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Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
1349
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Posted - 2014.12.22 16:58:00 -
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Ok, which is better? In my opinion the Burst AR is a ton better.
With the projectile vs shields problems, you can see yourself throwing away half a clip just to get through someones glitched,, warping shields where as the Burst AR melts through shields and is quite good at taking out armor as well. The burst doesn't have major hit detection problems with armor like CR has problems with shields.
Burst AR also has a much larger clip. (larger clip than my CR on a proto min assault).
Discuss.
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duster 35000
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
125
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Posted - 2014.12.22 17:10:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Ok, which is better? In my opinion the Burst AR is a ton better.
With the projectile vs shields problems, you can see yourself throwing away half a clip just to get through someones glitched,, warping shields where as the Burst AR melts through shields and is quite good at taking out armor as well. The burst doesn't have major hit detection problems with armor like CR has problems with shields.
Burst AR also has a much larger clip. (larger clip than my CR on a proto min assault).
Discuss.
People have more armor than shields so CR wity 125% efficiency would be better off.
Choo Choo
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Vesta Opalus
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
268
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Posted - 2014.12.22 17:16:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Ok, which is better? In my opinion the Burst AR is a ton better.
With the projectile vs shields problems, you can see yourself throwing away half a clip just to get through someones glitched,, warping shields where as the Burst AR melts through shields and is quite good at taking out armor as well. The burst doesn't have major hit detection problems with armor like CR has problems with shields.
Burst AR also has a much larger clip. (larger clip than my CR on a proto min assault).
Discuss.
Please let CCP know your hard evidence that shields are magically harder to hit than armor.
Duster is right, armor meta heavily favors combat rifle, but the assault burst is alot better than it used to be now that they changed it to have quicker bursts, so its viable. |
Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
1349
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Posted - 2014.12.22 17:19:00 -
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duster 35000 wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Ok, which is better? In my opinion the Burst AR is a ton better.
With the projectile vs shields problems, you can see yourself throwing away half a clip just to get through someones glitched,, warping shields where as the Burst AR melts through shields and is quite good at taking out armor as well. The burst doesn't have major hit detection problems with armor like CR has problems with shields.
Burst AR also has a much larger clip. (larger clip than my CR on a proto min assault).
Discuss. People have more armor than shields so CR wity 125% efficiency would be better off.
Have you never shot a CR at a target with like 200 shields that strafes like a mofo? it takes a day to get trough that B.S.
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duster 35000
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
125
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Posted - 2014.12.22 17:24:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:duster 35000 wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Ok, which is better? In my opinion the Burst AR is a ton better.
With the projectile vs shields problems, you can see yourself throwing away half a clip just to get through someones glitched,, warping shields where as the Burst AR melts through shields and is quite good at taking out armor as well. The burst doesn't have major hit detection problems with armor like CR has problems with shields.
Burst AR also has a much larger clip. (larger clip than my CR on a proto min assault).
Discuss. People have more armor than shields so CR wity 125% efficiency would be better off. Have you never shot a CR at a target with like 200 shields that strafes like a mofo? it takes a day to get trough that B.S.
True, but most armor tank so...
Choo Choo
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Soldner VonKuechle
SAM-MIK
General Tso's Alliance
1049
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Posted - 2014.12.22 17:26:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:duster 35000 wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Ok, which is better? In my opinion the Burst AR is a ton better.
With the projectile vs shields problems, you can see yourself throwing away half a clip just to get through someones glitched,, warping shields where as the Burst AR melts through shields and is quite good at taking out armor as well. The burst doesn't have major hit detection problems with armor like CR has problems with shields.
Burst AR also has a much larger clip. (larger clip than my CR on a proto min assault).
Discuss. People have more armor than shields so CR wity 125% efficiency would be better off. Have you never shot a CR at a target with like 200 shields that strafes like a mofo? it takes a day to get trough that B.S.
Yes hit detection is super wonky again.
I can unload a rail rifle mag into an armor heavy and not scratch it.
Better optimize hit detection!
Why are all of you so intellectually inept?
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Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
1349
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Posted - 2014.12.22 17:41:00 -
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duster 35000 wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:duster 35000 wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Ok, which is better? In my opinion the Burst AR is a ton better.
With the projectile vs shields problems, you can see yourself throwing away half a clip just to get through someones glitched,, warping shields where as the Burst AR melts through shields and is quite good at taking out armor as well. The burst doesn't have major hit detection problems with armor like CR has problems with shields.
Burst AR also has a much larger clip. (larger clip than my CR on a proto min assault).
Discuss. People have more armor than shields so CR wity 125% efficiency would be better off. Have you never shot a CR at a target with like 200 shields that strafes like a mofo? it takes a day to get trough that B.S. True, but most armor tank so...
They'll probably drop you before you even get through their shields, unless he's using a CR too. Then enjoy jumping around and trying to get through each others shields and wait for someone to come around and kill you.
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Mejt0
Fat'Kids are Hard to Kidnap
604
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Posted - 2014.12.22 18:03:00 -
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CR is still better.
Not only because 80% of player base armor/double tank, but shooting with CR feels much better and smoother.
Also CR gets through shields better than Burst AR gets through armor.
Caldari Loyalist
Markiplier fan.
Got 6815 WP only on wrecking tanks with Ion Cannon.
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Jakkal Shoobah
DAT TAC THO
19
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Posted - 2014.12.22 18:06:00 -
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Another possible solution is to use a commando with both the burst at and Cr ;) It is major try hard mode in cqc but at midrange nothing can come close to the raw firepower. Besides kin cat heavys. . Those are not your friends.
Jakkal "Jammal" Shoobah,
The friendly/pissy Gallente Commando/Assault
Assault Rifles til I get stomped to the ground
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Assert Dominance III
0bamacare
7
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Posted - 2014.12.22 18:10:00 -
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both are good. burst feels smoother tho.
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KING CHECKMATE
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
6466
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Posted - 2014.12.22 18:16:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Ok, which is better? In my opinion the Burst AR is a ton better.
With the projectile vs shields problems, you can see yourself throwing away half a clip just to get through someones glitched,, warping shields where as the Burst AR melts through shields and is quite good at taking out armor as well. The burst doesn't have major hit detection problems with armor like CR has problems with shields.
Burst AR also has a much larger clip. (larger clip than my CR on a proto min assault).
Discuss.
The only heavy shield tankers are Caldaris.
Flux nade + Any Combat Rifle will let you decimate anything in a matter of 2-4 seconds.
SCR PISTOL + Any CR , same..
The Burst AR is pretty good , yes , but the damage profile on the CR is better.
-5% shields +10% armor > +10% Shields -10% Armor
Plus, dont forget the ridiculously LOW fitting requirements of the Combat Rifles....
Unless You are running a Gallente Assault ,the CR is a better choice IMO.
Amarrian Born And State Patriot.
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KING CHECKMATE
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
6466
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Posted - 2014.12.22 18:17:00 -
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Jakkal Shoobah wrote:Another possible solution is to use a commando with both the burst at and Cr ;) It is major try hard mode in cqc but at midrange nothing can come close to the raw firepower.
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Amarrian Born And State Patriot.
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zzZaXxx
The Exemplars
708
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Posted - 2014.12.22 18:23:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Ok, which is better? In my opinion the Burst AR is a ton better.
With the projectile vs shields problems, you can see yourself throwing away half a clip just to get through someones glitched,, warping shields where as the Burst AR melts through shields and is quite good at taking out armor as well. The burst doesn't have major hit detection problems with armor like CR has problems with shields.
Burst AR also has a much larger clip. (larger clip than my CR on a proto min assault).
Discuss. The only heavy shield tankers are Caldaris. Flux nade + Any Combat Rifle will let you decimate anything in a matter of 2-4 seconds. SCR PISTOL + Any CR , same..The Burst AR is pretty good , yes , but the damage profile on the CR is better.-5% shields +10% armor > +10% Shields -10% Armor Plus, dont forget the ridiculously LOW fitting requirements of the Combat Rifles.... Unless You are running a Gallente Assault ,the CR is a better choice IMO.
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duster 35000
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
126
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Posted - 2014.12.22 18:42:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Ok, which is better? In my opinion the Burst AR is a ton better.
With the projectile vs shields problems, you can see yourself throwing away half a clip just to get through someones glitched,, warping shields where as the Burst AR melts through shields and is quite good at taking out armor as well. The burst doesn't have major hit detection problems with armor like CR has problems with shields.
Burst AR also has a much larger clip. (larger clip than my CR on a proto min assault).
Discuss. The only heavy shield tankers are Caldaris. Flux nade + Any Combat Rifle will let you decimate anything in a matter of 2-4 seconds. SCR PISTOL + Any CR , same..The Burst AR is pretty good , yes , but the damage profile on the CR is better.-15% shields +15 (?)% armor > +10% Shields -10% Armor Plus, dont forget the ridiculously LOW fitting requirements of the Combat Rifles.... Unless You are running a Gallente Assault ,the CR is a better choice IMO.
fixed.
Choo Choo
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
2741
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Posted - 2014.12.22 18:53:00 -
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They both feel pretty good to me. Depends on who I'm going up against as to which is better, though. |
Vrain Matari
Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
2418
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Posted - 2014.12.22 19:06:00 -
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The BuAR is now a good solid reliable rifle. Maybe in contention for the best all rounder light weapon.
But given the number of armor tanked Assaults, Scouts and heavies out there the CR is hard to put down.
PSN: RationalSpark
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Bojo The Mighty
Condor Squad
5344
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Posted - 2014.12.22 19:31:00 -
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Well I can spot the Burst AR from my overview map so compared to the CR it gives it's position away; but Burst AR would be hands down better if not for armor meta
Bojo For CPM
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Piercing Serenity
PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies
777
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Posted - 2014.12.22 19:39:00 -
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In terms of an "all-purpose" tool, Burst AR. It has a great damage profile that will allow it to preform pretty well in any type of HP meta. Moreover, it has a much more fluid firing mechanic than it did before that has vastly improved it.
In terms of maximum potential, Combat rifle. Using a CR with a Min Assault is much better than a Burst AR on a Gal Assault, largely due to the Galente bonus not doing much to boost the Burst AR. With a Min Assault you have the ability put out a higher DPS and the ability to engage your target longer than the Burst AR can do. Moreover, as Mejt0 mentioned, the CR eats through armor better than the Burst AR eats through shields.
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Best Corps Battled (Personally): Imperfects, TeamPlayers, Hellstorm
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
8940
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Posted - 2014.12.22 22:11:00 -
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Lol, King Checkmate derpin around as usual.
CCP holds the Caldari's hand so this doesn't happen again.
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White-Lion
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
62
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Posted - 2014.12.22 22:21:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Ok, which is better? In my opinion the Burst AR is a ton better.
With the projectile vs shields problems, you can see yourself throwing away half a clip just to get through someones glitched,, warping shields where as the Burst AR melts through shields and is quite good at taking out armor as well. The burst doesn't have major hit detection problems with armor like CR has problems with shields.
To be fair, I would say that the combat rifle is better IFF (if and only if) you pair it with flux grenades. It makes for a killer combo, but it lacks in ammo and a short clip. Although, the AR is may seem better, the kick/bullet spread on a non-gallente suit might be the biggest down fall of the weapon (which is why I speced in to the Gal assault  ).
My advice is use the opposite race for the weapon you use EX: CR=flux or AR=Locus
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TritusX
PH4NT0M5
70
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Posted - 2014.12.22 22:35:00 -
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Thing is, I don't understand this hard to hit shields thing. I ran a Cal Ass back then on a alt to test RR b/c im a noob and tanked on shields up to 500 mark? Hit up the heavy suits too and guess what? Die from everything. SL-4 Assault RR vs BK-42 ACR? ACR rips my shields anyway. I can't do anything about it. It just goes through so fast. Yeah, burst AR is great, but the CR for me somehow does it
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Francois Sanchez
Prima Gallicus
206
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Posted - 2014.12.22 22:47:00 -
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TritusX wrote:Thing is, I don't understand this hard to hit shields thing. I ran a Cal Ass back then on a alt to test RR b/c im a noob and tanked on shields up to 500 mark? Hit up the heavy suits too and guess what? Die from everything. SL-4 Assault RR vs BK-42 ACR? ACR rips my shields anyway. I can't do anything about it. It just goes through so fast. Yeah, burst AR is great, but the CR for me somehow does it
It's because you're not a strafing scrub, CR has a fine hit detection as long as the target doesn't dance like many players currently do. If the target strafes a bit, the CR just can't get through the shield anymore |
Mejt0
Fat'Kids are Hard to Kidnap
608
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Posted - 2014.12.23 13:46:00 -
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Francois Sanchez wrote:TritusX wrote:Thing is, I don't understand this hard to hit shields thing. I ran a Cal Ass back then on a alt to test RR b/c im a noob and tanked on shields up to 500 mark? Hit up the heavy suits too and guess what? Die from everything. SL-4 Assault RR vs BK-42 ACR? ACR rips my shields anyway. I can't do anything about it. It just goes through so fast. Yeah, burst AR is great, but the CR for me somehow does it It's because you're not a strafing scrub, CR has a fine hit detection as long as the target doesn't dance like many players currently do. If the target strafes a bit, the CR just can't get through the shield anymore
Strafing died along with aim assistance update.
Also, hitting strafing players with CR is as easy as with every other gun in this game.
Caldari Loyalist
Markiplier fan.
Got 6815 WP only on wrecking tanks with Ion Cannon.
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TYCHUS MAXWELL
The Fun Police
775
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Posted - 2014.12.23 21:05:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Ok, which is better? In my opinion the Burst AR is a ton better.
With the projectile vs shields problems, you can see yourself throwing away half a clip just to get through someones glitched,, warping shields where as the Burst AR melts through shields and is quite good at taking out armor as well. The burst doesn't have major hit detection problems with armor like CR has problems with shields.
Burst AR also has a much larger clip. (larger clip than my CR on a proto min assault).
Discuss.
You also forgot the Burst AR now has 6 more damage per shot with only 6 less meters in range. Hands down Burst AR. |
CUSE WarLord
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
287
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Posted - 2014.12.23 21:10:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Ok, which is better? In my opinion the Burst AR is a ton better.
With the projectile vs shields problems, you can see yourself throwing away half a clip just to get through someones glitched,, warping shields where as the Burst AR melts through shields and is quite good at taking out armor as well. The burst doesn't have major hit detection problems with armor like CR has problems with shields.
Burst AR also has a much larger clip. (larger clip than my CR on a proto min assault).
Discuss. tac AR beats all those guns
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
3261
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Posted - 2014.12.23 21:47:00 -
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Burst AR: More DPS, range, clip size, and max ammo.
"Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
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I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
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