyami (Main PSN).
The-Errorist 937	Posted - 2014.12.26 07:33:00 - [3] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: While I don't like to consider Flux Warbarge Strikes as a balancing mechanic since they supposed to only exist in Pubs and not FW or PC...I do have some concerns about Flux Strikes hitting a Caldari vehicle and then dropping it instantly into armor which would only be 10% of its total HP. Now of course that can also be a function of how much those flux strikes do to HAVs, but do you see my concern? Yeah, I see your concern. How much shield damage do flux strikes deal anyway? MAG + Dust cb vet, an alt of Velvet Overkill & Agent Overkill AKA Enkouyami (Main PSN).
The-Errorist 937	Posted - 2014.12.26 07:53:00 - [4] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: I kinda see it as the same logic that they used with the Caldari Sentinel having a sizable amount of armor, because if a Flux Grenade hits them, you don't want them left with like 50 armor and no shields instantly. So I totally get what you're saying, and perhaps it may be beneficial to push some of the armor HP into the shield HP, but I also think that a 90/10 spread may be going too far. What if I changed the it to to 85/15 and if major flux strikes dealt equal to damage compared to regular strikes? That way it won't be that devastating compared to a normal strike against an armor vehicle. MAG + Dust cb vet, an alt of Velvet Overkill & Agent Overkill AKA Enkouyami (Main PSN).
The-Errorist 937	Posted - 2014.12.26 09:37:00 - [5] - Quote OP has been updated with another issue Breakin Stuff wrote: The-Errorist wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: I kinda see it as the same logic that they used with the Caldari Sentinel having a sizable amount of armor, because if a Flux Grenade hits them, you don't want them left with like 50 armor and no shields instantly. So I totally get what you're saying, and perhaps it may be beneficial to push some of the armor HP into the shield HP, but I also think that a 90/10 spread may be going too far. What if I changed the it to to 85/15 and if major flux strikes dealt equal damage compared to regular strikes? That way it won't be that devastating compared to a normal strike against an armor vehicle. 80/20 would be bare minimum. You're already looking at a oneshot with FG once it is in armor. But we don't want the armor dropping sufficiently that an EMP strike + mass driver makes gunnlogis easy meat. Stacking too much HP on one tank type can be bad for front loaded shield HAVs because while it is too easy to supertank them an instagib isn't a good thing. I don't think you understand or read the part where I said "and if major flux strikes dealt equal damage compared to regular strikes? That way it won't be that devastating compared to a normal strike against an armor vehicle. MAG + Dust cb vet, an alt of Velvet Overkill & Agent Overkill AKA Enkouyami (Main PSN).
The-Errorist 982	Posted - 2015.01.29 21:15:00 - [6] - Quote Changed the ratio to 20/80 for Cal, 80/20 for Am and updated the stats for HAVs LAVs and DS using those. MAG + Dust cb vet, an alt of Velvet Overkill & Agent Overkill AKA Enkouyami (Main PSN).