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Talos Vagheitan Ancient Exiles. 641	Posted - 2014.12.19 17:29:00 - [1] - Quote Numbers are up on Dust for now. The new updates are looking pretty awesome. With this recent surge in numbers, let's not squander this opportunity and scare off potential new players like we've always done. Create a LOW- Isk+SP reward game mode with only starter fits and no vehicles. Low risk, low reward, also have an SP cap on this game type. Say, 5 million total. Do it Who cares what some sniper has to say
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 6438	Posted - 2014.12.19 17:31:00 - [2] - Quote Talos Vagheitan wrote: Numbers are up on Dust for now. The new updates are looking pretty awesome. With this recent surge in numbers, let's not squander this opportunity and scare off potential new players like we've always done. Create a LOW- Isk+SP reward game mode with only starter fits and no vehicles. Low risk, low reward, also have an SP cap on this game type. Say, 5 million total. Do it +1 Amarr Logi, Scout, Assault , Sentinel and soon Commando. Check MY loyalty Empress o7
Crimson ShieId Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1627	Posted - 2014.12.19 17:34:00 - [3] - Quote I believe Ratatti said they were looking into something like this awhile back, making meta locked game modes and such that have lower payouts. Not sure how far along that particular idea is though, but I think we may be seeing it soon. I want to punch.
al nize mk2 No Skillz inc. 219	Posted - 2014.12.19 17:34:00 - [4] - Quote Talos Vagheitan wrote: Numbers are up on Dust for now. The new updates are looking pretty awesome. With this recent surge in numbers, let's not squander this opportunity and scare off potential new players like we've always done. Create a LOW- Isk+SP reward game mode with only starter fits and no vehicles. Low risk, low reward, also have an SP cap on this game type. Say, 5 million total. Do it buying an apex makes the game pretty much risk free for new players. isk making machines no matter what you do with it! GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥
Michael Epic Bragian Order Amarr Empire 378	Posted - 2014.12.19 17:36:00 - [5] - Quote That's the Standard Gear / Militia Gear mode I've been tweeting Ratatti about and been b!tching about for a year....
MrBlobz 123	Posted - 2014.12.19 17:39:00 - [6] - Quote al nize mk2 wrote: Talos Vagheitan wrote: Numbers are up on Dust for now. The new updates are looking pretty awesome. With this recent surge in numbers, let's not squander this opportunity and scare off potential new players like we've always done. Create a LOW- Isk+SP reward game mode with only starter fits and no vehicles. Low risk, low reward, also have an SP cap on this game type. Say, 5 million total. Do it buying an apex makes the game pretty much risk free for new players. isk making machines no matter what you do with it! The isk is not the problem. The real issue is a new player going 0/15 and never touching this game again( and telling all his friends how trash it is). (>'o')> #RollinGold <('o'<)
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game RUST415 1548	Posted - 2014.12.19 17:43:00 - [7] - Quote Michael Epic wrote: That's the Standard Gear / Militia Gear mode I've been tweeting Ratatti about and been b!tching about for a year.... Most have tried, do CCP not see the need for this ??!!??!! A Mlt server (SP capped) would be able to replace the Academy New players would deploy in actual battles, rather than the strange desolate Academy that is alt farmed 24/7 And booo-hooo the newb with 5mil SP will have an advantage over the guys with 500,000.. But at least the newer merc will see what Dust is like from game one rather than suffering though - An Academy that offers no training or indication on how they should begin their mercs training. We always complain about stupid blueberries, the fault lies with CCP
Talos Vagheitan Ancient Exiles. 643	Posted - 2014.12.19 17:46:00 - [8] - Quote Exactly. Starter fits only puts everyone on the same playing field. I would also propose auto-squadding individual players. No suit customization either. That would be restricted unless players entered public matches. After a few matches in starter fits only, a new player could be prompted with a message "Would you like to create a custom suit for use in public matches? " And taken to the fittings screen. When their suit is complete they would be told they would need to enter the more competitive Public Contracts in order to use their suit. Baby steps! This game would be much more enjoyable for newbs! Who cares what some sniper has to say
LHughes Dead Man's Game RUST415 201	Posted - 2014.12.19 17:48:00 - [9] - Quote What D1CK said. Not meta servers. If we have meta servers I will be in there everyday stomping noobs, gear is only a slight advantage. Game knowledge is OP This is a bold signature
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game RUST415 1549	Posted - 2014.12.19 17:49:00 - [10] - Quote Talos Vagheitan wrote: Exactly. Starter fits only puts everyone on the same playing field. I would also propose auto-squadding individual players. No suit customization either. That would be restricted unless players entered public matches. After a few matches in starter fits only, a new player could be prompted with a message "Would you like to create a custom suit for use in public matches? " And taken to the fittings screen. When their suit is complete they would be told they would need to enter the more competitive Public Contracts in order to use their suit. Baby steps! This game would be much more enjoyable for newbs! Booom! and the NPE is improved ten-fold with this minor change. Allowing Academy mercs alter fits was like handing a drunk your car keys ... Of course they were going to drive it!! just as scrubs have farmed the Academy.

TheD1CK Dead Man's Game RUST415 1549	Posted - 2014.12.19 17:53:00 - [11] - Quote LHughes wrote: What D1CK said. Not meta servers. If we have meta servers I will be in there everyday stomping noobs, gear is only a slight advantage. Game knowledge is OP Can confirm he would do this.. And so would I and every other experienced merc that got bored/burned in higher meta servers Dust mercs average 20 million SP at this stage I don't think it's gamebreaking to allow mercs well below 10m to escape fighting that What has been proven to be game-breaking is doing nothing about the NPE but here we are .... sigh
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 1101	Posted - 2014.12.19 18:03:00 - [12] - Quote No. Random blueberries are random. Only way we are gonna level the playing field is by inviting these randoms to our corps / squads etc and actually talking to them to explain stuff to them. Any form of tiered lobby is not going to make the random better. Nor is automatically throwing them into a squad. I do not think levelling the playing field like this will be enough. You can't force good habits and battle awareness into them. It must be taught. The key is to help them realise that's what they need to do to learn. Are they even gonna know they're in a squad? How many times have you joined a squad ad-hoc and the squad done nothing together as a squad during battle? Restrict battles in some way and watch the noobs get steam-rolled still. They just won't blame the proto...if they even recognise what that is. They need a corp. You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all. ~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
Thumb Green Raymond James Corp 1966	Posted - 2014.12.19 18:20:00 - [13] - Quote What is this surge you speak of? The numbers look roughly the same as before to me. [RYJC]
al nize mk2 No Skillz inc. 220	Posted - 2014.12.19 18:26:00 - [14] - Quote MrBlobz wrote: The isk is not the problem. The real issue is a new player going 0/15 and never touching this game again( and telling all his friends how trash it is). fair point - but the beauty of Dust is that it's difficult. You wouldn't want them to nerf dark souls so people stopped dying loads - just for example. Absolutely make the academy last longer - and make the game warn new players what awaits them in the real world of new eden. But don't go tiered with match making. it should be a free for all. it should be about sticking with it to get the rewards. I suggest more information within Merc Quarters. More warnings about the evil nature of life as a merc in New Eden. Make it known how much you are going to die when you try to take on better players. GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥
Pseudogenesis Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1086	Posted - 2014.12.19 18:35:00 - [15] - Quote I'm about as positive as you get for a Dust player but let's be real here, there is no "surge" in player count In fact the chart for new clones being born has been consistently decreasing for a while, although that's almost certainly due to the starting clone ISK being nerfed Stabby-stabber extraordinaire I stabbed Rattati once, you know.
Avinash Decker Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 159	Posted - 2014.12.19 18:37:00 - [16] - Quote Were did you get the information that there is a surge of new players ? It has been around 2500-3000 players for months now and it still is.
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 1104	Posted - 2014.12.19 18:39:00 - [17] - Quote al nize mk2 wrote: MrBlobz wrote: The isk is not the problem. The real issue is a new player going 0/15 and never touching this game again( and telling all his friends how trash it is). fair point - but the beauty of Dust is that it's difficult. You wouldn't want them to nerf dark souls so people stopped dying loads - just for example. Absolutely make the academy last longer - and make the game warn new players what awaits them in the real world of new eden. But don't go tiered with match making. it should be a free for all. it should be about sticking with it to get the rewards. I suggest more information within Merc Quarters. More warnings about the evil nature of life as a merc in New Eden. Make it known how much you are going to die when you try to take on better players. hehe yeah. Just watched a Valkyrie trailer thingy the other. They got Katee Sackhoff to say "harden the **** up". This is a mantra, albeit used too easily to dismiss ppls opinions. Also make it known why you are going to die when you try to take on better players. It's not just the suit. I've been wondering whether CCP plan to use the daily missions (apart from the obvious "just one more game" grind) to help noobs understand more things. Earn assists as a gunner in someone's vehicle. Hmmm.....how do I find someone to let me be a gunner...etc. Team-based battles aspect can be promoted with carrots You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all. ~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
Timtron Victory Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 104	Posted - 2014.12.19 18:46:00 - [18] - Quote I remember when I was a newbie, I was seeing 800HP Assault suits and couldnt fathom what the hell was going on haha Proud Christian Jesus Loves You
Atiim Titans of Phoenix 14609	Posted - 2014.12.19 18:47:00 - [19] - Quote Starter Fits only is bad because they're only Medium Frames. But while we're at it we should increase the Battle academy's WP Requirements from 3k to 100k where it used to be. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
al nize mk2 No Skillz inc. 222	Posted - 2014.12.19 18:49:00 - [20] - Quote IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: hehe yeah. Just watched a Valkyrie trailer thingy the other. They got Katee Sackhoff to say "harden the **** up". This is a mantra, albeit used too easily to dismiss ppls opinions. Also make it known why you are going to die when you try to take on better players. It's not just the suit. I've been wondering whether CCP plan to use the daily missions (apart from the obvious "just one more game" grind) to help noobs understand more things. Earn assists as a gunner in someone's vehicle. Hmmm.....how do I find someone to let me be a gunner...etc. Team-based battles aspect can be promoted with carrots Katee Sackhoff's in Valkyrie? Fantastic. I think you're right about the missions. If a new player is paying attention (not too much to ask) then they should be able to use missions to learn quickly. Plus the game needs to push you into squading with more experienced players right from the moment you leave the academy. Once I stepped into a proper squad it was like levelling up without levelling up if you know what I mean. GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥

Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 2328	Posted - 2014.12.19 19:14:00 - [21] - Quote al nize mk2 wrote: Talos Vagheitan wrote: Numbers are up on Dust for now. The new updates are looking pretty awesome. With this recent surge in numbers, let's not squander this opportunity and scare off potential new players like we've always done. Create a LOW- Isk+SP reward game mode with only starter fits and no vehicles. Low risk, low reward, also have an SP cap on this game type. Say, 5 million total. Do it buying an apex makes the game pretty much risk free for new players. isk making machines no matter what you do with it! apex suits are aweful for anyone but complete newbies under 2m sp.. for 2m sp you coudl get a standard/advanced mix minmaxed suit with better stats #[[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 2 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
Dubya Guy Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 129	Posted - 2014.12.19 19:21:00 - [22] - Quote Consider this thread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=184780&find=unread While it does not "force" new players into squads (I agree the Academy should teach more on that), it does provide for a sandbox where more-likely-to-be-solo noobs won't get q-sync squad-stomped. Will they still get killed by another player with better gear and more skillpoints? Yes. They should. That gives them a goal and perspective. But a flatter reward system and lack of squads and q-syncing will mean they don't get repeatedly killed by the same guys over and over again. At the same time, it doesn't have all the inherent problems of gear tiering AND provides a super-coordination game mode that will encourage them to squad up and/or join corps. FPS = First Person Support. Kills win battles but it's kinda hard to kill if you're dead and out of ammo.
Talos Vagheitan Ancient Exiles. 652	Posted - 2014.12.19 20:51:00 - [23] - Quote Getting killed by higher tiered players definitely doesn't give players a "goal and perspective". That's pure silliness. I fully believe in the tiered system, However I believe players should be allowed to gradually walk into the water, rather than dive right into the deep end. Who cares what some sniper has to say
Stupid Blueberry Hyasyoda Terrestrial Acquisitions Firm 724	Posted - 2014.12.19 21:02:00 - [24] - Quote IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: No. Random blueberries are random. Only way we are gonna level the playing field is by inviting these randoms to our corps / squads etc and actually talking to them to explain stuff to them. Any form of tiered lobby is not going to make the random better. Nor is automatically throwing them into a squad. I do not think levelling the playing field like this will be enough. You can't force good habits and battle awareness into them. It must be taught. The key is to help them realise that's what they need to do to learn. Are they even gonna know they're in a squad? How many times have you joined a squad ad-hoc and the squad do.ne nothing together as a squad during battle? Restrict battles in some way and watch the noobs get steam-rolled still. They just won't blame the proto...if they even recognise what that is. They need a corp. "Corporation recruitment tool" was on the roadmap for feb. last I checked. If it's like EVE's corp finder it will be an awesome buff to newberries and small corps alike Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Haajakin Kalen.
GLOBAL fils'de RAGE Consolidated Dust 90	Posted - 2014.12.19 21:14:00 - [25] - Quote LHughes wrote: What D1CK said. Not meta servers. If we have meta servers I will be in there everyday stomping noobs, gear is only a slight advantage. Game knowledge is OP you are an idiot on top of being a lagger. yes, your "skillz" are based upon lag. is stomping noobs a way to fill some emotional deficit? did daddy and mommy not feed you while hiding you, from society, in the dark scarry closet? go back into the closet and reflect upon the absolute absurdity of noob stomping. when they fix latency your kill record will have a red asterisk denoting a serial lagger.
TEBOW BAGGINS GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING 1432	Posted - 2014.12.19 21:19:00 - [26] - Quote MrBlobz wrote: al nize mk2 wrote: Talos Vagheitan wrote: Numbers are up on Dust for now. The new updates are looking pretty awesome. With this recent surge in numbers, let's not squander this opportunity and scare off potential new players like we've always done. Create a LOW- Isk+SP reward game mode with only starter fits and no vehicles. Low risk, low reward, also have an SP cap on this game type. Say, 5 million total. Do it buying an apex makes the game pretty much risk free for new players. isk making machines no matter what you do with it! The isk is not the problem. The real issue is a new player going 0/15 and never touching this game again( and telling all his friends how trash it is). that's a personal problem- a severe lack of basic FPS skills. if they go 0/15 in academy they shouldn't even be playing an online shooter to begin with. AKA Zirzo Valcyn AFKing since 2012
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 1122	Posted - 2014.12.20 00:05:00 - [27] - Quote TEBOW BAGGINS wrote: MrBlobz wrote: al nize mk2 wrote: Talos Vagheitan wrote: Numbers are up on Dust for now. The new updates are looking pretty awesome. With this recent surge in numbers, let's not squander this opportunity and scare off potential new players like we've always done. Create a LOW- Isk+SP reward game mode with only starter fits and no vehicles. Low risk, low reward, also have an SP cap on this game type. Say, 5 million total. Do it buying an apex makes the game pretty much risk free for new players. isk making machines no matter what you do with it! The isk is not the problem. The real issue is a new player going 0/15 and never touching this game again( and telling all his friends how trash it is). that's a personal problem- a severe lack of basic FPS skills. if they go 0/15 in academy they shouldn't even be playing an online shooter to begin with. lol. apart from the obvious elitism oozing from your pores, you would also appear to assume that no alts are present in the academy battles. Why wouldn't you give a terribad noob some tips? It's in your interests to change his mind. Sheesh. You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all. ~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
robin williams' ghost Damaged Beyond Repair Learning Alliance 302	Posted - 2014.12.20 00:13:00 - [28] - Quote I wouldn't worry about new players sticking around anyways if their first experience of the game is constant dc's and server crashes.... Robin Williams endorses this corp
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1610	Posted - 2014.12.20 00:51:00 - [29] - Quote Something like this, yes. People would enjoy Dust a lot more if they accepted the fact that EVERYTHING is subject to change
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5500	Posted - 2014.12.20 00:57:00 - [30] - Quote Talos Vagheitan wrote: Exactly. Starter fits only puts everyone on the same playing field. I would also propose auto-squadding individual players. No suit customization either. That would be restricted unless players entered public matches. After a few matches in starter fits only, a new player could be prompted with a message "Would you like to create a custom suit for use in public matches? " And taken to the fittings screen. When their suit is complete they would be told they would need to enter the more competitive Public Contracts in order to use their suit. Baby steps! This game would be much more enjoyable for newbs! The removal of auto squading destroyed the best NPE thing Dust has ever had going for it. Only4-5KDRpubbiesCanRunADV24/7\|PCplyrsRunPRO&smashSTD/MLTplyrs24/7. ThisIsHowIt'sAlwaysBeen,ThereforeMustStayThisWay.



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