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Alena Ventrallis wrote:

Atiim wrote:

Tanks in real life are far from un-killable.

That aside, I believe that RL situations does need to be applied to certain areas (ie, we should still be affected by gravity) but at the same time using RL situations to guage how powerful an item should be is terrible (see: 80GJ Turrets).

Current American military tech can reliably disable a T-72 tank. I'm sure there have been advances in tank tech that we do t know about.

To educate on "killing tanks..."

There are 3 kinds of tank kills. A turret kill, a mobility kill, and a catastrophic kill. Turret kill means you've destroyed the main turret, but this does nothing to stop the tanks other weapons, or have the tank crew hop out and kill you, or simply run the infantry over (tank crews refer to infantry as crunches for a reason) Mobility kill means you've destroyed the tanks ability to move. Of course, it can still blast the bejeezus out of you with the main turret, and the tank crew can dismount and kill you still. A catastrophic kill means you've utterly destroyed the tanks ability to function, period. If you hit the ammunition stores and detonate them inside the tank, or drop a specialized tank busting bomb on them, or in some way make the tank not worth its weight in scrap metal. For the record, there are plenty of videos on the internet of M-1 Abrams hitting anti-tank mines and being flipped perpendicular to the ground (tank is basically point straight in the air balancing on its ass end) landing back on the treads and driving off.

So yes, they are not unkillable, but you either have some damn good explosives or be a damn good shot and hit the munitions. They are not to be taken lightly, in any case.

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pagl1u M Dead Man's Game RUST415 1134	Posted - 2014.12.19 00:56:00 - [1] - Quote take a breath Hello everyone, may I ask you something? Would you all please be so nice that you NEVER AGAIN USE RL THINGS WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT DUST? I keep hearing stupid things like: "a minigun in rl destroys everything" "a tank in rl is unkillable" We dont give a duck about rl things, we are bilancing a game, it has nothing to do with real life. Thank you. One of the few assaults you'll find in a PC match!
Vicious Minotaur 1519	Posted - 2014.12.19 01:04:00 - [2] - Quote I will continue to use real life examples when discussing vehicles. The only way vehicles will be worth a damn is if they emulate REAL LIFE roles. So, your advice is duly noted, and ignored. =ƒÜ+ may contain an opinion I am a minotaur. a+üa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa+üa¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça+üa+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+üa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa+üa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ë
Spademan Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5122	Posted - 2014.12.19 01:04:00 - [3] - Quote Both of those statements are wrong. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 16126	Posted - 2014.12.19 01:09:00 - [4] - Quote pagl1u M wrote: take a breath Hello everyone, may I ask you something? Would you all please be so nice that you NEVER AGAIN USE RL THINGS WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT DUST? I keep hearing stupid things like: "a minigun in rl destroys everything" "a tank in rl is unkillable" We dont give a duck about rl things, we are balancing a game, it has nothing to do with real life. Thank you. That depends currently Rattati is talking about Tank in a thread and the roles they might have...... well the days where tanks had roles is long since passed. The time when specific armoured vehicles had roles was last century such as the Mobile Anti Aircraft Gun, the Light and Medium Cruiser Tanks, Tank Destroyers, and Heavy Infantry Tanks..... In order to explain what that means real world examples must be provided. For example the Marauder is more of less what a PzKpfw VI .H or a KV-85 was. Big, slow, and hard to knock out. The Enforcer is what a Jagdtiger or ISU-122 was. A large gun mounted on a self propelled hull. Etc. In many respects I understand what you mean when you say this. It is not real world mechanics that are being applied here......but in order to determine roles, functions, etc we may draw from what we know. *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
TritusX PH4NT0M5 67	Posted - 2014.12.19 01:16:00 - [5] - Quote in rl no one respawns so screw this game we get one chance to live Let the blood drip from my knife onto your wound that gapes from- wait there's no gore or blood in this game nvm
Operative 1125 Lokaas True Companion Planetary Requisitions 648	Posted - 2014.12.19 01:23:00 - [6] - Quote pagl1u M wrote: take a breath Hello everyone, may I ask you something? Would you all please be so nice that you NEVER AGAIN USE RL THINGS WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT DUST? I keep hearing stupid things like: "a minigun in rl destroys everything" "a tank in rl is unkillable" We dont give a duck about rl things, we are bilancing a game, it has nothing to do with real life. Thank you. It does matter for comparative purposes. For instance, how should a weapon work vs. the situations presented in the game etc. and due to RL being a basis for the things in game. Just FYI, in RL a nerf hammer completely obliterates everything in a 3 mile radius. Boycott Black Thursday!
Operative 1125 Lokaas True Companion Planetary Requisitions 648	Posted - 2014.12.19 01:26:00 - [7] - Quote TritusX wrote: in rl no one respawns so screw this game we get one chance to live These guys do: http://www.history.com/news/history-lists/6-american-heroes-of-wwi Boycott Black Thursday!
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 18050	Posted - 2014.12.19 01:29:00 - [8] - Quote Sorry but IRL things are great basis for sourcing new inspiration from. BTW Science fiction requires a dash of IRL. Unlike Science Fantasy which does not. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
PLAYSTTION GamersForChrist 380	Posted - 2014.12.19 01:45:00 - [9] - Quote TritusX wrote: in rl no one respawns so screw this game we get one chance to live Ah ah ah! We transfer consciousness, not respawn. Gassault Calogi - Ranked #763 on the forums `- Open Beta Vet - 32mil sp - - GFC, GJR Approved -`
Atiim Titans of Phoenix 14593	Posted - 2014.12.19 01:51:00 - [10] - Quote Tanks in real life are far from un-killable. That aside, I believe that RL situations does need to be applied to certain areas (ie, we should still be affected by gravity) but at the same time using RL situations to guage how powerful an item should be is terrible. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 16131	Posted - 2014.12.19 01:59:00 - [11] - Quote Atiim wrote: Tanks in real life are far from un-killable. That aside, I believe that RL situations does need to be applied to certain areas (ie, we should still be affected by gravity) but at the same time using RL situations to guage how powerful an item should be is terrible. I doubt there has ever been a conflict in history where more Tanks have been lost than infantrymen....... *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
pagl1u M Dead Man's Game RUST415 1136	Posted - 2014.12.19 01:59:00 - [12] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Sorry but IRL things are great basis for sourcing new inspiration from. Yes exactly. RL can teach us things but we cannot ever use it for bilancing purpose. I hope it is clear for everyone. One of the few assaults you'll find in a PC match!
Atiim Titans of Phoenix 14594	Posted - 2014.12.19 02:01:00 - [13] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Atiim wrote: Tanks in real life are far from un-killable. That aside, I believe that RL situations does need to be applied to certain areas (ie, we should still be affected by gravity) but at the same time using RL situations to guage how powerful an item should be is terrible. I doubt there has ever been a conflict in history where more Tanks have been lost than infantrymen....... anything and everything will kill a person. I also doubt that there's ever been a conflict in history were more Tanks were used than Infantry. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3186	Posted - 2014.12.19 02:07:00 - [14] - Quote People don't actually fire mini guns from the hip, IRL Tanks are killable with a single missile, a flamethrower, a landline, etc in real life. "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 18051	Posted - 2014.12.19 02:19:00 - [15] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Atiim wrote: Tanks in real life are far from un-killable. That aside, I believe that RL situations does need to be applied to certain areas (ie, we should still be affected by gravity) but at the same time using RL situations to guage how powerful an item should be is terrible. I doubt there has ever been a conflict in history where more Tanks have been lost than infantrymen....... anything and everything will kill a person. Tanks are on the endangered military list of platforms thanks to high precision missiles and how penetrators and armor defeaters are quickly outpacing tank defenses. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
Bahirae Serugiusu Vendetta Reactionary Force 394	Posted - 2014.12.19 02:36:00 - [16] - Quote pagl1u M wrote: I keep hearing stupid things like: "a minigun in rl destroys everything" "a tank in rl is unkillable" 1. People can't carry a Minigun and fire them and have full use of their arms afterwards. It was considered a feat when someone fired a .50 Caliber Machine Gun in WW2 unassisted. 2. Tanks are fully destructible. The State will always survive.
Hakyou Brutor Titans of Phoenix 1859	Posted - 2014.12.19 02:38:00 - [17] - Quote i bet you wouldnt say that to my face in rl you might be talented, but you're not hak
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 16131	Posted - 2014.12.19 02:39:00 - [18] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: True Adamance wrote: Atiim wrote: Tanks in real life are far from un-killable. That aside, I believe that RL situations does need to be applied to certain areas (ie, we should still be affected by gravity) but at the same time using RL situations to guage how powerful an item should be is terrible. I doubt there has ever been a conflict in history where more Tanks have been lost than infantrymen....... anything and everything will kill a person. Tanks are on the endangered military list of platforms thanks to high precision missiles and how penetrators and armor defeaters are quickly outpacing tank defenses. Pretty much. *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
gustavo acosta Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 599	Posted - 2014.12.19 02:39:00 - [19] - Quote The point is balancing should not be based on real life. Why? Because this is a relatively competitive game where we need not be bothered by such unpleasantries as RL 40 yrd shotguns, and instant permanent death. Sure we can base roles and functions off of real life things, but that in no way constitutes reasoning to go copying how things are in real life to a video game. GimmeDatSuhWeet isk
Powerh8er The Rainbow Effect 577	Posted - 2014.12.19 03:03:00 - [20] - Quote Yeah lets just create this game into a fantasy battlefield where everything is comfortable, balanced, fair and gay.

Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 18051	Posted - 2014.12.19 03:04:00 - [21] - Quote gustavo acosta wrote: The point is balancing should not be based on real life. Why? Because this is a relatively competitive game where we need not be bothered by such unpleasantries as RL 40 yrd shotguns, and instant permanent death. Sure we can base roles and functions off of real life things, but that in no way constitutes reasoning to go copying how things are in real life to a video game. and you're right Balance numbers specifically should not be diverted from IRL. Battle relationships on how a game attempting to simulate a battlefield in a 400year post dysprosia era should be based on logical sensing of known best solution battle works. For example history has immensely proven over and over and over again that tanks without infantry support get slaughtered. Dust 514 has held up to this rather well in some aspects. Solo tanks are dealt with in a laughing manner usually save for the shield tanking HAVs lately. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
pagl1u M Dead Man's Game RUST415 1138	Posted - 2014.12.19 03:20:00 - [22] - Quote Powerh8er wrote: Yeah lets just create this game into a fantasy battlefield where everything is comfortable, balanced, fair and gay. Everytime you post on the forum I think you are stupid but this may be the dumbest thing you have said so far. One of the few assaults you'll find in a PC match!
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 18051	Posted - 2014.12.19 03:24:00 - [23] - Quote For those wanting a score board of tanks destroyed in the Yom Koppu war. Probably the largest armored battle in modern history. Israel 1700 tanks committed 3000 armored vehicles. 945 artillery 440 combat aircraft 1063 tanks lost 407 armored vehicles lost 387 aircraft lost Opposition Forces (Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Jordan, Morocco, North Korea, Cuba, Kuwait, Saudi-Arabia, Tunisia (would include Russia but they were not on the front lines)) 4600 tanks committed 4000 armored vehicles 150 missile artillery 600 artillery 104 naval ships 2300 tanks destroyed 514 aircraft destroyed 19 naval ships sunk CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 16134	Posted - 2014.12.19 03:56:00 - [24] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: For those wanting a score board of tanks destroyed in the Yom Kippur war. Probably the largest armored war in modern history. Israel 1700 tanks committed 3000 armored vehicles. 945 artillery 440 combat aircraft 1063 tanks lost 407 armored vehicles lost 387 aircraft lost 2800 infantry killed. Opposition Forces (Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Jordan, Morocco, North Korea, Cuba, Kuwait, Saudi-Arabia, Tunisia, +others (would include Russia but they were not on the front lines)) 4600 tanks committed 4000 armored vehicles 150 missile artillery 600 artillery 104 naval ships 592 combat aircraft 2300 tanks destroyed 514 aircraft destroyed 19 naval ships sunk 18000 infantry killed. They did a number on that coalition that's for sure. *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
Powerh8er The Rainbow Effect 577	Posted - 2014.12.19 07:17:00 - [25] - Quote pagl1u M wrote: Powerh8er wrote: Yeah lets just create this game into a fantasy battlefield where everything is comfortable, balanced, fair and gay. Everytime you post on the forum I think you are stupid but this may be the dumbest thing you have said so far. Ditto.
GLOBAL fils'de RAGE Consolidated Dust 87	Posted - 2014.12.19 08:15:00 - [26] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: gustavo acosta wrote: The point is balancing should not be based on real life. Why? Because this is a relatively competitive game where we need not be bothered by such unpleasantries as RL 40 yrd shotguns, and instant permanent death. Sure we can base roles and functions off of real life things, but that in no way constitutes reasoning to go copying how things are in real life to a video game. and you're right Balance numbers specifically should not be diverted from IRL. Battle relationships on how a game attempting to simulate a battlefield in a 400year post dysprosia era should be based on logical sensing of known best solution battle works. For example history has immensely proven over and over and over again that tanks without infantry support get slaughtered. Dust 514 has held up to this rather well in some aspects. Solo tanks are dealt with in a laughing manner usually save for the shield tanking HAVs lately. for example: 73 Easting...you are such an idiot.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 5862	Posted - 2014.12.19 08:44:00 - [27] - Quote pagl1u M wrote: take a breath Hello everyone, may I ask you something? Would you all please be so nice that you NEVER AGAIN USE RL THINGS WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT DUST? I keep hearing stupid things like: "a minigun in rl destroys everything" "a tank in rl is unkillable" We dont give a duck about rl things, we are bilancing a game, it has nothing to do with real life. Thank you. Dear God you must live in an interesting fantasy world where people actually listen to you. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.

ChribbaX Otherworld Enterprises Dust Control Otherworld Empire Productions 1402	Posted - 2014.12.19 08:50:00 - [28] - Quote Since we shouldn't influx RL stuff - can I have a jetpack already? DUSTSearch DUSTBoard DUST Server Status

Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 14004	Posted - 2014.12.19 09:07:00 - [29] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: For those wanting a score board of tanks destroyed in the Yom Kippur war. Probably the largest armored war in modern history. Israel 1700 tanks committed 3000 armored vehicles. 945 artillery 440 combat aircraft 1063 tanks lost 407 armored vehicles lost 387 aircraft lost 2800 infantry killed. Opposition Forces (Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Jordan, Morocco, North Korea, Cuba, Kuwait, Saudi-Arabia, Tunisia, +others (would include Russia but they were not on the front lines)) 4600 tanks committed 4000 armored vehicles 150 missile artillery 600 artillery 104 naval ships 592 combat aircraft 2300 tanks destroyed 514 aircraft destroyed 19 naval ships sunk 18000 infantry killed. They did a number on that coalition that's for sure. At a major cost though. Israel was THAT close to using its nuclear arsenal. I'm not joking, we had nuclear warheads being armed and prepared to launch at any moment. That's how close it was to destruction. We basically told the US "Either you send military supplies our way so that we don't crumble, or we will use this last resort". Suddenly, dozens of cargo airplanes are on their way here with supplies. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++
shaman oga Dead Man's Game 3475	Posted - 2014.12.19 10:36:00 - [30] - Quote Partially agree, partially not. If EVE universe is sci-fi, then RL should be taken in consideration when creating content. If it is fantasy then not, but gameplay > everything. Situational awareness also known as passive scan.

Edau Skir2 Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 148	Posted - 2014.12.19 11:04:00 - [31] - Quote I'm with the op. This game is not comparable to real life. If you say thing like, miniguns have a spool up, or rifles kick harder in rl, etc, also remember you're playing a game where your mind changes body at the point of death due to AN IMPLANT. How's that for real life comparability? End of discussion. Peace out biznitches o7 Resident pasty smasher
itssnowingon me Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4	Posted - 2014.12.19 11:05:00 - [32] - Quote In real likfe my iron man drop suit would be invincible1
CrotchGrab 360 1676	Posted - 2014.12.19 11:22:00 - [33] - Quote When you say real life, you mean Earth, right? Well we're not on earth, we're in space. How can we determine how something should work in space? Draw conclusions. Where from? NEW EDEN. How would any of this function in New Eden, that's all that matters. DUST VIDEOS
m621 zma 231	Posted - 2014.12.19 13:47:00 - [34] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Sorry but IRL things are great basis for sourcing new inspiration from. BTW Science fiction requires a dash of IRL. Unlike Science Fantasy which does not. Again you are wrong science fantasy uses the 'science' to give realism to things that are impossible. Whereas science fiction uses the 'science' to give realism to things that are improbable.
Anaksha Venom Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.12.19 17:58:00 - [35] - Quote Bahirae Serugiusu wrote: pagl1u M wrote: I keep hearing stupid things like: "a minigun in rl destroys everything" "a tank in rl is unkillable" 1. People can't carry a Minigun and fire them and have full use of their arms afterwards. It was considered a feat when someone fired a .50 Caliber Machine Gun in WW2 unassisted. 2. Tanks are fully destructible. 1. wrong look at this http://www.military.com/video/guns/machine-guns/woman-shoots-minigun-from-hip/3763568136001/ modem miniguns are fireable from the hip and with there alloy contruction weigh less than the old steel ma duce. 1 thing I would like to ad is look at the min drop sites looks like a exoscoloton to me. 2 correct as stated earlier there becoming out dated think guided hybrid laser.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 18069	Posted - 2014.12.19 20:36:00 - [36] - Quote The HMG is not a minigun. Has more common to size to this thing with a smaller drum (current drum is for 2k rounds) http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/44/M61_Vulcan.jpg CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
GLOBAL fils'de RAGE Consolidated Dust 90	Posted - 2014.12.20 03:59:00 - [37] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: The HMG is not a minigun. Has more common to size to this thing with a smaller drum (current drum is for 2k rounds) http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/44/M61_Vulcan.jpg This is a GUA-19, and it is a minigun, and a minigun is a gattling gun with an electric motor not hand cranked. One barrel is fired at a time, is accurate, does use a 7.62-.30mm, and is used because it aircools. RL is a bulwark against stupidity. PS: a rail gun does not recoil, the US NAVAL ACADEMY-WEAPONS DESIGN OFFICE has a 94pg PDF that you should read.
Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox 479	Posted - 2014.12.20 06:34:00 - [38] - Quote GLOBAL fils'de RAGE wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: The HMG is not a minigun. Has more common to size to this thing with a smaller drum (current drum is for 2k rounds) http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/44/M61_Vulcan.jpg Why would a technically advanced civilization use a pneumatically or hydraulically driven device? the HMG is a minigun, and a minigun is a gattling gun with an electric motor not hand cranked. One barrel is fired at a time, is accurate, does use a 7.62-.30mm, and is used because it aircools. RL is a bulwark against stupidity. PS: a rail gun does not recoil, the US NAVAL ACADEMY-WEAPONS DESIGN OFFICE has a 94pg PDF that you should read. technically the rail gun shouldn't recoil.......but you pack everything that makes it work into a small box or a gun....its more than likely going to recoil. *Elite Gallenten Soldier*
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 18075	Posted - 2014.12.20 06:55:00 - [39] - Quote GLOBAL fils'de RAGE wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: The HMG is not a minigun. Has more common to size to this thing with a smaller drum (current drum is for 2k rounds) http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/44/M61_Vulcan.jpg Why would a technically advanced civilization use a pneumatically or hydraulically driven device? the HMG is a minigun, and a minigun is a gattling gun with an electric motor not hand cranked. One barrel is fired at a time, is accurate, does use a 7.62-.30mm, and is used because it aircools. RL is a bulwark against stupidity. PS: a rail gun does not recoil, the US NAVAL ACADEMY-WEAPONS DESIGN OFFICE has a 94pg PDF that you should read. Why would a 21st century modern society continue to use fire, wheels and sticks? CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 18075	Posted - 2014.12.20 07:39:00 - [40] - Quote GLOBAL fils'de RAGE wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: gustavo acosta wrote: The point is balancing should not be based on real life. Why? Because this is a relatively competitive game where we need not be bothered by such unpleasantries as RL 40 yrd shotguns, and instant permanent death. Sure we can base roles and functions off of real life things, but that in no way constitutes reasoning to go copying how things are in real life to a video game. and you're right Balance numbers specifically should not be diverted from IRL. Battle relationships on how a game attempting to simulate a battlefield in a 400year post dysprosia era should be based on logical sensing of known best solution battle works. For example history has immensely proven over and over and over again that tanks without infantry support get slaughtered. Dust 514 has held up to this rather well in some aspects. Solo tanks are dealt with in a laughing manner usually save for the shield tanking HAVs lately. for example: 73 Easting...you are such an idiot. Last =/= greatest. Also reading the play by play; there were a crap tonn of mechanized infantry groups mentioned and infantry played a massive role in that battle. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked

Alena Ventrallis Vengeance Unbound 2312	Posted - 2014.12.20 08:16:00 - [41] - Quote Atiim wrote: Tanks in real life are far from un-killable. That aside, I believe that RL situations does need to be applied to certain areas (ie, we should still be affected by gravity) but at the same time using RL situations to guage how powerful an item should be is terrible (see: 80GJ Turrets). Current American military tech can reliably disable a T-72 tank. I'm sure there have been advances in tank tech that we do t know about. To educate on "killing tanks..." There are 3 kinds of tank kills. A turret kill, a mobility kill, and a catastrophic kill. Turret kill means you've destroyed the main turret, but this does nothing to stop the tanks other weapons, or have the tank crew hop out and kill you, or simply run the infantry over (tank crews refer to infantry as crunches for a reason) Mobility kill means you've destroyed the tanks ability to move. Of course, it can still blast the bejeezus out of you with the main turret, and the tank crew can dismount and kill you still. A catastrophic kill means you've utterly destroyed the tanks ability to function, period. If you hit the ammunition stores and detonate them inside the tank, or drop a specialized tank busting bomb on them, or in some way make the tank not worth its weight in scrap metal. For the record, there are plenty of videos on the internet of M-1 Abrams hitting anti-tank mines and being flipped perpendicular to the ground (tank is basically point straight in the air balancing on its ass end) landing back on the treads and driving off. So yes, they are not unkillable, but you either have some damn good explosives or be a damn good shot and hit the munitions. They are not to be taken lightly, in any case. Do not go gentle into that good night; Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 18075	Posted - 2014.12.20 10:13:00 - [42] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: Atiim wrote: Tanks in real life are far from un-killable. That aside, I believe that RL situations does need to be applied to certain areas (ie, we should still be affected by gravity) but at the same time using RL situations to guage how powerful an item should be is terrible (see: 80GJ Turrets). Current American military tech can reliably disable a T-72 tank. I'm sure there have been advances in tank tech that we do t know about. To educate on "killing tanks..." There are 3 kinds of tank kills. A turret kill, a mobility kill, and a catastrophic kill. Turret kill means you've destroyed the main turret, but this does nothing to stop the tanks other weapons, or have the tank crew hop out and kill you, or simply run the infantry over (tank crews refer to infantry as crunches for a reason) Mobility kill means you've destroyed the tanks ability to move. Of course, it can still blast the bejeezus out of you with the main turret, and the tank crew can dismount and kill you still. A catastrophic kill means you've utterly destroyed the tanks ability to function, period. If you hit the ammunition stores and detonate them inside the tank, or drop a specialized tank busting bomb on them, or in some way make the tank not worth its weight in scrap metal. For the record, there are plenty of videos on the internet of M-1 Abrams hitting anti-tank mines and being flipped perpendicular to the ground (tank is basically point straight in the air balancing on its ass end) landing back on the treads and driving off. So yes, they are not unkillable, but you either have some damn good explosives or be a damn good shot and hit the munitions. They are not to be taken lightly, in any case. The newest russian RPGs can catastrophically kill an Abrams/challenger. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
Hansei Kaizen The Jackson Five 309	Posted - 2014.12.20 10:39:00 - [43] - Quote I think rather than trying to emulate facts of our time in the game we should ask: what could the tech-level of New Eden provide the troops with? New Eden is like 50 000 years into the future, where civilisation has collapsed and was rebuilt again. There are obviously tiny warp-drives (as used in frigates), there are energy-fields and -shields, FTL communication, mini EMPs and nanobots and conciousness transfer, "easy" cloning, "easy" orbital bombardment, powerful combat drugs and neuro enhancers. Thinking about this, holy **, how can we judge ANYTHING that happens in this scenario? As a snap judgement I'd say that every combat tactic invented by mankind up to this day should be obsolete. With all this possibilities we should look more like the engineers from ALIEN and use weapons like the xenomorph for bio-warfare and **. What would I conclude: Dust wouldnt be fun this way. With our stupid heads we need resemblance of RL things that we saw movies about. So gimme tanks, gimme weapons, gimme killable targets. Even if its absolutely stupid if you think 5 seconds about it. To cater to our tiny minds these things should look somewhat like RL things and behave like RL things. So we have no choice but to use RL things as blueprints for the design of Dust. Sorry The answer to your complaint is PvE. Always. NPE status: (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Casual solo


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