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Edau Skir2
Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.12.19 11:04:00 -
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I'm with the op. This game is not comparable to real life. If you say thing like, miniguns have a spool up, or rifles kick harder in rl, etc, also remember you're playing a game where your mind changes body at the point of death due to AN IMPLANT.
How's that for real life comparability? End of discussion. Peace out biznitches o7
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itssnowingon me
Abandoned Privilege Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.12.19 11:05:00 -
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In real likfe my iron man drop suit would be invincible1 |
CrotchGrab 360
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Posted - 2014.12.19 11:22:00 -
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When you say real life, you mean Earth, right?
Well we're not on earth, we're in space. How can we determine how something should work in space? Draw conclusions. Where from? NEW EDEN.
How would any of this function in New Eden, that's all that matters.
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m621 zma
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Posted - 2014.12.19 13:47:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Sorry but IRL things are great basis for sourcing new inspiration from.
BTW Science fiction requires a dash of IRL.
Unlike Science Fantasy which does not.
Again you are wrong science fantasy uses the 'science' to give realism to things that are impossible.
Whereas science fiction uses the 'science' to give realism to things that are improbable.
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Anaksha Venom
Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.12.19 17:58:00 -
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Bahirae Serugiusu wrote:pagl1u M wrote: I keep hearing stupid things like: "a minigun in rl destroys everything" "a tank in rl is unkillable"
1. People can't carry a Minigun and fire them and have full use of their arms afterwards. It was considered a feat when someone fired a .50 Caliber Machine Gun in WW2 unassisted. 2. Tanks are fully destructible.
1. wrong look at this http://www.military.com/video/guns/machine-guns/woman-shoots-minigun-from-hip/3763568136001/ modem miniguns are fireable from the hip and with there alloy contruction weigh less than the old steel ma duce. 1 thing I would like to ad is look at the min drop sites looks like a exoscoloton to me. 2 correct as stated earlier there becoming out dated think guided hybrid laser. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2014.12.19 20:36:00 -
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The HMG is not a minigun.
Has more common to size to this thing with a smaller drum (current drum is for 2k rounds) http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/44/M61_Vulcan.jpg
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Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior
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GLOBAL fils'de RAGE
Consolidated Dust
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Posted - 2014.12.20 03:59:00 -
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This is a GUA-19, and it is a minigun, and a minigun is a gattling gun with an electric motor not hand cranked.
One barrel is fired at a time, is accurate, does use a 7.62-.30mm, and is used because it aircools.
RL is a bulwark against stupidity.
PS: a rail gun does not recoil, the US NAVAL ACADEMY-WEAPONS DESIGN OFFICE has a 94pg PDF that you should read. |
Racro 01 Arifistan
501st Knights of Leanbox
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Posted - 2014.12.20 06:34:00 -
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GLOBAL fils'de RAGE wrote:Why would a technically advanced civilization use a pneumatically or hydraulically driven device? the HMG is a minigun, and a minigun is a gattling gun with an electric motor not hand cranked. One barrel is fired at a time, is accurate, does use a 7.62-.30mm, and is used because it aircools. RL is a bulwark against stupidity. PS: a rail gun does not recoil, the US NAVAL ACADEMY-WEAPONS DESIGN OFFICE has a 94pg PDF that you should read.
technically the rail gun shouldn't recoil.......but you pack everything that makes it work into a small box or a gun....its more than likely going to recoil.
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2014.12.20 06:55:00 -
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GLOBAL fils'de RAGE wrote:Why would a technically advanced civilization use a pneumatically or hydraulically driven device? the HMG is a minigun, and a minigun is a gattling gun with an electric motor not hand cranked. One barrel is fired at a time, is accurate, does use a 7.62-.30mm, and is used because it aircools. RL is a bulwark against stupidity. PS: a rail gun does not recoil, the US NAVAL ACADEMY-WEAPONS DESIGN OFFICE has a 94pg PDF that you should read.
Why would a 21st century modern society continue to use fire, wheels and sticks?
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2014.12.20 07:39:00 -
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GLOBAL fils'de RAGE wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:gustavo acosta wrote:The point is balancing should not be based on real life. Why? Because this is a relatively competitive game where we need not be bothered by such unpleasantries as RL 40 yrd shotguns, and instant permanent death.
Sure we can base roles and functions off of real life things, but that in no way constitutes reasoning to go copying how things are in real life to a video game. and you're right Balance numbers specifically should not be diverted from IRL. Battle relationships on how a game attempting to simulate a battlefield in a 400year post dysprosia era should be based on logical sensing of known best solution battle works. For example history has immensely proven over and over and over again that tanks without infantry support get slaughtered. Dust 514 has held up to this rather well in some aspects. Solo tanks are dealt with in a laughing manner usually save for the shield tanking HAVs lately. for example: 73 Easting...you are such an idiot.
Last =/= greatest.
Also reading the play by play; there were a crap tonn of mechanized infantry groups mentioned and infantry played a massive role in that battle.
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Alena Ventrallis
Vengeance Unbound
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Posted - 2014.12.20 08:16:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Tanks in real life are far from un-killable.
That aside, I believe that RL situations does need to be applied to certain areas (ie, we should still be affected by gravity) but at the same time using RL situations to guage how powerful an item should be is terrible (see: 80GJ Turrets). Current American military tech can reliably disable a T-72 tank. I'm sure there have been advances in tank tech that we do t know about.
To educate on "killing tanks..."
There are 3 kinds of tank kills. A turret kill, a mobility kill, and a catastrophic kill. Turret kill means you've destroyed the main turret, but this does nothing to stop the tanks other weapons, or have the tank crew hop out and kill you, or simply run the infantry over (tank crews refer to infantry as crunches for a reason) Mobility kill means you've destroyed the tanks ability to move. Of course, it can still blast the bejeezus out of you with the main turret, and the tank crew can dismount and kill you still. A catastrophic kill means you've utterly destroyed the tanks ability to function, period. If you hit the ammunition stores and detonate them inside the tank, or drop a specialized tank busting bomb on them, or in some way make the tank not worth its weight in scrap metal. For the record, there are plenty of videos on the internet of M-1 Abrams hitting anti-tank mines and being flipped perpendicular to the ground (tank is basically point straight in the air balancing on its ass end) landing back on the treads and driving off.
So yes, they are not unkillable, but you either have some damn good explosives or be a damn good shot and hit the munitions. They are not to be taken lightly, in any case.
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2014.12.20 10:13:00 -
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Alena Ventrallis wrote:Atiim wrote:Tanks in real life are far from un-killable.
That aside, I believe that RL situations does need to be applied to certain areas (ie, we should still be affected by gravity) but at the same time using RL situations to guage how powerful an item should be is terrible (see: 80GJ Turrets). Current American military tech can reliably disable a T-72 tank. I'm sure there have been advances in tank tech that we do t know about. To educate on "killing tanks..." There are 3 kinds of tank kills. A turret kill, a mobility kill, and a catastrophic kill. Turret kill means you've destroyed the main turret, but this does nothing to stop the tanks other weapons, or have the tank crew hop out and kill you, or simply run the infantry over (tank crews refer to infantry as crunches for a reason) Mobility kill means you've destroyed the tanks ability to move. Of course, it can still blast the bejeezus out of you with the main turret, and the tank crew can dismount and kill you still. A catastrophic kill means you've utterly destroyed the tanks ability to function, period. If you hit the ammunition stores and detonate them inside the tank, or drop a specialized tank busting bomb on them, or in some way make the tank not worth its weight in scrap metal. For the record, there are plenty of videos on the internet of M-1 Abrams hitting anti-tank mines and being flipped perpendicular to the ground (tank is basically point straight in the air balancing on its ass end) landing back on the treads and driving off. So yes, they are not unkillable, but you either have some damn good explosives or be a damn good shot and hit the munitions. They are not to be taken lightly, in any case.
The newest russian RPGs can catastrophically kill an Abrams/challenger.
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Hansei Kaizen
The Jackson Five
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Posted - 2014.12.20 10:39:00 -
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I think rather than trying to emulate facts of our time in the game we should ask: what could the tech-level of New Eden provide the troops with?
New Eden is like 50 000 years into the future, where civilisation has collapsed and was rebuilt again.
There are obviously tiny warp-drives (as used in frigates), there are energy-fields and -shields, FTL communication, mini EMPs and nanobots and conciousness transfer, "easy" cloning, "easy" orbital bombardment, powerful combat drugs and neuro enhancers.
Thinking about this, holy ****, how can we judge ANYTHING that happens in this scenario? As a snap judgement I'd say that every combat tactic invented by mankind up to this day should be obsolete. With all this possibilities we should look more like the engineers from ALIEN and use weapons like the xenomorph for bio-warfare and ****.
What would I conclude: Dust wouldnt be fun this way. With our stupid heads we need resemblance of RL things that we saw movies about. So gimme tanks, gimme weapons, gimme killable targets. Even if its absolutely stupid if you think 5 seconds about it. To cater to our tiny minds these things should look somewhat like RL things and behave like RL things. So we have no choice but to use RL things as blueprints for the design of Dust. Sorry
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