DUST Search - The Sentinel Problem

KING CHECKMATE wrote:

CCP first of all, you HAVENT fixed the Sentinel + LAV problem.

''Elitist' 'scrubs'' still consider themselves skilled because of how easy is to use a LAB BPO + MLT Radar and get on it with a fatty and go 35+-0.
ADD The freakn DELAY/ANIMATION to getting OFF , AND on a LAV or TANK.

Like, for YESTERDAY.

Second, playing maps like the Research lab is now DOUBLE the impossible (lag and...), because now everybody runs around in Fat suits. The best counter to this is SCOUTS, but of course with nerf after nerf after nerf they are pretty rare now...
(last night i was the only scout in my team and the enemy team had 2, all the rest ere heavies or logis spamming equipment)

Is this intended? IS this the idea for 1.10 ? Sentinel 514?

Dont get me wrong, i dont think the Sentinel Suits are broken. They are as resilient as they were intended to be.
But they Press R1 and Spray and Pray and go 30+ every game without even having to use L1 To aim...No bro...no.

The HMG is broken.

It needs, IMO:

-A small Range NERF (Maybe 10mts)
-a small spool time (maybe 0.2 )
-Massively increase Dispersion at longer ranges 20-25mts and over SO they have to ACTUALLY USE L1 for once.

Sure you should be able to spray and pray at CQ and kill everything effectively. Ok. But JUST at CQ. At med ranges they would need to aim because bullets are hitting the walls and blues...

Discuss and flame on EZ moders....

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KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 6398	Posted - 2014.12.17 15:16:00 - [1] - Quote CCP first of all, you HAVENT fixed the Sentinel + LAV problem. ''Elitist' 'scrubs'' still consider themselves skilled because of how easy is to use a LAB BPO + MLT Radar and get on it with a fatty and go 35+-0. ADD The freakn DELAY/ANIMATION to getting OFF , AND on a LAV or TANK. Like, for YESTERDAY. Second, playing maps like the Research lab is now DOUBLE the impossible (lag and...), because now everybody runs around in Fat suits. The best counter to this is SCOUTS, but of course with nerf after nerf after nerf they are pretty rare now... (last night i was the only scout in my team and the enemy team had 2, all the rest ere heavies or logis spamming equipment) Is this intended? IS this the idea for 1.10 ? Sentinel 514? Dont get me wrong, i dont think the Sentinel Suits are broken. They are as resilient as they were intended to be. But they Press R1 and Spray and Pray and go 30+ every game without even having to use L1 To aim...No bro...no. The HMG is broken. It needs, IMO: -A small Range NERF (Maybe 10mts) -a small spool time (maybe 0.2 ) -Massively increase Dispersion at longer ranges 20-25mts and over SO they have to ACTUALLY USE L1 for once. Sure you should be able to spray and pray at CQ and kill everything effectively. Ok. But JUST at CQ. At med ranges they would need to aim because bullets are hitting the walls and blues... Discuss and flame on EZ moders.... Amarr Logi, Scout, Assault , Sentinel and soon Commando. Check MY loyalty Empress o7
CrotchGrab 360 Yon Hyaku Nijuu Moyase 1673	Posted - 2014.12.17 15:18:00 - [2] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: QQ why complain still when people like you complain and get what you want? you've already won, no need to continue whining https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2523330#post2523330 DUST VIDEOS
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 6398	Posted - 2014.12.17 15:20:00 - [3] - Quote CrotchGrab 360 wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: QQ why complain still when people like you complain and get what you want? you've already won, no need to continue whining https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2523330#post2523330 Very nice. Sorry ,i hadnt seen that. My post was a response to the 10 matches i played yesterday with Sentinel spam... Boring... Amarr Logi, Scout, Assault , Sentinel and soon Commando. Check MY loyalty Empress o7
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 2572	Posted - 2014.12.17 15:25:00 - [4] - Quote how to skill scrublords 101 step 1: stand in an open field like blueberry bait step 2: once the scrublord approches make sure you position yourself to the PASSENGER side of the LAV (more later) step 3: the scrublord will exit on the OPOSITE side of the lav, now you can use the LAV for cover (lol you exit vehicles on the same side every time BTW) step 4: slather the LAV with remotes, bonus points for sticking it in the drivers seat step 5: kite the ***** around the car untill he gets back in to move it out of his way step 6: giggle like a school girl Minmatar is Winmatar Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind" I am Chances Ghost
Jack Boost Zarena Family 558	Posted - 2014.12.17 15:26:00 - [5] - Quote How it is possible that nobody kill LAV during match... Even with OP swarms that can be used by anybody... How? Not much time left...
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 6398	Posted - 2014.12.17 15:36:00 - [6] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: how to skill scrublords 101 step 1: stand in an open field like blueberry bait step 2: once the scrublord approches make sure you position yourself to the PASSENGER side of the LAV (more later) step 3: the scrublord will exit on the OPOSITE side of the lav, now you can use the LAV for cover (lol you exit vehicles on the same side every time BTW) step 4: slather the LAV with remotes, bonus points for sticking it in the drivers seat step 5: kite the *** around the car untill he gets back in to move it out of his way step 6: giggle like a school girl Thats very nice, but scrublords were double teaming yesterday. Where i position myself doesnt make a difference when 2-3 sentinels get down an LAV at the same time. I do giggle like a school girl..when i get to shotgun them in the neck... XD Amarr Logi, Scout, Assault , Sentinel and soon Commando. Check MY loyalty Empress** o7
Henrietta Unknown Kirjuun Heiian 648	Posted - 2014.12.17 15:41:00 - [7] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: how to skill scrublords 101 step 1: stand in an open field like blueberry bait step 2: once the scrublord approches make sure you position yourself to the PASSENGER side of the LAV (more later) step 3: the scrublord will exit on the OPOSITE side of the lav, now you can use the LAV for cover (lol you exit vehicles on the same side every time BTW) step 4: slather the LAV with remotes, bonus points for sticking it in the drivers seat step 5: kite the *** around the car untill he gets back in to move it out of his way step 6: giggle like a school girl Make sure to flux before detonation for maximum KABOOM. Public Announcement:** Tell players to terminate in order to access MCRU's.
robin williams' ghost Damaged Beyond Repair Learning Alliance 261	Posted - 2014.12.17 15:45:00 - [8] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: CCP first of all, you HAVENT fixed the Sentinel + LAV problem. ''Elitist' 'scrubs'' still consider themselves skilled because of how easy is to use a LAB BPO + MLT Radar and get on it with a fatty and go 35+-0. ADD The freakn DELAY/ANIMATION to getting OFF , AND on a LAV or TANK. Like, for YESTERDAY. Second, playing maps like the Research lab is now DOUBLE the impossible (lag and...), because now everybody runs around in Fat suits. The best counter to this is SCOUTS, but of course with nerf after nerf after nerf they are pretty rare now... (last night i was the only scout in my team and the enemy team had 2, all the rest ere heavies or logis spamming equipment) Is this intended? IS this the idea for 1.10 ? Sentinel 514? Dont get me wrong, i dont think the Sentinel Suits are broken. They are as resilient as they were intended to be. But they Press R1 and Spray and Pray and go 30+ every game without even having to use L1 To aim...No bro...no. The HMG is broken. It needs, IMO: -A small Range NERF (Maybe 10mts) -a small spool time (maybe 0.2 ) -Massively increase Dispersion at longer ranges 20-25mts and over SO they have to ACTUALLY USE L1 for once. Sure you should be able to spray and pray at CQ and kill everything effectively. Ok. But JUST at CQ. At med ranges they would need to aim because bullets are hitting the walls and blues... Discuss and flame on EZ moders.... Don't make me have my whole squad teabag you again like we did a couple weeks ago Robin Williams endorses this corp
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 6399	Posted - 2014.12.17 15:47:00 - [9] - Quote robin williams' ghost wrote: Don't make me have my whole squad teabag you again like we did a couple weeks ago Thats the ONLY way you can t-bag me. With a whole SQUAD :3 Amarr Logi, Scout, Assault , Sentinel and soon Commando. Check MY loyalty Empress o7
robin williams' ghost Damaged Beyond Repair Learning Alliance 261	Posted - 2014.12.17 15:53:00 - [10] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: robin williams' ghost wrote: Don't make me have my whole squad teabag you again like we did a couple weeks ago Thats the ONLY way you can t-bag me. With a whole SQUAD :3 Keep telling yourself that. I'll take you 1v1 anywhere, anytime Robin Williams endorses this corp

CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 2840	Posted - 2014.12.17 15:54:00 - [11] - Quote I dont really think sentinels are all that broken at all actually, I more think the problem is that generally objectives are placed in tight CQC areas for the most part. When you play Skirmish you have the ability to move to another objective and there is generally more tactical situations that occur in battle. However in Domination and even on certain maps for Ambush and Skirm, the battle focuses on tight small areas and then the Heavies come out in there hundreds with logi stuck to their arse raking in easy war points. Now that doesn't cover LAV heavies but to be honest as annoying as they are you will kill them once they ** you off enough. I dont have that much trouble with LAV`s while using my trusty plc but as a regular gunner - well I struggle with everything including LAV heavies. Lets not forget that Forge gunners are Sentinel users as well and trust me, they need all the HP they can get when fighting tanks and stuff. "Also I think knives are a good idea, big fk-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 6401	Posted - 2014.12.17 16:11:00 - [12] - Quote robin williams' ghost wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: robin williams' ghost wrote: Don't make me have my whole squad teabag you again like we did a couple weeks ago Thats the ONLY way you can t-bag me. With a whole SQUAD :3 Keep telling yourself that. I'll take you 1v1 anywhere, anytime Keep telling yourself that... :3 Amarr Logi, Scout, Assault , Sentinel and soon Commando. Check MY loyalty Empress o7
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 6401	Posted - 2014.12.17 16:12:00 - [13] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: I dont really think sentinels are all that broken at all actually, I more think the problem is that generally objectives are placed in tight CQC areas for the most part. . VERY GOOD POINT. havne'nt considered this but it is true. Most of them are placed in CQ areas. Now, for CCP, its easier to nerf HMG's than to change 80% of the maps. Amarr Logi, Scout, Assault , Sentinel and soon Commando. Check MY loyalty Empress o7
da GAND Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 1063	Posted - 2014.12.17 16:17:00 - [14] - Quote Dude the HMG is fine, in fact I was hoping when get weapon modifications ( in Legion) that we could modify it so we get more range but of course have a con for that certain modification which is it makes cqc difficult with the HMG. Didn't the HMG get nerfed with uprising? I wasn't a heavy in the chromosome build but there was an accuracy skill that increased its range apparently lol, leave the HMG where it is mostly. And don't touch my Minmitar sentinel, it's already difficult enough to be considered a sentinel cuz of its low HP compared to other sentinels. Should Legion be on the ps4?
Powerh8er The Rainbow Effect 575	Posted - 2014.12.17 16:20:00 - [15] - Quote I see no problem here, only a crybaby.
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 6402	Posted - 2014.12.17 16:43:00 - [16] - Quote Powerh8er wrote: I see no problem here, only a crybaby. I see someone who i mentioned in my post here. : P Amarr Logi, Scout, Assault , Sentinel and soon Commando. Check MY loyalty Empress o7
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 2575	Posted - 2014.12.17 16:55:00 - [17] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: how to skill scrublords 101 step 1: stand in an open field like blueberry bait step 2: once the scrublord approches make sure you position yourself to the PASSENGER side of the LAV (more later) step 3: the scrublord will exit on the OPOSITE side of the lav, now you can use the LAV for cover (lol you exit vehicles on the same side every time BTW) step 4: slather the LAV with remotes, bonus points for sticking it in the drivers seat step 5: kite the ***** around the car untill he gets back in to move it out of his way step 6: giggle like a school girl Thats very nice, but scrublords were double teaming yesterday. Where i position myself doesnt make a difference when 2-3 sentinels get down an LAV at the same time. I do giggle like a school girl..when i get to shotgun them in the neck... XD tip number 1: people are better shootinng left and right then they are at up and down... so jumping over the LAV (if scout) saves you and can be used as both an escape AND an attack tip number 2: people exit vehicles in the exact same spots (provided no obstructions) and facing the exact same direction every time, meaning you can position yourself directly behind contestant number 1 with a shotty/knife/RE to quickly level the playing field tip number 3: positioning is key, you have to make sure they cant stop the LAV short and just pelt you with a wall of bullets, force them to park right next to you for the most fun tip number 4: stop being bad at this game, i kill you in free suits while your running around with a weapon that can OHKO me Minmatar is Winmatar Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind" I am Chances Ghost
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 6405	Posted - 2014.12.17 16:58:00 - [18] - Quote @ Ghosts Chance] All very good advice. will practice this, but still...its still annoying as f*. I mean, its easier for me just taking out my heavy with LAV that doing all that.... Amarr Logi, Scout, Assault , Sentinel and soon Commando. Check MY loyalty Empress** o7
Petra 222 SoM Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 19	Posted - 2014.12.17 17:00:00 - [19] - Quote For those of you denying your ez mode, Obviously CCP sees the current iteration as a problem. that is why you have just been nerfed. Look, we all have sentinels, and we all now how stupid easy it is to sit in a room and just point and shoot at the entrance. You have been pampered by this role for long enough. Notice how many damn sentinels are in every match now? Is it really fun for you to have all the roles and strategy and options in this game melted down to a cesspool of sentinels in a meatgrinder? Any suit insta-popping out of vehicles needs to go.
Jacques Cayton II Kaalmayoti Warzone Control 1245	Posted - 2014.12.17 17:04:00 - [20] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: CCP first of all, you HAVENT fixed the Sentinel + LAV problem. ''Elitist' 'scrubs'' still consider themselves skilled because of how easy is to use a LAB BPO + MLT Radar and get on it with a fatty and go 35+-0. ADD The freakn DELAY/ANIMATION to getting OFF , AND on a LAV or TANK. Like, for YESTERDAY. Second, playing maps like the Research lab is now DOUBLE the impossible (lag and...), because now everybody runs around in Fat suits. The best counter to this is SCOUTS, but of course with nerf after nerf after nerf they are pretty rare now... (last night i was the only scout in my team and the enemy team had 2, all the rest ere heavies or logis spamming equipment) Is this intended? IS this the idea for 1.10 ? Sentinel 514? Dont get me wrong, i dont think the Sentinel Suits are broken. They are as resilient as they were intended to be. But they Press R1 and Spray and Pray and go 30+ every game without even having to use L1 To aim...No bro...no. The HMG is broken. It needs, IMO: -A small Range NERF (Maybe 10mts) -a small spool time (maybe 0.2 ) -Massively increase Dispersion at longer ranges 20-25mts and over SO they have to ACTUALLY USE L1 for once. Sure you should be able to spray and pray at CQ and kill everything effectively. Ok. But JUST at CQ. At med ranges they would need to aim because bullets are hitting the walls and blues... Discuss and flame on EZ moders.... Good ol+¬ QQ I've been killing heavies with my assault for quite awhile. Get good scrub We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals

Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 2576	Posted - 2014.12.17 17:06:00 - [21] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: @ Ghosts Chance] All very good advice. will practice this, but still...its still annoying as f***. I mean, its easier for me just taking out my heavy with LAV that doing all that.... i do all that work reguardless of what im upagainst... Minmatar is Winmatar Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind" I am Chances Ghost
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 6405	Posted - 2014.12.17 17:08:00 - [22] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: @ Ghosts Chance] All very good advice. will practice this, but still...its still annoying as f*. I mean, its easier for me just taking out my heavy with LAV that doing all that.... i do all that work reguardless of what im upagainst... well there is a difference between a very skilled player and something being balanced. The fact you can do it doesnt mean the other 99% of Dust514 player base can. Amarr Logi, Scout, Assault , Sentinel and soon Commando. Check MY loyalty Empress** o7
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 2576	Posted - 2014.12.17 17:17:00 - [23] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: @ Ghosts Chance] All very good advice. will practice this, but still...its still annoying as f***. I mean, its easier for me just taking out my heavy with LAV that doing all that.... i do all that work reguardless of what im upagainst... well there is a difference between a very skilled player and something being balanced. The fact you can do it doesnt mean the other 99% of Dust514 player base can. thats true, from my mindset there is no such thing as a situation you cant win and not alot of people start from that kind of position so not alot of people can get as inventive as i can at finding counters for things. for instance crashing a python onto an objective and using the flaming husk as cover while i ninja hack and place uplinks that my team immediatly spawn on.... stole a whole city from nyian one game doing that for a win with half a bar of MCC HP betweenus at the end... wich is the answer to how do you counter a complete lockdown of the city with heavies camping the objectives, bonus points for landing on any of them in the process Minmatar is Winmatar Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind" I am Chances Ghost
Powerh8er The Rainbow Effect 576	Posted - 2014.12.18 00:21:00 - [24] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Powerh8er wrote: I see no problem here, only a crybaby. I see someone who i mentioned in my post here. : P Mentioned me how? Sure I played as a heavy for around 3 years now, skilled out of heavies into assaults for a reason. The reason is their ****. Your kind wanna nerf them because you mindlessly run around getting killed by everyone with dps enough to kill you before you run away as the most of the "skilled hard mode" dedicated scouts do.
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 6415	Posted - 2014.12.18 00:29:00 - [25] - Quote Powerh8er wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Powerh8er wrote: I see no problem here, only a crybaby. I see someone who i mentioned in my post here. : P Mentioned me how? Sure I played as a heavy for around 3 years now, skilled out of heavies into assaults for a reason. The reason is their **. Your kind wanna nerf them because you mindlessly run around getting killed by everyone with dps enough to kill you before you run away as the most of the "skilled hard mode" dedicated scouts do. YEah thats why, not mebause the HMG is the mode EZ mode weapon ever, an everyone that DOESN'T main it knows this... Keep telling yourself that kid. Amarr Logi, Scout, Assault , Sentinel and soon Commando. Check MY loyalty Empress** o7
Jacques Cayton II Kaalmayoti Warzone Control 1246	Posted - 2014.12.18 00:33:00 - [26] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Powerh8er wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Powerh8er wrote: I see no problem here, only a crybaby. I see someone who i mentioned in my post here. : P Mentioned me how? Sure I played as a heavy for around 3 years now, skilled out of heavies into assaults for a reason. The reason is their **. Your kind wanna nerf them because you mindlessly run around getting killed by everyone with dps enough to kill you before you run away as the most of the "skilled hard mode" dedicated scouts do. YEah thats why, not mebause the HMG is the mode EZ mode weapon ever, an everyone that DOESN'T main it knows this... Keep telling yourself that kid.** Actually i find the assault is better than heavies unless you have a dedicated logi. Scouts rule though. We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
Powerh8er The Rainbow Effect 577	Posted - 2014.12.18 00:43:00 - [27] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Powerh8er wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Powerh8er wrote: I see no problem here, only a crybaby. I see someone who i mentioned in my post here. : P Mentioned me how? Sure I played as a heavy for around 3 years now, skilled out of heavies into assaults for a reason. The reason is their **. Your kind wanna nerf them because you mindlessly run around getting killed by everyone with dps enough to kill you before you run away as the most of the "skilled hard mode" dedicated scouts do. YEah thats why, not mebause the HMG is the mode EZ mode weapon ever, an everyone that DOESN'T main it knows this... Keep telling yourself that kid.** Yeah sure its easy to kill anyone with it when they throw themself at you like suicidal sheep. Try facing someone with an actual functional brain and they gank your slow huge ass like nothing... Anyway its nerf now so.
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 6415	Posted - 2014.12.18 00:45:00 - [28] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Powerh8er wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Powerh8er wrote: I see no problem here, only a crybaby. I see someone who i mentioned in my post here. : P Mentioned me how? Sure I played as a heavy for around 3 years now, skilled out of heavies into assaults for a reason. The reason is their **. Your kind wanna nerf them because you mindlessly run around getting killed by everyone with dps enough to kill you before you run away as the most of the "skilled hard mode" dedicated scouts do. YEah thats why, not mebause the HMG is the mode EZ mode weapon ever, an everyone that DOESN'T main it knows this... Keep telling yourself that kid. Actually i find the assault is better than heavies unless you have a dedicated logi. Scouts rule though. Well assaults aer pretty solid. But considering most objectives in thsi games consist of CQ areas, the Sentinel is extremely powerful due to how extremely powerful and easy to use the weapon is.(HMG) You mix High DPS, easy mode weapon and More EHP and resistance to damage of the sentinels and its IMPOSSIBLE to loose in 1 on 1 vs an assault unless you are a total scrub. Amarr Logi, Scout, Assault , Sentinel and soon Commando. Check MY loyalty Empress** o7
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 6415	Posted - 2014.12.18 00:46:00 - [29] - Quote Powerh8er wrote: Yeah sure its easy to kill anyone with it when they throw themself at you like suicidal sheep. Try facing someone with an actual functional brain and they gank your slow huge ass like nothing... Anyway its nerf now so. Well its kind of difficult considering how most objectives in this game are in cramped up spaces that obligate players to engage in CQ ...and yes. Its already getting a nerf..even if i dont think it will be enough its a start. Amarr Logi, Scout, Assault , Sentinel and soon Commando. Check MY loyalty Empress o7
Powerh8er The Rainbow Effect 577	Posted - 2014.12.18 00:57:00 - [30] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Powerh8er wrote: Yeah sure its easy to kill anyone with it when they throw themself at you like suicidal sheep. Try facing someone with an actual functional brain and they gank your slow huge ass like nothing... Anyway its nerf now so. Well its kind of difficult considering how most objectives in this game are in cramped up spaces that obligate players to engage in CQ ...and yes. Its already getting a nerf..even if i dont think it will be enough its a start. Git gud, the hmg is already nerfed, critical overheats at 160 bullets now. And what? The sentinels are supposed to protect objectives and if you dont already have a sentinel suit of your own there are certainly other weapons and suits that can kill sentinels easily in cqc with ease even before the overheat nerf today. My guess is that your just a butthurt scout with a lot of gungame, but has no tactical sense running around getting killed over and over by anyone with a keen eye. My point is that as the sentinel is purely a defensive suit it should have idiot proof "easy mode" weapons as their are unable to escape deadly situations. Not a weapon that has a dispersion of a donald duck shotgun witch overheats before your able to kill anything not scrubby.



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