DUST Search - DEVS:Reasonable buff to FW

deezy dabest wrote:

ACT1ON BASTARD wrote:

I've been playing cal FW lately and the rewards have been really lackluster when I'm not qsyncing. I usually get 1st place average 3k WP but still only 300 LP. Because of that I've been afking because there's no point in playing if I'm putting in all the work and still losing while my teams doing nothing but sitting in the redline. But you can't really blame them.

So I'm proposing we give top players bonuses, this will only effect the losing team and afkers.
GÇó1st-3rd place will receive normal payout for their efforts

GÇó4th-10th get a little extra in payout

GÇólast 6 get normal losing payout

GÇó this will help with afkers 0 WP gets you no LP you heard right No LP!!

I know boosters will love it, but boosters can be caught, and afkers will have to drop an uplink in the redline or whatever they do but its not so easy as deploying and turning the turbo on anymore. Maybe then there will be some competition within the team to do some work.

Umm no.

Just make losing pay ZERO ANYTHING. The guys that are not worth their weight will quit playing because they are sick of feeling screwed.

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ACT1ON BASTARD Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 314	Posted - 2014.12.22 23:11:00 - [1] - Quote I've been playing cal FW lately and the rewards have been really lackluster when I'm not qsyncing. I usually get 1st place average 3k WP but still only 300 LP. Because of that I've been afking because there's no point in playing if I'm putting in all the work and still losing while my teams doing nothing but sitting in the redline. But you can't really blame them. So I'm proposing we give top players bonuses, this will only effect the losing team and afkers. GÇó1st-3rd place will receive normal payout for their efforts GÇó4th-10th get a little extra in payout GÇólast 6 get normal losing payout GÇó this will help with afkers 0 WP gets you no LP you heard right No LP!! I know boosters will love it, but boosters can be caught, and afkers will have to drop an uplink in the redline or whatever they do but its not so easy as deploying and turning the turbo on anymore. Maybe then there will be some competition within the team to do some work.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 5723	Posted - 2014.12.22 23:12:00 - [2] - Quote Unless you can prove to Rattati that buffing FacWar also enhances the "marquee feature" of Dust 514 (Planetary conquest) buffing FacWar is a no-go. My advice to you, playa...
ACT1ON BASTARD Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 314	Posted - 2014.12.22 23:15:00 - [3] - Quote I think I should put this in features and ideas too .
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 1431	Posted - 2014.12.22 23:19:00 - [4] - Quote ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: I've been playing cal FW lately and the rewards have been really lackluster when I'm not qsyncing. I usually get 1st place average 3k WP but still only 300 LP. Because of that I've been afking because there's no point in playing if I'm putting in all the work and still losing while my teams doing nothing but sitting in the redline. But you can't really blame them. So I'm proposing we give top players bonuses, this will only effect the losing team and afkers. GÇó1st-3rd place will receive normal payout for their efforts GÇó4th-10th get a little extra in payout GÇólast 6 get normal losing payout GÇó this will help with afkers 0 WP gets you no LP you heard right No LP!! I know boosters will love it, but boosters can be caught, and afkers will have to drop an uplink in the redline or whatever they do but its not so easy as deploying and turning the turbo on anymore. Maybe then there will be some competition within the team to do some work. Umm no. Just make losing pay ZERO ANYTHING. The guys that are not worth their weight will quit playing because they are sick of feeling screwed.
ACT1ON BASTARD Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 315	Posted - 2014.12.22 23:20:00 - [5] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Unless you can prove to Rattati that buffing FacWar also enhances the "marquee feature" of Dust 514 (Planetary conquest) buffing FacWar is a no-go. Yeah but its not really a huge change, but itd come with huge improvements. Really that's all I think FW needs to play better.
John Psi Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance 1094	Posted - 2014.12.22 23:21:00 - [6] - Quote FW, as good teamwork mode, must be buffed. Please support fair play!
ACT1ON BASTARD Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 315	Posted - 2014.12.22 23:26:00 - [7] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: I've been playing cal FW lately and the rewards have been really lackluster when I'm not qsyncing. I usually get 1st place average 3k WP but still only 300 LP. Because of that I've been afking because there's no point in playing if I'm putting in all the work and still losing while my teams doing nothing but sitting in the redline. But you can't really blame them. So I'm proposing we give top players bonuses, this will only effect the losing team and afkers. GÇó1st-3rd place will receive normal payout for their efforts GÇó4th-10th get a little extra in payout GÇólast 6 get normal losing payout GÇó this will help with afkers 0 WP gets you no LP you heard right No LP!! I know boosters will love it, but boosters can be caught, and afkers will have to drop an uplink in the redline or whatever they do but its not so easy as deploying and turning the turbo on anymore. Maybe then there will be some competition within the team to do some work. Umm no. Just make losing pay ZERO ANYTHING. The guys that are not worth their weight will quit playing because they are sick of feeling screwed. Less players in FW, umm no. This isn't a 2nd pc platform , its pc for everyone .
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 16219	Posted - 2014.12.22 23:28:00 - [8] - Quote ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: Less players in FW, umm no. This isn't a 2nd pc platform , its pc for everyone . No its currently a joke. *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
ACT1ON BASTARD Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 315	Posted - 2014.12.22 23:30:00 - [9] - Quote True Adamance wrote: ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: Less players in FW, umm no. This isn't a 2nd pc platform , its pc for everyone . No its currently a joke. Explain.
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 1431	Posted - 2014.12.22 23:37:00 - [10] - Quote ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: True Adamance wrote: ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: Less players in FW, umm no. This isn't a 2nd pc platform , its pc for everyone . No its currently a joke. Explain. Allowing blueberries to select all 4 sides so they just fill in teams and get stomped into the ground and hand over hard earned districts. Making district selection for battles based on a mechanic they refuse to talk about. Generating a disproportionate amount of defense contracts once a certain level of ownership is reached. Rewarding AFKers that are intentionally there to never leave the MCC even more so than pub contracts. Giving back normal orbitals to FW when no OB without Eve support was totally unique to FW and worked amazingly. Tho not experienced by me personally, Increased levels of lag nearing old PC levels. I could think of more if I was really being anal but that is a list of highlights.

deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 1431	Posted - 2014.12.22 23:38:00 - [11] - Quote Oh and allowing rumors to run rampant that 00:00 means FW is "turned off" without a single statement from CCP explaining what is actually the case. This one is especially damaging to the entire FW community.
ACT1ON BASTARD Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 315	Posted - 2014.12.22 23:41:00 - [12] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: True Adamance wrote: ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: Less players in FW, umm no. This isn't a 2nd pc platform , its pc for everyone . No its currently a joke. Explain. Allowing blueberries to select all 4 sides so they just fill in teams and get stomped into the ground and hand over hard earned districts. Making district selection for battles based on a mechanic they refuse to talk about. Generating a disproportionate amount of defense contracts once a certain level of ownership is reached. Rewarding AFKers that are intentionally there to never leave the MCC even more so than pub contracts. Giving back normal orbitals to FW when no OB without Eve support was totally unique to FW and worked amazingly. Tho not experienced by me personally, Increased levels of lag nearing old PC levels. I could think of more if I was really being anal but that is a list of highlights. Yeah that should all be fixed too.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 16222	Posted - 2014.12.22 23:49:00 - [13] - Quote ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: True Adamance wrote: ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: Less players in FW, umm no. This isn't a 2nd pc platform , its pc for everyone . No its currently a joke. Explain. Let me ask you this. Which Empire do you fight for? *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
ACT1ON BASTARD Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 316	Posted - 2014.12.23 00:09:00 - [14] - Quote True Adamance wrote: ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: True Adamance wrote: ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: Less players in FW, umm no. This isn't a 2nd pc platform , its pc for everyone . No its currently a joke. Explain. Let me ask you this. Which Empire do you fight for? No f'n clue. Does it matter?
2Berries Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 446	Posted - 2014.12.23 00:20:00 - [15] - Quote It matters to the empress, which means it matters to true. Have you considered a career in costumed aggression?
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 16222	Posted - 2014.12.23 00:44:00 - [16] - Quote ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: True Adamance wrote: ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: True Adamance wrote: ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: Less players in FW, umm no. This isn't a 2nd pc platform , its pc for everyone . No its currently a joke. Explain. Let me ask you this. Which Empire do you fight for? No f'n clue. Does it matter? That's my point. You don't care. The fact that you can simply fight for whoever you want with no repercussions, at will, and with no means to regulate you presence in the Militia group means that FW is a joke. People at one time were loyal to factions but as soon as LP was introduced it became a farmers paradise. Frankly being on both sides (EVE and Dust) Dusters don't deserve the right to affect the warzone. Most of the Dust players could care less. See - https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=184285&p=2 Posts #2 and #32 are this kind of mind set. As Dust players we should care about furthering the agendas of these EVE players otherwise what incentive do they ever have to care about us? More over FW should be incentivised so that we care about being aligned with one Militia group and do not need to operate outside out faction. I doubt many FW players in Dust could describe the Warzone, explain which systems are worth having and why, where the major factions are based, what militia targets are, hell most players didn't know that the Amarr just became the 3rd faction to successfully control the whole warzone (as the Minmatar have not yet achieved this) #Remember the Dalamo That's a huge achievement and while Dust players are quick to dismiss it even the Min EVE side militia, all but the saltiest who ran from the fights, accept the efforts of Amarr pilots and are congratulate them. But its the fact that as players we attribute militia success to owning a random number of districts in a random assortment of systems, where you face random teams, arbitrarily selected from X queuing players in pointless 16vs 16 battles..... That's not an achievement. Nor is Q-syncing 16 players vs a bunch of randoms. You are not fighting a conflict, you are playing a game (which arguably is the point). There is no desperation to hold systems, aid your factions plexing efforts, or deplex the enemies efforts. But here is the crux of my argument. The game mode is....... FW Factional Warfare FACTIONAL Warfare FACTIONAL FACTIONAL! we are rewarded with LP Loyalty Points LOYALTY POINTS LOYALTY LOYALTY! Put them together and you get FACTIONAL LOYALTY! The basis on which FW should be founded but fails spectacularly to achieve. *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
Edau Skir2 Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 166	Posted - 2014.12.23 01:13:00 - [17] - Quote So....what about us people who like to use certain weapons, only have the skills to ADV at most and want to use the next tier? Obviously, Aurum is not an option. So we play fw. I'm Matari primarily, but if I want a proto Sniper/Rail Rifle, you're damn right I'll play Cal for a while. Resident pasty smasher
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 16226	Posted - 2014.12.23 01:24:00 - [18] - Quote Edau Skir2 wrote: So....what about us people who like to use certain weapons, only have the skills to ADV at most and want to use the next tier? Obviously, Aurum is not an option. So we play fw. I'm Matari primarily, but if I want a proto Sniper/Rail Rifle, you're damn right I'll play Cal for a while. But that's the point. In EVE and Dust you simply can't do that. You can go and plex on the front of your ally but you earn Amarr LP (if Samira is to be believed) but you do not gain access to their LP store until you earn LP for their faction. If you want Caldari Navy Missiles and you aren't in their militia you have to buy them on the market (a key balancing factor of EVE as LP to ISK conversion dictates how much support factions receive at any given time) and at the same time prop up the FW economy. So under you model you are a Minmatar player. You can only fight and instigate changes in your own warzone vs the Amarr. You can work with the Gallente in theirs but earn Minmatar LP. You effectively only have access to your own LP store. If you want Gallente Navy Ships or Ammo you buy them on the market or from a contact. You cannot fight for the State as they are your de facto enemies and as you progress in the Min/Gal warzones you reduce your standing significantly with the State. You want their missiles you buy them or defect to the Caldari/ Amarr alliance. Need ISK? Export Min LP items and buy CalMil Items. FW will never have a meaningful presence or really deserve to affect EVE online if you cannot work by the same mechanics EVE pilots do. Sure you can defect or play mercenary but you can only side with one faction at a time, working with that faction adjusts standardings, and can lock out massive sections of High Sec space, and means that enemy militia can kill you anywhere. *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
Edau Skir2 Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 166	Posted - 2014.12.23 01:32:00 - [19] - Quote I've joined Amarr FW before in eve.... Nvm, I see your point. One faction at a time, not all four at a whim Resident pasty smasher
ACT1ON BASTARD Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 316	Posted - 2014.12.23 01:43:00 - [20] - Quote @True Adamance.Sounds cool, never played Eve so ill leave that for someone else to answer.Im caldari/amarr loyal so that'd be fine with me.It'd keep people more locked into their faction whether winning or losing and keep people in their racial suits. I still don't see your point why we can't get some bonus for placing high in the leaderboard

Edau Skir2 Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 168	Posted - 2014.12.23 01:53:00 - [21] - Quote Well, it would appear Cal have some damn good players atm. 15 player q-sync, Grupo de Asalto Chacal. The other guy on their team kept trying to take Charlie on his own. Your shotgun is no match for my MH-82! Thank you for the wp's Alex! Resident pasty smasher
ACT1ON BASTARD Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 316	Posted - 2014.12.23 05:35:00 - [22] - Quote Bump
ACT1ON BASTARD Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 316	Posted - 2014.12.23 20:49:00 - [23] - Quote Bump
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5117	Posted - 2014.12.23 20:54:00 - [24] - Quote Honestly, FacWar still just needs some ISK. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 20488	Posted - 2014.12.23 20:54:00 - [25] - Quote There really ought to be something in FW that incentivises making an effort. Getting the same reward for AFKing as for making a heroic carrying effort is silly. Sometimes, one just has an overwhelming urge to throw a potato at someone.
ACT1ON BASTARD Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 316	Posted - 2014.12.23 21:24:00 - [26] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Honestly, FacWar still just needs some ISK. I think it should stay as an isk sink. So many matches we get redlined people automatically give up and just stay in the redline teamkilling whatever. So give people bonuses for trying to pull their team, that's all I think Fw needs right now. That and better matchmaking, cause somehow cal/amarr get flooded w new players and gal/min get full squads everytime.
ACT1ON BASTARD Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 317	Posted - 2014.12.23 23:07:00 - [27] - Quote Bump for Dev opinion
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5522	Posted - 2014.12.23 23:09:00 - [28] - Quote Buff winning side, yes! Buff losing side, no! Buffing losing side payouts would lead to even more passive behavior. Low payouts ensure that only the best are running decent gear.
ACT1ON BASTARD Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 317	Posted - 2014.12.23 23:12:00 - [29] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Buff winning side, yes! Buff losing side, no! Buffing losing side payouts would lead to even more passive behavior. How? You wont get the bonus wo getting high on the scoreboard.
Zindorak G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1434	Posted - 2014.12.23 23:13:00 - [30] - Quote Yea i know right, im trying to grind for the Gal Scout BPO and 1.2k per match isn't very good Pokemon master and Tekken Lord Give me da iskiez Gk0 Scout yay :)

Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5522	Posted - 2014.12.23 23:28:00 - [31] - Quote ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Buff winning side, yes! Buff losing side, no! Buffing losing side payouts would lead to even more passive behavior. How? You wont get the bonus wo getting high on the scoreboard. That's true, it would have helped if I'd read it. I'll punch myself in the junk. Low payouts ensure that only the best are running decent gear.
2Berries Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 447	Posted - 2014.12.23 23:42:00 - [32] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: I'll punch myself in the junk. Remember, the community is always here to help! Have you considered a career in costumed aggression?
Heimdallr69 Amarr Templars 4029	Posted - 2014.12.23 23:52:00 - [33] - Quote ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: I've been playing cal FW lately and the rewards have been really lackluster when I'm not qsyncing. I usually get 1st place average 3k WP but still only 300 LP. Because of that I've been afking because there's no point in playing if I'm putting in all the work and still losing while my teams doing nothing but sitting in the redline. But you can't really blame them. So I'm proposing we give top players bonuses, this will only effect the losing team and afkers. GÇó1st-3rd place will receive normal payout for their efforts GÇó4th-10th get a little extra in payout GÇólast 6 get normal losing payout GÇó this will help with afkers 0 WP gets you no LP you heard right No LP!! I know boosters will love it, but boosters can be caught, and afkers will have to drop an uplink in the redline or whatever they do but its not so easy as deploying and turning the turbo on anymore. Maybe then there will be some competition within the team to do some work. I read AV and shitmypants... Glad I looked again, good post. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
ACT1ON BASTARD Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 319	Posted - 2014.12.24 00:18:00 - [34] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: I've been playing cal FW lately and the rewards have been really lackluster when I'm not qsyncing. I usually get 1st place average 3k WP but still only 300 LP. Because of that I've been afking because there's no point in playing if I'm putting in all the work and still losing while my teams doing nothing but sitting in the redline. But you can't really blame them. So I'm proposing we give top players bonuses, this will only effect the losing team and afkers. GÇó1st-3rd place will receive normal payout for their efforts GÇó4th-10th get a little extra in payout GÇólast 6 get normal losing payout GÇó this will help with afkers 0 WP gets you no LP you heard right No LP!! I know boosters will love it, but boosters can be caught, and afkers will have to drop an uplink in the redline or whatever they do but its not so easy as deploying and turning the turbo on anymore. Maybe then there will be some competition within the team to do some work. I read AV and shitmypants... Glad I looked again, good post. Yeah thanks, devs will probly never read it seeing as how the servers are down and all. FW is definitely no a main priority for them right now.
ACT1ON BASTARD Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 335	Posted - 2014.12.24 20:45:00 - [35] - Quote Bump
ACT1ON BASTARD Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 336	Posted - 2014.12.25 03:43:00 - [36] - Quote Bump


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