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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
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Posted - 2014.12.21 05:08:00 -
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I don't mean to complain but I honestly don't understand why. The Gallente probably get the least benefit from them because on addition to having slow armored suits they have regular stamina. Every other race gets more of a benefit; the Minmatar get their naturally fast suits augmented, the Caldari get a boost of speed to their armor mod-less suits and the Amarr make good use of their high stamina.
The Gallente honestly see the least benefit from equipping the mod. I think it makes more sense for us, Gallente, to have the Myofibril Stimulant rather than the Kinetic Catalyzer because we are more CQC oriented and the Minmatar rely more on speed.
From a lore and gameplay view, the Kinetic Catalyzer being Gallente makes no sense.
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
9190
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Posted - 2014.12.21 05:10:00 -
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They're really supposed to be regen tanked with an above average armor buffer.
I know a lot of Gal assaults that only run a plate or two with a kincat, and then stack rep and damage mods.
Get in close fast, hit hard, and rep between fights. Pure Amor tanking is amarrian crap.
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
6506
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Posted - 2014.12.21 05:16:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:They're really supposed to be regen tanked with an above average armor buffer.
I know a lot of Gal assaults that only run a plate or two with a kincat, and then stack rep and damage mods.
Get in close fast, hit hard, and rep between fights. Pure Amor tanking is amarrian crap.
True, on my Gallente Assault I run reactives and ferroscale only. The deal is that even with that the Minmatar Assault and Caldari Assault tend to be a lot faster in combat. And since Kinetic Catalyzers only help you when sprinting the Gallente don't really get much of anything from it in combat unless they are a scout with a shotgun.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
16177
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Posted - 2014.12.21 05:17:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I don't mean to complain but I honestly don't understand why. The Gallente probably get the least benefit from them because on addition to having slow armored suits they have regular stamina. Every other race gets more of a benefit; the Minmatar get their naturally fast suits augmented, the Caldari get a boost of speed to their armor mod-less suits and the Amarr make good use of their high stamina.
The Gallente honestly see the least benefit from equipping the mod. I think it makes more sense for us, Gallente, to have the Myofibril Stimulant rather than the Kinetic Catalyzer because we are more CQC oriented and the Minmatar rely more on speed.
From a lore and gameplay view, the Kinetic Catalyzer being Gallente makes no sense.
Well arguably if you subscribe to EVE doctrines Kin Cats are prop modules and should be in the high slots.
Almost all ships in EVE use prop mods to boost their speed and make them harder to hit. Some do this more than others like the Imperial Navy Slicer with moves roughly at 3209m/s and 4500+m/s when over heated making it one of the fastest ships in New Eden.
In EVE there rarely is the differentiation of speed between armour and shield. Instead the differences come from your skills, the hull, which kind of prop mod you are using.
In Dust I use a Kin Cat on my Amarr Assault to run about 8.0m/s and using an Active Scanner I can kite around other players and pick them off rather easily.
Any notions that the Gallente and Minmatar are limited to CQC or are a CQC race is utter bullshit.
Min have Arty, have some fast ships, some slow ships, some armour tanked ships, some shield tanked ships.
Gallente have Blasters for CQC and Railguns and Drones for Long range combat. They have fast ships, they have slow ships, they have armour tanked ships, hell go out to Null of Gal FW and you'll see shield tanked Ishtar's.
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Clone D
Grundstein Automation
1139
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Posted - 2014.12.21 05:22:00 -
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I speed tanked a proto gal assault the other day and it wrecked!
1, You benefit from getting onto the scene quickly
2. You benefit from hip fire (faster than time to aim down sight)
3. You benefit from scouts unable to catch up to you and attack your back
It is a wicked build if you are all amped up on mountain dew.
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MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
1791
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Posted - 2014.12.21 05:30:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I don't mean to complain but I honestly don't understand why. The Gallente probably get the least benefit from them because on addition to having slow armored suits they have regular stamina. Every other race gets more of a benefit; the Minmatar get their naturally fast suits augmented, the Caldari get a boost of speed to their armor mod-less suits and the Amarr make good use of their high stamina.
The Gallente honestly see the least benefit from equipping the mod. I think it makes more sense for us, Gallente, to have the Myofibril Stimulant rather than the Kinetic Catalyzer because we are more CQC oriented and the Minmatar rely more on speed.
From a lore and gameplay view, the Kinetic Catalyzer being Gallente makes no sense. Well arguably if you subscribe to EVE doctrines Kin Cats are prop modules and should be in the high slots. Almost all ships in EVE use prop mods to boost their speed and make them harder to hit. Some do this more than others like the Imperial Navy Slicer with moves roughly at 3209m/s and 4500+m/s when over heated making it one of the fastest ships in New Eden. In EVE there rarely is the differentiation of speed between armour and shield. Instead the differences come from your skills, the hull, which kind of prop mod you are using. In Dust I use a Kin Cat on my Amarr Assault to run about 8.0m/s and using an Active Scanner I can kite around other players and pick them off rather easily. Any notions that the Gallente and Minmatar are limited to CQC or are a CQC race is utter bullshit. Min have Arty, have some fast ships, some slow ships, some armour tanked ships, some shield tanked ships. Gallente have Blasters for CQC and Railguns and Drones for Long range combat. They have fast ships, they have slow ships, they have armour tanked ships, hell go out to Null of Gal FW and you'll see shield tanked Ishtar's.
Actually true, speed is highly dependent upon mass and how many newtons of thrust your engines provide (both are visible stats in eve, but they have a lot of math done to them). Minmatar ships have very little mass and relatively high thrust, slapping on an afterburner/mwd onto them speeds them up significantly because they have more newtons of thrust added. Caldari ships have a lot of mass for their 'size' which makes them some of the slower ships. Gallente ships are actually have pretty high thrust and lighter armor, Amarr have relatively high mass but somewhat comparable mass.
An armor plate which adds mass directly, slows the minmatar down the most (because it adds the most mass proportional to thrust) and the amarr down the least (because they already have really high thrust proportional to mass).
Gallente and Minmatar do fast fairly well, but they also have a few slowboats too. Caldari and Amarr generally do not into fast, unless it's being used to keep range.
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
6508
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Posted - 2014.12.21 05:54:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I don't mean to complain but I honestly don't understand why. The Gallente probably get the least benefit from them because on addition to having slow armored suits they have regular stamina. Every other race gets more of a benefit; the Minmatar get their naturally fast suits augmented, the Caldari get a boost of speed to their armor mod-less suits and the Amarr make good use of their high stamina.
The Gallente honestly see the least benefit from equipping the mod. I think it makes more sense for us, Gallente, to have the Myofibril Stimulant rather than the Kinetic Catalyzer because we are more CQC oriented and the Minmatar rely more on speed.
From a lore and gameplay view, the Kinetic Catalyzer being Gallente makes no sense. Well arguably if you subscribe to EVE doctrines Kin Cats are prop modules and should be in the high slots. Almost all ships in EVE use prop mods to boost their speed and make them harder to hit. Some do this more than others like the Imperial Navy Slicer with moves roughly at 3209m/s and 4500+m/s when over heated making it one of the fastest ships in New Eden. In EVE there rarely is the differentiation of speed between armour and shield. Instead the differences come from your skills, the hull, which kind of prop mod you are using. In Dust I use a Kin Cat on my Amarr Assault to run about 8.0m/s and using an Active Scanner I can kite around other players and pick them off rather easily. Any notions that the Gallente and Minmatar are limited to CQC or are a CQC race is utter bullshit. Min have Arty, have some fast ships, some slow ships, some armour tanked ships, some shield tanked ships. Gallente have Blasters for CQC and Railguns and Drones for Long range combat. They have fast ships, they have slow ships, they have armour tanked ships, hell go out to Null of Gal FW and you'll see shield tanked Ishtar's.
Adamance, I'm talking about Dust not EVE: Online. Dust 514 Gëá EVE.
In EVE the Gallente have long range weapons, in Dust that isn't true. In EVE the Gallente have armor and shield tanks, in Dust it's only armor and Reo tank.
We are talking two completely different games. You are trying to compare Forza to GTA V. Not happening.
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First Prophet
Followers of The Prophet
2156
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Posted - 2014.12.21 06:58:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:True Adamance wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I don't mean to complain but I honestly don't understand why. The Gallente probably get the least benefit from them because on addition to having slow armored suits they have regular stamina. Every other race gets more of a benefit; the Minmatar get their naturally fast suits augmented, the Caldari get a boost of speed to their armor mod-less suits and the Amarr make good use of their high stamina.
The Gallente honestly see the least benefit from equipping the mod. I think it makes more sense for us, Gallente, to have the Myofibril Stimulant rather than the Kinetic Catalyzer because we are more CQC oriented and the Minmatar rely more on speed.
From a lore and gameplay view, the Kinetic Catalyzer being Gallente makes no sense. Well arguably if you subscribe to EVE doctrines Kin Cats are prop modules and should be in the high slots. Almost all ships in EVE use prop mods to boost their speed and make them harder to hit. Some do this more than others like the Imperial Navy Slicer with moves roughly at 3209m/s and 4500+m/s when over heated making it one of the fastest ships in New Eden. In EVE there rarely is the differentiation of speed between armour and shield. Instead the differences come from your skills, the hull, which kind of prop mod you are using. In Dust I use a Kin Cat on my Amarr Assault to run about 8.0m/s and using an Active Scanner I can kite around other players and pick them off rather easily. Any notions that the Gallente and Minmatar are limited to CQC or are a CQC race is utter bullshit. Min have Arty, have some fast ships, some slow ships, some armour tanked ships, some shield tanked ships. Gallente have Blasters for CQC and Railguns and Drones for Long range combat. They have fast ships, they have slow ships, they have armour tanked ships, hell go out to Null of Gal FW and you'll see shield tanked Ishtar's. Adamance, I'm talking about Dust not EVE: Online. Dust 514 Gëá EVE. In EVE the Gallente have long range weapons, in Dust that isn't true. In EVE the Gallente have armor and shield tanks, in Dust it's only armor and Reo tank. We are talking two completely different games. You are trying to compare Forza to GTA V. Not happening.
In fairness, if you look at the top left, this is EVE: Dust514. Because it is based off EVE: Online, and that's where it gets its lore.
Normally, I think Adamance is a total nerd with an unsettling interest in roleplaying and almighty parental figures, who puts too much value in lore especially in place of gameplay, but you DID mention lore in your OP, so you had this coming.
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
6508
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Posted - 2014.12.21 07:06:00 -
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First Prophet wrote:[
In fairness, if you look at the top left, this is EVE: Dust514. Because it is based off EVE: Online, and that's where it gets its lore.
Normally, I think Adamance is a total nerd with an unsettling interest in roleplaying and almighty parental figures, who puts too much value in lore especially in place of gameplay, but you DID mention lore in your OP, so you had this coming.
I don't have anything against RP as long as you aren't.weird about it. It's just that Dust is almost completely different from EVE.
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First Prophet
Followers of The Prophet
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Posted - 2014.12.21 07:10:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:First Prophet wrote:[
In fairness, if you look at the top left, this is EVE: Dust514. Because it is based off EVE: Online, and that's where it gets its lore.
Normally, I think Adamance is a total nerd with an unsettling interest in roleplaying and almighty parental figures, who puts too much value in lore especially in place of gameplay, but you DID mention lore in your OP, so you had this coming. I don't have anything against RP as long as you aren't.weird about it. It's just that Dust is almost completely different from EVE.
Right, but you did say it didn't make sense lore wise for the Gallente to have kinecats, but technically it does.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.12.21 10:22:00 -
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As someone who runs dual kincats on my Galassault so I can actually move:
Wtf are you talking about? When you have the shortest range DUST weaponry, it's damned useful to be able to move. If you're running about with a rifle that has half the range of some of the others, you can't sit at range and hammer away at people, you have to move in close. Of course kincats are useful.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
16181
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Posted - 2014.12.21 10:36:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:First Prophet wrote:
In fairness, if you look at the top left, this is EVE: Dust514. Because it is based off EVE: Online, and that's where it gets its lore.
Normally, I think Adamance is a total nerd with an unsettling interest in roleplaying and almighty parental figures, who puts too much value in lore especially in place of gameplay, but you DID mention lore in your OP, so you had this coming.
I don't have anything against RP as long as you aren't.weird about it. It's just that Dust is almost completely different from EVE.
But its the same universe.
I honestly know why Dusters think they know better than CCP, or that they know better than EVE..... quite obviously we don't.
Of the two EVE is successful and Dust is not. Something is working over there that simply is not here.
You basically asked why would you fit speed modules onto armour suits. The answer is simple. So you don't have to spend twice as long running form place to place, so you have the mobility to sprit around at a fair speed and react faster to incoming fire. To close the gaps when necessary and lengthen the distance between your opponent and you.
Being able to traverse terrain rapidly to me is more valuable than any armour plate or repper.
Lore wise why do the Gallente need speed/propulsion/manoeuvrability modules?
Because they need to get into blaster range quickly as possible, to outmanoeuvre railguns and missile, and to ensure their opponent doesn't kite them outside of drone range,
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Nocturnal Soul
Primordial Threat
4833
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Posted - 2014.12.21 10:37:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:As someone who runs dual kincats on my Galassault so I can actually move:
Wtf are you talking about? When you have the shortest range DUST weaponry, it's damned useful to be able to move. If you're running about with a rifle that has half the range of some of the others, you can't sit at range and hammer away at people, you have to move in close. Of course kincats are useful.
To be fair 90% of firefights happen within 50m of a given area.
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Ekrano Fergus
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
70
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Posted - 2014.12.21 10:54:00 -
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Kincats seem closer to overdrive injectors than MWDs to me.
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Cat Merc
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
14012
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Posted - 2014.12.21 11:56:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:As someone who runs dual kincats on my Galassault so I can actually move:
Wtf are you talking about? When you have the shortest range DUST weaponry, it's damned useful to be able to move. If you're running about with a rifle that has half the range of some of the others, you can't sit at range and hammer away at people, you have to move in close. Of course kincats are useful. To be fair 90% of firefights happen within 50m of a given area.
Didn't you hear? 99% of statistics are made up!
Do I really have to point out how much running I do to get close to people, since they're sitting far away from me?
Also, 50m is still outside Plasma Rifle optimal lel
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Clone D
Grundstein Automation
1145
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Posted - 2014.12.21 12:14:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Do I really have to point out how much running I do to get close to people, since they're sitting far away from me?
Also, 50m is still outside Plasma Rifle optimal lel
This brings up an important point (to me).
The AR is not a mean weapon. It has assault in the name, but imo, it sucks at assaulting. It needs more bite at a longer range.
I am familiar with dispersion and how weapon damage works with the various stances.
Why do I have to run up into someone's face and aim at their face to use it well?
When I use it, I feel like I'm shooting sponges at my opponent, and I have lvl 5 Gal Assault, lvl 5 AR everything.
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Jack McReady
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.12.21 14:12:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:
Well arguably if you subscribe to EVE doctrines Kin Cats are prop modules and should be in the high slots.
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duster 35000
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
123
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Posted - 2014.12.21 14:14:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I don't mean to complain but I honestly don't understand why. The Gallente probably get the least benefit from them because on addition to having slow armored suits they have regular stamina. Every other race gets more of a benefit; the Minmatar get their naturally fast suits augmented, the Caldari get a boost of speed to their armor mod-less suits and the Amarr make good use of their high stamina.
The Gallente honestly see the least benefit from equipping the mod. I think it makes more sense for us, Gallente, to have the Myofibril Stimulant rather than the Kinetic Catalyzer because we are more CQC oriented and the Minmatar rely more on speed.
From a lore and gameplay view, the Kinetic Catalyzer being Gallente makes no sense.
I think that kincats should just also increase your walking speed as well.
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Jacques Cayton II
Kaalmayoti Warzone Control
1271
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Posted - 2014.12.21 14:37:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I don't mean to complain but I honestly don't understand why. The Gallente probably get the least benefit from them because on addition to having slow armored suits they have regular stamina. Every other race gets more of a benefit; the Minmatar get their naturally fast suits augmented, the Caldari get a boost of speed to their armor mod-less suits and the Amarr make good use of their high stamina.
The Gallente honestly see the least benefit from equipping the mod. I think it makes more sense for us, Gallente, to have the Myofibril Stimulant rather than the Kinetic Catalyzer because we are more CQC oriented and the Minmatar rely more on speed.
From a lore and gameplay view, the Kinetic Catalyzer being Gallente makes no sense.
No caldari have really low stamina. If you run speed on a Caldari suit your gonna need a cardiac reg.
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
6511
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Posted - 2014.12.21 15:14:00 -
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Jacques Cayton II wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I don't mean to complain but I honestly don't understand why. The Gallente probably get the least benefit from them because on addition to having slow armored suits they have regular stamina. Every other race gets more of a benefit; the Minmatar get their naturally fast suits augmented, the Caldari get a boost of speed to their armor mod-less suits and the Amarr make good use of their high stamina.
The Gallente honestly see the least benefit from equipping the mod. I think it makes more sense for us, Gallente, to have the Myofibril Stimulant rather than the Kinetic Catalyzer because we are more CQC oriented and the Minmatar rely more on speed.
From a lore and gameplay view, the Kinetic Catalyzer being Gallente makes no sense. No caldari have really low stamina. If you run speed on a Caldari suit your gonna need a cardiac reg.
Isn't it the same as Gallente?
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
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Posted - 2014.12.21 15:15:00 -
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duster 35000 wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I don't mean to complain but I honestly don't understand why. The Gallente probably get the least benefit from them because on addition to having slow armored suits they have regular stamina. Every other race gets more of a benefit; the Minmatar get their naturally fast suits augmented, the Caldari get a boost of speed to their armor mod-less suits and the Amarr make good use of their high stamina.
The Gallente honestly see the least benefit from equipping the mod. I think it makes more sense for us, Gallente, to have the Myofibril Stimulant rather than the Kinetic Catalyzer because we are more CQC oriented and the Minmatar rely more on speed.
From a lore and gameplay view, the Kinetic Catalyzer being Gallente makes no sense. I think that kincats should just also increase your walking speed as well. STD- 3% ADV- 5% PRO- 7%
No, that should be a totally different module. It should be Caldari.
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duster 35000
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.21 15:16:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:duster 35000 wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I don't mean to complain but I honestly don't understand why. The Gallente probably get the least benefit from them because on addition to having slow armored suits they have regular stamina. Every other race gets more of a benefit; the Minmatar get their naturally fast suits augmented, the Caldari get a boost of speed to their armor mod-less suits and the Amarr make good use of their high stamina.
The Gallente honestly see the least benefit from equipping the mod. I think it makes more sense for us, Gallente, to have the Myofibril Stimulant rather than the Kinetic Catalyzer because we are more CQC oriented and the Minmatar rely more on speed.
From a lore and gameplay view, the Kinetic Catalyzer being Gallente makes no sense. I think that kincats should just also increase your walking speed as well. STD- 3% ADV- 5% PRO- 7% No, that should be a totally different module. It should be Caldari.
Kincats are speed mods and have high req's, so it should be those.
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
6511
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Posted - 2014.12.21 15:19:00 -
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duster 35000 wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:duster 35000 wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I don't mean to complain but I honestly don't understand why. The Gallente probably get the least benefit from them because on addition to having slow armored suits they have regular stamina. Every other race gets more of a benefit; the Minmatar get their naturally fast suits augmented, the Caldari get a boost of speed to their armor mod-less suits and the Amarr make good use of their high stamina.
The Gallente honestly see the least benefit from equipping the mod. I think it makes more sense for us, Gallente, to have the Myofibril Stimulant rather than the Kinetic Catalyzer because we are more CQC oriented and the Minmatar rely more on speed.
From a lore and gameplay view, the Kinetic Catalyzer being Gallente makes no sense. I think that kincats should just also increase your walking speed as well. STD- 3% ADV- 5% PRO- 7% No, that should be a totally different module. It should be Caldari. Kincats are speed mods and have high req's, so it should be those.
Kincats are already incredibly useful for Speed Tanking, on suits that are good for Speed Tanking. I'll be the first to say that if I had 12.5Gëê increase on my Amarr Assault then Kincats would be broken as hell.
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