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Jacques Cayton II Kaalmayoti Warzone Control 1253	Posted - 2014.12.18 16:19:00 - [1] - Quote Im running around minding my business laying links down when I hear "blap" then my clone dies immediately after. Gko scout dren shotgun. I was at full health 443 shield 112 armor. And i got one shotted... i was an ewar cal logi but enough shield and regen to run away. But wtf one shotted by a std bpo shotgun. My rage consumed me and the I love carpet came out where I just threw res for the rest of the match. Point I'm trying to make is shotguns at lower levels are to ridiculous. If i get killed by a duvolle specialist I'm fine but a dren come on thats over 550 damage with one shot We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. 1931	Posted - 2014.12.18 16:20:00 - [2] - Quote Nothing's changed I see... I am Dust Free, found fun in gaming again, Destiny, hell yes, Planetside2? Makes dust look like what it is, crap.
WARxion ForDUST G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 216	Posted - 2014.12.18 16:21:00 - [3] - Quote We all do my fri blap Yes, I'm that desperate...
Tweaksz Titans of Phoenix 157	Posted - 2014.12.18 16:22:00 - [4] - Quote Sounds right. Remember you're shield based squid. Shotguns are plasma and therefore will melt through your shield and destroy your flimsy paper bag suit. edit: spelling Pill Popping Madness!
Jacques Cayton II Kaalmayoti Warzone Control 1253	Posted - 2014.12.18 16:25:00 - [5] - Quote Tweaksz wrote: Sounds right. Remember you're shield based squid. Shotguns are plasma and therefore will melt through your shield and destroy your flimsy paper bag suit. edit: spelling So explain why he killed my amarr fitting afterwards with one shot. 186 shield 421 armor We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10522	Posted - 2014.12.18 16:30:00 - [6] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: Tweaksz wrote: Sounds right. Remember you're shield based squid. Shotguns are plasma and therefore will melt through your shield and destroy your flimsy paper bag suit. edit: spelling So explain why he killed my amarr fitting afterwards with one shot. 186 shield 421 armor It's possible he was stacking enough damage mods to compensate along with maxed out core skills and a maxed out shotgun proficiency. I can turn a pair of militia nova knives into wrecking machines if I skill up everything necessary and sacrifice all of my defenses for that extra bit of damage. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Henrietta Unknown Kirjuun Heiian 650	Posted - 2014.12.18 16:31:00 - [7] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: Tweaksz wrote: Sounds right. Remember you're shield based squid. Shotguns are plasma and therefore will melt through your shield and destroy your flimsy paper bag suit. edit: spelling So explain why he killed my amarr fitting afterwards with one shot. 186 shield 421 armor High enough alpha negates armor penalty. Same goes for Scrambler charged shots. Until I get my gallogi, I'll run my pre-hotfix Calscout, with enough PE's to get the scrubby ones (which are most of them). Public Announcement: Tell players to terminate in order to access MCRU's.
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 9076	Posted - 2014.12.18 16:32:00 - [8] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: Tweaksz wrote: Sounds right. Remember you're shield based squid. Shotguns are plasma and therefore will melt through your shield and destroy your flimsy paper bag suit. edit: spelling So explain why he killed my amarr fitting afterwards with one shot. 186 shield 421 armor Headshot or damage mods by the sound of it. Proto Shotty deals 475 damage a shot to armor, and 668 to shields in one shot (Assuming all 12 pellets connect) Running anything less than this on a fit makes you liable to insta-blapping Born Deteis Caldari. Rejected by my Kinsman. Found a new family in the Vherokior Tribe. Nobody messes with my family
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10522	Posted - 2014.12.18 16:35:00 - [9] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: Tweaksz wrote: Sounds right. Remember you're shield based squid. Shotguns are plasma and therefore will melt through your shield and destroy your flimsy paper bag suit. edit: spelling So explain why he killed my amarr fitting afterwards with one shot. 186 shield 421 armor Headshot or damage mods by the sound of it. Proto Shotty deals 475 damage a shot to armor, and 668 to shields in one shot (Assuming all 12 pellets connect) Running anything less than this on a fit makes you liable to insta-blapping I know Ishukone Nova Knives, when fully charged on a Scout Mk.0 with all complex damage mods, will instantly OHK almost every heavy in the game. I've even killed a tank with these butter knives. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
LAVALLOIS Nash QcGOLD 352	Posted - 2014.12.18 16:42:00 - [10] - Quote WARxion ForDUST wrote: We all do my fri blap I think the scout who got you is camping your like button with a cloak.

Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 20329	Posted - 2014.12.18 16:42:00 - [11] - Quote All weapons are only 10% or so more powerful at proto than at basic, though? Sometimes, one just has an overwhelming urge to throw a potato at someone.
Jacques Cayton II Kaalmayoti Warzone Control 1254	Posted - 2014.12.18 16:47:00 - [12] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: All weapons are only 10% or so more powerful at proto than at basic, though? I just dont think a standard shotgun should ohk medium suit I'd be fine if it nearly kills me but it gives me a 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% chance to kill him. Knives idc not enough people run them and the take skill. But shotties need fixing. At least standard does. I've ran shottie on an assault with dren my previous match and just wow how can you defend this gun. We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 2603	Posted - 2014.12.18 16:51:00 - [13] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: Tweaksz wrote: Sounds right. Remember you're shield based squid. Shotguns are plasma and therefore will melt through your shield and destroy your flimsy paper bag suit. edit: spelling So explain why he killed my amarr fitting afterwards with one shot. 186 shield 421 armor Headshot or damage mods by the sound of it. Proto Shotty deals 475 damage a shot to armor, and 668 to shields in one shot (Assuming all 12 pellets connect) Running anything less than this on a fit makes you liable to insta-blapping I know Ishukone Nova Knives, when fully charged on a Scout Mk.0 with all complex damage mods, will instantly OHK almost every heavy in the game. I've even killed a tank with these butter knives. if you mele afterwards you dont need the damage mods Minmatar is Winmatar Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind" I am Chances Ghost
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 5846	Posted - 2014.12.18 17:31:00 - [14] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: All weapons are only 10% or so more powerful at proto than at basic, though? I just dont think a standard shotgun should ohk medium suit I'd be fine if it nearly kills me but it gives me a 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% chance to kill him. Knives idc not enough people run them and the take skill. But shotties need fixing. At least standard does. I've ran shottie on an assault with dren my previous match and just wow how can you defend this gun. Shotguns cannot take longer to kill than a rifle. Otherwise why bother? EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Jacques Cayton II Kaalmayoti Warzone Control 1255	Posted - 2014.12.18 17:33:00 - [15] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: All weapons are only 10% or so more powerful at proto than at basic, though? I just dont think a standard shotgun should ohk medium suit I'd be fine if it nearly kills me but it gives me a 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% chance to kill him. Knives idc not enough people run them and the take skill. But shotties need fixing. At least standard does. I've ran shottie on an assault with dren my previous match and just wow how can you defend this gun. Shotguns cannot take longer to kill than a rifle. Otherwise why bother? So which rifle besides the scr can ohk a suit or melt a suit in 1.5 seconds We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 2882	Posted - 2014.12.18 17:40:00 - [16] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: Point I'm trying to make is shotguns at lower levels are to ridiculous. If i get killed by a duvolle specialist I'm fine but a dren come on thats over 550 damage with one shot The real issue is here that an Adv weapon is 5% more damaging then standard, and a proto is 10% more damaging then standard, so while your proto weapon is 20% more damaging, you can reach or exceed this value in maxed prof and damage mods. If it was a proto scout that blapped you, I'm betting he was packing cmods and had maxed prof, especially with that huge amount og PG and CPU he's saving using a basic weapon. "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Jacques Cayton II Kaalmayoti Warzone Control 1255	Posted - 2014.12.18 17:54:00 - [17] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: Point I'm trying to make is shotguns at lower levels are to ridiculous. If i get killed by a duvolle specialist I'm fine but a dren come on thats over 550 damage with one shot The real issue is here that an Adv weapon is 5% more damaging then standard, and a proto is 10% more damaging then standard, so while your proto weapon is 20% more damaging, you can reach or exceed this value in maxed prof and damage mods. If it was a proto scout that blapped you, I'm betting he was packing cmods and had maxed prof, especially with that huge amount og PG and CPU he's saving using a basic weapon. So basically what your saying is stfu dont nerf my shottie We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
Luna McDuffing COALICION LATINA Smart Deploy 125	Posted - 2014.12.18 18:15:00 - [18] - Quote This has been a widely shared complaint. The shotgun especially combined with a well damped scout wreks havoc in this game. I think there are many valid complaints here but, very few reasonable solutions to the problem. That being said, one of my joys I get from this game is using a very cheap suit and killing a very expensive suit. very very satisfying. Is like the poor man giving it to the rich guy.
Petra 222 SoM Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 21	Posted - 2014.12.18 18:19:00 - [19] - Quote I understand your frustration but have you played a fps recently that didn't have any 1 hit kill weapons....especially shottys and sniper rifles? its a shotgun....how many shots do you think it should take to kill a suit as light as yours? And i am sure you know this but you have chosen to fit your suit in a way that makes this possible. Since 1.9 dropped i have been killed by shotgun scouts maybe three times max. If you stay mobile the bad hit detection on the shotgun will work in your favor. Listen for the first missed shots and react accordingly. ymmv
Banjo Robertson Random Gunz RISE of LEGION 373	Posted - 2014.12.18 18:21:00 - [20] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: Im running around minding my business laying links down when I hear "blap" then my clone dies immediately after. Gko scout dren shotgun. I was at full health 443 shield 112 armor. And i got one shotted... i was an ewar cal logi but enough shield and regen to run away. But wtf one shotted by a std bpo shotgun. My rage consumed me and the I love carpet came out where I just threw res for the rest of the match. Point I'm trying to make is shotguns at lower levels are to ridiculous. If i get killed by a duvolle specialist I'm fine but a dren come on thats over 550 damage with one shot Did you stay on the kill screen long enough to see how much damage they did? Did you know there's a glitch where you can fire two shotgun shots at the same time, and it might just be the player using the glitch to gain the surprise alpha boost instead of the shotgun itself being broken?

KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 6425	Posted - 2014.12.18 18:25:00 - [21] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: Im running around minding my business laying links down when I hear "blap" then my clone dies immediately after. Gko scout dren shotgun. I was at full health 443 shield 112 armor. And i got one shotted... i was an ewar cal logi but enough shield and regen to run away. But wtf one shotted by a std bpo shotgun. My rage consumed me and the I love carpet came out where I just threw res for the rest of the match. Point I'm trying to make is shotguns at lower levels are to ridiculous. If i get killed by a duvolle specialist I'm fine but a dren come on thats over 550 damage with one shot I use 3 cx precision enhancers on my logis Plus an Active scanner. Proximity Most of the times. Focused in case of gal/cal dampened shotgunners. Another way to avoid them is sticking with a group of blues, or if you want to go around placing uplinks, use an LAV. n.n Hope it helps :3 Amarr Logi, Scout, Assault , Sentinel and soon Commando. Check MY loyalty Empress o7
Duke Noobiam The Dukes of Death 295	Posted - 2014.12.18 18:32:00 - [22] - Quote What can we say that has not already been said. It is frustrating to die this way and it is easy mode to run scout + shotgun + cloak. However, it does seems to happen less frequently since a reasonable delay to firing weapons after uncloaking has been implemented. That said I wish CCP would just limit scouts to sidearms in order to fix this once and for all but I doubt this will happen. I sometimes run a min scout with nova knifes and a sub-machine gun (in order to maximize the benefits of my complex sidearm damage modifiers) and it is very effective. There is no need for scouts to have light weapons.
Union118 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 100	Posted - 2014.12.18 18:35:00 - [23] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: Im running around minding my business laying links down when I hear "blap" then my clone dies immediately after. Gko scout dren shotgun. I was at full health 443 shield 112 armor. And i got one shotted... i was an ewar cal logi but enough shield and regen to run away. But wtf one shotted by a std bpo shotgun. My rage consumed me and the I love carpet came out where I just threw res for the rest of the match. Point I'm trying to make is shotguns at lower levels are to ridiculous. If i get killed by a duvolle specialist I'm fine but a dren come on thats over 550 damage with one shot If thale takes 2 hits to drop a scout the shotguns need to be 3shot to kill. Starter Fit Suits are OP :-)
Jacques Cayton II Kaalmayoti Warzone Control 1255	Posted - 2014.12.18 18:43:00 - [24] - Quote Petra 222 SoM wrote: I understand your frustration but have you played a fps recently that didn't have any 1 hit kill weapons....especially shottys and sniper rifles? its a shotgun....how many shots do you think it should take to kill a suit as light as yours? And i am sure you know this but you have chosen to fit your suit in a way that makes this possible. Since 1.9 dropped i have been killed by shotgun scouts maybe three times max. If you stay mobile the bad hit detection on the shotgun will work in your favor. Listen for the first missed shots and react accordingly. ymmv Oh thanks for the valid point on how 550+ hp ohk ok. A dniper ok whatever but a shotgun no. Also dont you dare compare this game with cod or destiny because as soon as you said that i realised your a fanboy We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
cronopio feju corporacion alfa 58	Posted - 2014.12.18 18:43:00 - [25] - Quote I drop uplinks with an Amarr Scout, if some other socut want to go after me, they get way behind, also before droping, doble check the neighborhood. Si el primer botón que usas en una partida no es "flecha arriba" lo estás haciendo mal... -TheAmazing FlyingPig
Summa Militum Hidd3n Dragon 130	Posted - 2014.12.18 18:57:00 - [26] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: Im running around minding my business laying links down when I hear "blap" then my clone dies immediately after. Gko scout dren shotgun. I was at full health 443 shield 112 armor. And i got one shotted... i was an ewar cal logi but enough shield and regen to run away. But wtf one shotted by a std bpo shotgun. My rage consumed me and the I love carpet came out where I just threw res for the rest of the match. Point I'm trying to make is shotguns at lower levels are to ridiculous. If i get killed by a duvolle specialist I'm fine but a dren come on thats over 550 damage with one shot Do you know if that person shot you in the head? I am a firm believer that if you take a shot to the dome from a shotgun that you should go down.
Jacques Cayton II Kaalmayoti Warzone Control 1257	Posted - 2014.12.18 18:59:00 - [27] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: Im running around minding my business laying links down when I hear "blap" then my clone dies immediately after. Gko scout dren shotgun. I was at full health 443 shield 112 armor. And i got one shotted... i was an ewar cal logi but enough shield and regen to run away. But wtf one shotted by a std bpo shotgun. My rage consumed me and the I love carpet came out where I just threw res for the rest of the match. Point I'm trying to make is shotguns at lower levels are to ridiculous. If i get killed by a duvolle specialist I'm fine but a dren come on thats over 550 damage with one shot Do you know if that person shot you in the head? I am a firm believer that if you take a shot to the dome from a shotgun that you should go down. Full sprint he was behind me no headshot possible in that situation. Was 10m away did over 600 damage We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10531	Posted - 2014.12.18 20:23:00 - [28] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: Tweaksz wrote: Sounds right. Remember you're shield based squid. Shotguns are plasma and therefore will melt through your shield and destroy your flimsy paper bag suit. edit: spelling So explain why he killed my amarr fitting afterwards with one shot. 186 shield 421 armor Headshot or damage mods by the sound of it. Proto Shotty deals 475 damage a shot to armor, and 668 to shields in one shot (Assuming all 12 pellets connect) Running anything less than this on a fit makes you liable to insta-blapping I know Ishukone Nova Knives, when fully charged on a Scout Mk.0 with all complex damage mods, will instantly OHK almost every heavy in the game. I've even killed a tank with these butter knives. if you mele afterwards you dont need the damage mods True, but there are two problems with your suggestion. Minscouts have no bonus to melee and I want all of my victims to drop dead on the first hit. No need to waste time following up with a Falcon Punch if they're already dead. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
neausea 1987 1.U.P Capital Punishment. 213	Posted - 2014.12.18 20:45:00 - [29] - Quote its called pro lvl5 also its a shotgun this is all I have a¦Ñ_a¦Ñ.... GòÜ(GÇóGîéGÇó)Gò¥ .... (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ ......... Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ i need more QQ tears MORE!!
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution 3538	Posted - 2014.12.18 21:18:00 - [30] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: All weapons are only 10% or so more powerful at proto than at basic, though? Nope the Shot Gun is an alpha weapon right?! So lets analyze another alpha weapons take the breach Forge Gun for example the epitome of alpha. STD Breach Forge Gun 1750 DMG Wyrikomi Breach Forge Gun 2100 DMG While I am far too lazy to do the math protofits says w/ Prof. V the STD Breach does 2012 DMG so 2100 has to be an increase of somewhere in between 18-20% from Standard. Fatal Absolution Director

Petra 222 SoM Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 25	Posted - 2014.12.18 21:48:00 - [31] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: Petra 222 SoM wrote: I understand your frustration but have you played a fps recently that didn't have any 1 hit kill weapons....especially shottys and sniper rifles? its a shotgun....how many shots do you think it should take to kill a suit as light as yours? And i am sure you know this but you have chosen to fit your suit in a way that makes this possible. Since 1.9 dropped i have been killed by shotgun scouts maybe three times max. If you stay mobile the bad hit detection on the shotgun will work in your favor. Listen for the first missed shots and react accordingly. ymmv Oh thanks for the valid point on how 550+ hp ohk ok. A dniper ok whatever but a shotgun no. Also dont you dare compare this game with cod or destiny because as soon as you said that i realised your a fanboy I usually wouldn't waste my time responding to your kind of attitude, but since i have time to kill and i am in a good mood i'll let you know that Dust 514 is the only game i even play other than revisiting old metal gear titles. I have never even played COD but did play the destiny beta for a week lol. if this post angers you as much as the last one...well than poke your eyes out for all i care. <3
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 729	Posted - 2014.12.18 21:55:00 - [32] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: Im running around minding my business laying links down when I hear "blap" then my clone dies immediately after. Gko scout dren shotgun. I was at full health 443 shield 112 armor. And i got one shotted... i was an ewar cal logi but enough shield and regen to run away. But wtf one shotted by a std bpo shotgun. My rage consumed me and the I love carpet came out where I just threw res for the rest of the match. Point I'm trying to make is shotguns at lower levels are to ridiculous. If i get killed by a duvolle specialist I'm fine but a dren come on thats over 550 damage with one shot I had my 400 shield and 400 armor min proto assault melted in one shot by a standard shotgun. Thing is nuts damage wise. Gotta remember though that it has garbage range so it shouldn't be so viable if your team isn't being ******** and spreading out to the entire map, which typically happens causing shotguns to seem unfair.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 16119	Posted - 2014.12.18 21:56:00 - [33] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: All weapons are only 10% or so more powerful at proto than at basic, though? I just dont think a standard shotgun should ohk medium suit I'd be fine if it nearly kills me but it gives me a 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% chance to kill him. Knives idc not enough people run them and the take skill. But shotties need fixing. At least standard does. I've ran shottie on an assault with dren my previous match and just wow how can you defend this gun. Shotguns cannot take longer to kill than a rifle. Otherwise why bother? So which rifle besides the scr can ohk a suit or melt a suit in 1.5 seconds Combat Rifle, Assault Combat Rifle, Assault Rail Rifle....... do I need to go on? *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 1268	Posted - 2014.12.18 22:56:00 - [34] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: All weapons are only 10% or so more powerful at proto than at basic, though? I just dont think a standard shotgun should ohk medium suit I'd be fine if it nearly kills me but it gives me a 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% chance to kill him. Knives idc not enough people run them and the take skill. But shotties need fixing. At least standard does. I've ran shottie on an assault with dren my previous match and just wow how can you defend this gun. You've got better odds than that. He was on your TacNet before he point-blank blapped you.
Hynox Xitio Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1891	Posted - 2014.12.19 00:34:00 - [35] - Quote Sometimes you need to realize that the only viable solution is to coat your naked body in vaseline, before squirming around on the floor pretending to be a slug. The horror! The horror! ( -íº -£-û -íº)
JUDASisMYhomeboy xCosmic Voidx 206	Posted - 2014.12.19 00:40:00 - [36] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: Tweaksz wrote: Sounds right. Remember you're shield based squid. Shotguns are plasma and therefore will melt through your shield and destroy your flimsy paper bag suit. edit: spelling So explain why he killed my amarr fitting afterwards with one shot. 186 shield 421 armor Those rare occasions that i run a proto suit usually end like that. Insta blapped by a militia shotgun


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