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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.12.18 21:17:00 -
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This is not a condemnation of CCP because I understand businesses and there structure seeing as how I studied these things , nor am I complaining or trying to garner some sort of movement but just trying to understand if I'm just feeling this way or not and the fact that I actually care about Dust 514 and the well being of this game and it's participants that I make this or ask the question ... has it gotten to you ?
I play this game , not much because I don't have the free time that I had when I first found this and while playing and having to have to go threw the changes , not talking about how conditions are now but pre FF 2013 when things were prob in the beginning of what eventually lead up to the point were at now and things like vehicle designs were changed and you didn't have much of a selection in the dept of assault rifles and such and people weren't using RE's as grenades and you didn't see jihad jeepers , nether did you have a selection of heavies .
This game has changed in a short amount of time and I'm not complaining or saying that this went wrong but the implement of strong boxes and the fact that a key cost 800 aurum , is bothering me and taking away my feeling for playing this game .
I spend money like most of you and it just seems to be a moot point when most run around in fitted suits that while yes , they cost them real money ... they can fight and die 30 times and not have to pay a single ISK , I see them and I have to kill them but in my mind I just feel like it didn't even count and if I die I would be more likely to feel it and it's not a case of , " well get your own . " ... because there are those who have every fitting , all the load outs and BPO's including vehicle's , so it just not that simple .
It just seems to looses purpose and effects those who can't match that even a bit , or like I said ... " Maybe it's just me ." I just know that while I sit broke , these same people are racking in the ISK's hand over fist and if there opening strongboxes , there making even more of a killing and stretching the distance between themselves and the average players and it's not always instinct and skill that define this advantage .
It's just seeming like it's more about what's in your wallet then what's left on the field and that's what's bothering me at the moment .
I'm not trying to bash CCP like I said but it could get a little out of control if you allow it and right now it just seemed like too much was done without considerations to the changes in the environment .
I'm not knocking those who purchase BPO's but it does have an effect on the economy ( say that there's not one if you like but to me there is ) and it does matter when your faced against such .
Kind of makes the kills worthless because it's not effecting you like it does the whole economy .
Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
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Nocturnal Soul
Primordial Threat
4829
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Posted - 2014.12.18 21:23:00 -
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Td;lr
(Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ.
LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
1538
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Posted - 2014.12.18 21:27:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:Td;lr Do you just come to my post to do that ?
That seems like the norm for you .
Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
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TYCHUS MAXWELL
The Fun Police
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Posted - 2014.12.18 21:34:00 -
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:This is not a condemnation of CCP because I understand businesses and there structure seeing as how I studied these things , nor am I complaining or trying to garner some sort of movement but just trying to understand if I'm just feeling this way or not and the fact that I actually care about Dust 514 and the well being of this game and it's participants that I make this or ask the question ... has it gotten to you ?
I play this game , not much because I don't have the free time that I had when I first found this and while playing and having to have to go threw the changes , not talking about how conditions are now but pre FF 2013 when things were prob in the beginning of what eventually lead up to the point were at now and things like vehicle designs were changed and you didn't have much of a selection in the dept of assault rifles and such and people weren't using RE's as grenades and you didn't see jihad jeepers , nether did you have a selection of heavies .
This game has changed in a short amount of time and I'm not complaining or saying that this went wrong but the implement of strong boxes and the fact that a key cost 800 aurum , is bothering me and taking away my feeling for playing this game .
I spend money like most of you and it just seems to be a moot point when most run around in fitted suits that while yes , they cost them real money ... they can fight and die 30 times and not have to pay a single ISK , I see them and I have to kill them but in my mind I just feel like it didn't even count and if I die I would be more likely to feel it and it's not a case of , " well get your own . " ... because there are those who have every fitting , all the load outs and BPO's including vehicle's , so it just not that simple .
It just seems to looses purpose and effects those who can't match that even a bit , or like I said ... " Maybe it's just me ." I just know that while I sit broke , these same people are racking in the ISK's hand over fist and if there opening strongboxes , there making even more of a killing and stretching the distance between themselves and the average players and it's not always instinct and skill that define this advantage .
It's just seeming like it's more about what's in your wallet then what's left on the field and that's what's bothering me at the moment .
I'm not trying to bash CCP like I said but it could get a little out of control if you allow it and right now it just seemed like too much was done without considerations to the changes in the environment .
I'm not knocking those who purchase BPO's but it does have an effect on the economy ( say that there's not one if you like but to me there is ) and it does matter when your faced against such .
Kind of makes the kills worthless because it's not effecting you like it does the whole economy .
If it's any consolation there are players out there that through district locking or farming the 500k isk on new characters have billions and billions of isk to run proto until the game shuts down, aside from the people who legitely grinded to fund proto forever as well... the isk economy is just ******, the only person you should worry about isk wise is yourself and just try to have fun, that's all we can do. |
RayRay James
Titans of Phoenix
849
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Posted - 2014.12.18 21:36:00 -
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All these BPO suits look exactly like what was shown for Legion.
I wasn't a huge fan of it then, still am not now.
I liked the way it was, some BPO's, everything else get's paid for. It fit the New Eden motif. Now, it's just "LULZ, the cost don't matter, INTO THE FIRE!"
I enjoyed killing the proto suits with a militia suit. I understand monetizing the BPOs to get money out of a F2P game, but if the BPO scenario we have now... if that becomes the entire gameplay... I don't know, I might stop playing. |
Eruditus 920
Nemo Malus Felix
1057
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Posted - 2014.12.18 21:36:00 -
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OP,
Free advice. Make your posts much more brief. They are always too long winded and people don't read them.
I took the time to read it. So my take away is you don't like players having BPO's because it breaks the game. Is that it?
You are the same guy who posted a thread about every other day for months crying, begging for respecs. Even your sig was a whine for respecs.
So you got them. But you don't want BPO's? Respecs=yes BPO's=no Do I have that right?
So I have to ask. What exactly will make you happy?
"Stay gold, Ponyboy..."
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
1538
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Posted - 2014.12.18 21:37:00 -
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RayRay James wrote:All these BPO suits look exactly like what was shown for Legion.
I wasn't a huge fan of it then, still am not now.
I liked the way it was, some BPO's, everything else get's paid for. It fit the New Eden motif. Now, it's just "LULZ, the cost don't matter, INTO THE FIRE!"
I enjoyed killing the proto suits with a militia suit. I understand monetizing the BPOs to get money out of a F2P game, but if the BPO scenario we have now... if that becomes the entire gameplay... I don't know, I might stop playing. That's what I'm trying to get and how I feel , like your ending .
Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
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TYCHUS MAXWELL
The Fun Police
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Posted - 2014.12.18 21:38:00 -
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RayRay James wrote:All these BPO suits look exactly like what was shown for Legion.
I wasn't a huge fan of it then, still am not now.
I liked the way it was, some BPO's, everything else get's paid for. It fit the New Eden motif. Now, it's just "LULZ, the cost don't matter, INTO THE FIRE!"
I enjoyed killing the proto suits with a militia suit. I understand monetizing the BPOs to get money out of a F2P game, but if the BPO scenario we have now... if that becomes the entire gameplay... I don't know, I might stop playing.
The only one I think that would be arguably much of an issue is the apex suits which are obtainable by everyone albeit after grinding for a long time. I wouldn't consider STD and MLT bpos to be much of a deal which is everything but apex. I mean players can already use frontline suits which some of them are really good. |
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
1538
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Posted - 2014.12.18 21:40:00 -
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Eruditus 920 wrote:OP,
Free advice. Make your posts much more brief. They are always too long winded and people don't read them.
I took the time to read it. So my take away is you don't like players having BPO's because it breaks the game. Is that it?
You are the same guy who posted a thread about every other day for months crying, begging for respecs. Even your sig was a whine for respecs.
So you got them. But you don't want BPO's? Respecs=yes BPO's=no Do I have that right?
So I have to ask. What exactly will make you happy? You don't want to read them then why do you and why make a comment if it's not helpful ???
You people always get me and think your snarky comments make you look smart .
I know what I wrote about and like I said I spend money and I couldn't carry any of that with me unlike when you purchase a BPO or pack .
Keep up the smarts , it's suits you fine .
I tried to make this a serious discussion .
Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
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Edau Skir2
Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic
144
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Posted - 2014.12.18 21:43:00 -
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I know where the OP is coming from. We break our backs and try to play tactically so as to minimise the isk costs, but people with lots of actual money just buy these, and get an immediate proto advantage over everyone. Getting them through fw isn't even viable anymore because of the horrible waiting times and lack of good games that happen these days.
Resident pasty smasher
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
1538
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Posted - 2014.12.18 21:43:00 -
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TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:RayRay James wrote:All these BPO suits look exactly like what was shown for Legion.
I wasn't a huge fan of it then, still am not now.
I liked the way it was, some BPO's, everything else get's paid for. It fit the New Eden motif. Now, it's just "LULZ, the cost don't matter, INTO THE FIRE!"
I enjoyed killing the proto suits with a militia suit. I understand monetizing the BPOs to get money out of a F2P game, but if the BPO scenario we have now... if that becomes the entire gameplay... I don't know, I might stop playing. The only one I think that would be arguably much of an issue is the apex suits which are obtainable by everyone albeit after grinding for a long time. I wouldn't consider STD and MLT bpos to be much of a deal which is everything but apex. I mean players can already use frontline suits which some of them are really good. Really what the game needs is intermediate play as pubs are becoming the grind house and a lot of people, myself included, don't care about PC. More game modes would be a plus. Yes and I like that about what they did because they could have just done crappy fits but they listened to what the people wanted and tailored it to that .
That's a good thing but like I said , those kills just seem blank because my pocket is shrinking while there's is expanding .
Only thing that's suffering is KDR .
Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
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TYCHUS MAXWELL
The Fun Police
729
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Posted - 2014.12.18 21:46:00 -
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:RayRay James wrote:All these BPO suits look exactly like what was shown for Legion.
I wasn't a huge fan of it then, still am not now.
I liked the way it was, some BPO's, everything else get's paid for. It fit the New Eden motif. Now, it's just "LULZ, the cost don't matter, INTO THE FIRE!"
I enjoyed killing the proto suits with a militia suit. I understand monetizing the BPOs to get money out of a F2P game, but if the BPO scenario we have now... if that becomes the entire gameplay... I don't know, I might stop playing. The only one I think that would be arguably much of an issue is the apex suits which are obtainable by everyone albeit after grinding for a long time. I wouldn't consider STD and MLT bpos to be much of a deal which is everything but apex. I mean players can already use frontline suits which some of them are really good. Really what the game needs is intermediate play as pubs are becoming the grind house and a lot of people, myself included, don't care about PC. More game modes would be a plus. Yes and I like that about what they did because they could have just done crappy fits but they listened to what the people wanted and tailored it to that . That's a good thing but like I said , those kills just seem blank because my pocket is shrinking while there's is expanding . Only thing that's suffering is KDR .
I feel you on that, that's why I think the game just needs more content gameplay wise. More modes, hell they should bring back the old skirmish mode as that sounds pretty fun and they could always finish drone mode as I assume hopefully they at least had some assets developed for it, or their trailer was just CGI which is also possible. |
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
1538
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Posted - 2014.12.18 21:46:00 -
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Edau Skir2 wrote:I know where the OP is coming from. We break our backs and try to play tactically so as to minimise the isk costs, but people with lots of actual money just buy these, and get an immediate proto advantage over everyone. Getting them through fw isn't even viable anymore because of the horrible waiting times and lack of good games that happen these days. Pretty much .
Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
1538
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Posted - 2014.12.18 21:49:00 -
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I wouldn't even talk about pro advantage if they don't have the skills to back it and if your wearing an APEX , then trying to get all that they have would put one all over the board .
They really don't work as well without the skills to back them .
Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
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Eruditus 920
Nemo Malus Felix
1058
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Posted - 2014.12.18 21:51:00 -
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:Eruditus 920 wrote:OP,
Free advice. Make your posts much more brief. They are always too long winded and people don't read them.
I took the time to read it. So my take away is you don't like players having BPO's because it breaks the game. Is that it?
You are the same guy who posted a thread about every other day for months crying, begging for respecs. Even your sig was a whine for respecs.
So you got them. But you don't want BPO's? Respecs=yes BPO's=no Do I have that right?
So I have to ask. What exactly will make you happy? You don't want to read them then why do you and why make a comment if it's not helpful ??? You people always get me and think your snarky comments make you look smart . I know what I wrote about and like I said I spend money and I couldn't carry any of that with me unlike when you purchase a BPO or pack . Keep up the smarts , it's suits you fine . I tried to make this a serious discussion .
But my comment was in fact helpful. I advised you write more concise posts. Best damn advice you'll ever get.
Yes, my snarky comments do in fact make me look smart. Thank you for noticing *blushes*
The fact is BPO's aren't that effective. They save ISK but suck at everything else. I have 3 of them so I know a little about it.
If a merc wants to be effective at anything other than making ISK, they will need a ISK bought rig.
"Stay gold, Ponyboy..."
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Edau Skir2
Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic
145
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Posted - 2014.12.18 21:52:00 -
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:Edau Skir2 wrote:I know where the OP is coming from. We break our backs and try to play tactically so as to minimise the isk costs, but people with lots of actual money just buy these, and get an immediate proto advantage over everyone. Getting them through fw isn't even viable anymore because of the horrible waiting times and lack of good games that happen these days. Pretty much . I tried fw grinding myself, but I'm only at 20k LP's currently, mainly because the game's atm have become full of bluebs who think it's still Battle Academy, and 260lp per game is NOTHING. But I'm not spending -ú40 just to get one. I want to have at least earn it through sweat, tears, and even blood!
Resident pasty smasher
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
1538
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Posted - 2014.12.18 21:53:00 -
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I have 233 strongboxes and received 1 key through my daily .
800 aurum is a little too much .
Can't sell them and I could kinda understand that because how could you price what's inside but something needs to be done about strongboxes .
Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
1538
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Posted - 2014.12.18 21:55:00 -
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Edau Skir2 wrote: I tried fw grinding myself, but I'm only at 20k LP's currently, mainly because the game's atm have become full of bluebs who think it's still Battle Academy, and 260lp per game is NOTHING. But I'm not spending -ú40 just to get one. I want to have at least earn it through sweat, tears, and even blood!
Truly I can do nothing but respect you for that , can't knock hard work or those who care to do it .
Doing the heavy lifting .
Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
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Edau Skir2
Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic
145
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Posted - 2014.12.18 21:57:00 -
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Gives me something to aim for!
And once I've gotten, why, I'll start all over again!
Resident pasty smasher
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
1538
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Posted - 2014.12.18 22:01:00 -
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Eruditus 920 wrote:
But my comment was in fact helpful. I advised you write more concise posts. Best damn advice you'll ever get.
Yes, my snarky comments do in fact make me look smart. Thank you for noticing *blushes*
The fact is BPO's aren't that effective. They save ISK but suck at everything else. I have 3 of them so I know a little about it.
If a merc wants to be effective at anything other than making ISK, they will need a ISK bought rig.
Keep measuring you e-peen Calls everyone over to look at yours ... because I don't need to take out mine for measurement .
In NO way am I condemning those who purchase BPO's and I'm not all caps that to show I mean it , all I'm talking about is the effects that it has on the economy and in fact that was the discussion that seen the result of the discontinuing of some but I don't want that so get off your high horse and put down your banner .
Not needed .
All I'm looking for is some type of balance and not a throw multiple darts at the dart board mentality to see what sticks , that's how it feels right now .
If you can't see that , then I guess it's just me .
Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
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TYCHUS MAXWELL
The Fun Police
731
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Posted - 2014.12.18 22:01:00 -
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Edau Skir2 wrote:Gives me something to aim for! And once I've gotten, why, I'll start all over again!
I wouldn't mind playing FW myself if it didn't take 10 minutes to get into a minmitar game and that's with a 6 man squad... I just end up getting dropped by scotty if I queue by myself. |
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
1538
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Posted - 2014.12.18 22:08:00 -
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TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Edau Skir2 wrote:Gives me something to aim for! And once I've gotten, why, I'll start all over again! I wouldn't mind playing FW myself if it didn't take 10 minutes to get into a minmitar game and that's with a 6 man squad... I just end up getting dropped by scotty if I queue by myself. Man , the two of you feel why I shy away from that .
It does get bothersome at times and I'm a AMPED type of guy so when I feel it and see the waiting time ( I understand the coordination ) and to get booted when I think I'm about to touch down ... .
I hate that $h!t .
Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
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Eruditus 920
Nemo Malus Felix
1058
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Posted - 2014.12.18 22:12:00 -
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:Eruditus 920 wrote:
But my comment was in fact helpful. I advised you write more concise posts. Best damn advice you'll ever get.
Yes, my snarky comments do in fact make me look smart. Thank you for noticing *blushes*
The fact is BPO's aren't that effective. They save ISK but suck at everything else. I have 3 of them so I know a little about it.
If a merc wants to be effective at anything other than making ISK, they will need a ISK bought rig.
Keep measuring you e-peen Calls everyone over to look at yours ... because I don't need to take out mine for measurement . In NO way am I condemning those who purchase BPO's and I'm not all caps that to show I mean it , all I'm talking about is the effects that it has on the economy and in fact that was the discussion that seen the result of the discontinuing of some but I don't want that so get off your high horse and put down your banner . Not needed . All I'm looking for is some type of balance and not a throw multiple darts at the dart board mentality to see what sticks , that's how it feels right now . If you can't see that , then I guess it's just me .
I have not purchased a single BPO. I earned my three through LP gains via FW.
I'm not measuring my **** or anyone else's.
I'm not on a horse nor am I holding a banner, you pretentious prick.
The fact of the matter is I don't like you Shinobi.
In all my time here you make it a habit of coming on my threads and insulting me.
I have never forgotten it. I think you are entitled pot head who likes to complain. So suck on it, 'kay?
"Stay gold, Ponyboy..."
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
1538
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Posted - 2014.12.18 22:15:00 -
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I don't even know you and I even apologized to you before and now all I have to say to you is , " Good day sir , good day . "
Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
1538
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Posted - 2014.12.18 22:18:00 -
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It's a shame how trivial some people can be and let some character effect them to the point where they have to insult them at any chance they get or bash someone's idea like they were some type of child , the level of disrespect of some people doesn't surprise me , I live in America and have traveled in my time but it's the age we live in .
Respect is a forgone thing now a days .
I blame the internet .
And society .
Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
1538
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Posted - 2014.12.18 22:19:00 -
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Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
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RogueTrooper 2000AD
Neckbeard Absolution
484
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Posted - 2014.12.18 22:21:00 -
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Yes.
There are scabs forming and small bugs crawling around and its really itchy.
Ive been gotten.
K den.
Do not try and bend the K den. That's impossible. Instead... only try to realize the truth.
There is no k den.
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TYCHUS MAXWELL
The Fun Police
732
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Posted - 2014.12.18 22:24:00 -
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:It's a shame how trivial some people can be and let some character effect them to the point where they have to insult them at any chance they get or bash someone's idea like they were some type of child , the level of disrespect of some people doesn't surprise me , I live in America and have traveled in my time but it's the age we live in .
Respect is a forgone thing now a days .
I blame the internet .
And society .
It's the internet, I wouldn't have it any other way. For now, it's the last place in existence where one can be yourself without a nanny state berating you for voicing opinions, no matter how harsh. You and Eruditus don't get along, we all have people like that, just try to be civil or shout at each other, either works. Words are words anyways. |
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
1538
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Posted - 2014.12.18 22:24:00 -
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IKR
Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
1538
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Posted - 2014.12.18 22:27:00 -
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RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote:Yes.
There are scabs forming and small bugs crawling around and its really itchy.
Ive been gotten.
K den. I seen that in a book in sex ed in H.S.
Those pictures would make you remember .
Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
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