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Cody Sietz Random Gunz RISE of LEGION 4250	Posted - 2014.12.17 06:01:00 - [1] - Quote http://imgur.com/t8P2uGZ I really hate it and my tears know no bound! Seriously, it's over performing a tad simply because it takes down sentinels easier then a light weapon can(sorry Panda). My Ion pistol can take down a Proto heavy, but I have to weaken them with a AR or shotgun first. Ah well, I'm a bit drunk so this isn't really a good topic or anything. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
gustavo acosta Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 595	Posted - 2014.12.17 06:03:00 - [2] - Quote The charge time justifies the damage output just fine.(unlike the op hmg) GimmeDatSuhWeet isk
Vicious Minotaur 1517	Posted - 2014.12.17 06:03:00 - [3] - Quote Yume kui9 should have used lube. I am a minotaur. a+üa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa+üa¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça+üa+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+üa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa+üa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ë
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 11749	Posted - 2014.12.17 06:10:00 - [4] - Quote gustavo acosta wrote: The charge time justifies the damage output just fine.(unlike the op hmg) No, it does not justify it. It's the easiest and most effective sidearm right now, it kills so fast it's actually funny. Gû¦Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum altGû+
gustavo acosta Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 595	Posted - 2014.12.17 06:12:00 - [5] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: gustavo acosta wrote: The charge time justifies the damage output just fine IMO.(unlike the op hmg) No, it does not justify it. It's the easiest and most effective sidearm right now, it kills so fast it's actually funny. Fixed it Edit:Honestly I liked the old six shooter bolt, all it really needed was a bit more range. GimmeDatSuhWeet isk
axis alpha Red Star. EoN. 410	Posted - 2014.12.17 06:25:00 - [6] - Quote I hardly see these on the field anymore. So if you do get killed by one then its probably a specialist who enjoys using it. I can't use the damn thing myself. Though I'll get lucky here and there. I cut you up so bad.... You gonna wish I no cut you up so bad.
Funkmaster Whale Whale Pod 2680	Posted - 2014.12.17 06:48:00 - [7] - Quote The thing is a pocket sniper rifle. Headshots are so satisfying with it, but I think it's balanced in that it's not as effective in CQC as the SMG which is pretty much a mini ACR. Follow me on Twitch.tv!
Daddrobit You Can Call Me Daddy 1261	Posted - 2014.12.17 06:52:00 - [8] - Quote Funkmaster Whale wrote: The thing is a pocket sniper rifle. Headshots are so satisfying with it, but I think it's balanced in that it's not as effective in CQC as the SMG which is pretty much a mini ACR. I dunno, it's pretty damned effective to be quite honest. Just hipfire in the general direction of where the enemy is and you're pretty much guaranteed 229-252 damage. O.G. Pink Fluffy Bunny
hold that Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 490	Posted - 2014.12.17 07:01:00 - [9] - Quote if for whatever reason you can only fit/use a militia sidearm, the bolt pistol out performs all of them in that circumstance, even if you have all skills up to 5 but none in blot pistol
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 1781	Posted - 2014.12.17 07:13:00 - [10] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: gustavo acosta wrote: The charge time justifies the damage output just fine.(unlike the op hmg) No, it does not justify it. It's the easiest and most effective sidearm right now, it kills so fast it's actually funny. You have to be completely committed to firing it. It is in no way as easy or effective as the breach scrambler pistol - which also has a higher magazine size. Quit **ing whining. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.** I have a few alts.

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 11750	Posted - 2014.12.17 07:25:00 - [11] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: gustavo acosta wrote: The charge time justifies the damage output just fine.(unlike the op hmg) No, it does not justify it. It's the easiest and most effective sidearm right now, it kills so fast it's actually funny. You have to be completely committed to firing it. It is in no way as easy or effective as the breach scrambler pistol - which also has a higher magazine size. Quit **ing whining. So your response to someone disagreeing with you about something is "quit ing whining", I now have no respect for you. I've been testing the bolt pistol since yesterday (I didn't have internet for 3 months, so first time using it since before the rebalancing), and that thing is for all intents and purposes a close range version of the sniper rifle. I have killed medium suits in a mere 2 shots faster than they could even react, yet you say it's balanced because a scrambler pistol has a bigger magazine? lol. I miss the old 6 shot magazine bolt pistol, it wasn't as popular because other sidearms did better at close range, but it was still very good and very fun at slightly higher ranges. Gû¦Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt**Gû+
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 1782	Posted - 2014.12.17 07:31:00 - [12] - Quote ^you didn't actually read what I said, as I made no comments about balance other than stating that the breach scrambler pistol does it easier and better than bolt pistol. I said you had to be committed to firing - as in the combination of charge time and the actual mechanics of how twitchy people are leave you in a state where you don't 'spray and pray' but are instead aimed down sights for its entire magazine. Unlike say a breach ScP where you can just pop out and fire off a few shots. That said I'm pretty sure you missed the op fotm bolt pistol which would have really made you cry. But hey, whine harder. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 11750	Posted - 2014.12.17 07:41:00 - [13] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: ^you didn't actually read what I said. I said you had to be committed to firing - as in the combination of charge time and the actual mechanics of how twitchy people are leave you in a state where you don't 'spray and pray' but are instead aimed down sights for its entire magazine. Unlike say a breach ScP where you can just pop out and fire off a few shots. That said I'm pretty sure you missed the op fotm bolt pistol which would have really made you cry. But hey, whine harder. You can take your finger off the trigger and cancel the charge before it fires if your shot is no longer lined up, so no need for commitment. The low ROF makes it very easy to correctly line up a shot, so not being able to "spray and pray" is not an issue. I have no problem getting bolt pistol kills with just hipfire, aiming down sight is not a necessity. If you think it requires so much skill, you just must not be as good as you think. I am aware your pocket sniper rifle used to be even worse, so what? You say I'm whining, but you're only here to whine about my comments, which is kind of cute. You're like an aggressively defensive child Gû¦Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum altGû+
Aeon Amadi Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7473	Posted - 2014.12.17 07:44:00 - [14] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: ^you didn't actually read what I said, as I made no comments about balance other than stating that the breach scrambler pistol does it easier and better than bolt pistol. I said you had to be committed to firing - as in the combination of charge time and the actual mechanics of how twitchy people are leave you in a state where you don't 'spray and pray' but are instead aimed down sights for its entire magazine. Unlike say a breach ScP where you can just pop out and fire off a few shots. That said I'm pretty sure you missed the op fotm bolt pistol which would have really made you cry. But hey, whine harder. Try the Ion Pistol and come back after you've learned real problems. Long-Term Roadmap More Hard Questions
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 1783	Posted - 2014.12.17 07:57:00 - [15] - Quote I made no comments about the level of skill the bolt takes. But let's debunk a few things -you can take your finger off the trigger during charge. Why yes, you can do this but it also means you're not shooting at whoever you're aiming at, so it essentially amounts to 'you can stop shooting at things with every gun in the game!'. This really isn't a useful point of 'information', and if you do cancel the charge up part way through you have to re-spool, which means you've gone anywhere from .45s to .9s without firing a round. -low RoF makes it easy to line up shots Maybe, but not on anything that's actually aware of you and isn't a militia fit. Putting more bullets down field faster generally results in more hits on target. -hipfire kills so ez Are you by chance shooting militia frames? Because the bolt pistol seldom does more than finish anything that might actually be a threat. -you said it required skill! Where? Please quote the exact sentence where I said "the bolt pistol is only for the omega super highly skilled master race!". Note that saying something else takes 'less skill' (due to it being more reliable) doesn't mean that I have said the bolt pistol takes a lot of skill. -pocket sniper used to be worse. I'm not sure of the contextual value you've placed on the word 'worse', so I have to say that there have been times where it was much less powerful and times where it was scouts with bolt pistols everywhere. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 1783	Posted - 2014.12.17 08:00:00 - [16] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: ^you didn't actually read what I said, as I made no comments about balance other than stating that the breach scrambler pistol does it easier and better than bolt pistol. I said you had to be committed to firing - as in the combination of charge time and the actual mechanics of how twitchy people are leave you in a state where you don't 'spray and pray' but are instead aimed down sights for its entire magazine. Unlike say a breach ScP where you can just pop out and fire off a few shots. That said I'm pretty sure you missed the op fotm bolt pistol which would have really made you cry. But hey, whine harder. Try the Ion Pistol and come back after you've learned real problems. If that's directed at me I actually quite like the ion pistol in its current state, it could use a few changes (more range, no shaking when charged and ads) but otherwise it's in a pretty happy place and it has a decent bit of depth as a weapon. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 5130	Posted - 2014.12.17 08:19:00 - [17] - Quote It hurts when shots actually register. Damn thing is worse than the SG in terms of hit detection. You only have 4 shots, and the charge time is pretty long now. It's pretty much balanced, in my opinion.
Aeon Amadi Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7473	Posted - 2014.12.17 10:09:00 - [18] - Quote Joel II X wrote: It hurts when shots actually register. Damn thing is worse than the SG in terms of hit detection. You only have 4 shots, and the charge time is pretty long now. It's pretty much balanced, in my opinion. Liked for first sentence. Took my like back when you said it was balanced. Long-Term Roadmap More Hard Questions
Clone D Grundstein Automation 1078	Posted - 2014.12.17 10:14:00 - [19] - Quote The bolt pistol is so OP that I bought the blueprint just to walk around harassing people with it until they rebalance it. I can easily drop scouts and assaults, and cause heavies to run for cover. I made a cal assault with dual BP just for this purpose. ISK Trader channel: blitz
pegasis prime BIG BAD W0LVES 1865	Posted - 2014.12.17 10:26:00 - [20] - Quote Daddrobit wrote: Funkmaster Whale wrote: The thing is a pocket sniper rifle. Headshots are so satisfying with it, but I think it's balanced in that it's not as effective in CQC as the SMG which is pretty much a mini ACR. I dunno, it's pretty damned effective to be quite honest. Just hipfire in the general directionof where the enemy is and you're pretty much guaranteed 229-252 damage. Oh Ho looks like someone uses aim assist Proud Caldari purist . Rank 10 colonel omiwarrior. I fought and bled for the State on Caldari prime.

Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 5139	Posted - 2014.12.17 16:33:00 - [21] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Joel II X wrote: It hurts when shots actually register. Damn thing is worse than the SG in terms of hit detection. You only have 4 shots, and the charge time is pretty long now. It's pretty much balanced, in my opinion. Liked for first sentence. Took my like back when you said it was balanced. Well, how do you suggest balancing it, then? I liked it back when it had six shots better, but less damage per bullet. Losing two shots, but making each shot count and having long spools between each shot is something to consider. Unless your opponent has low overall health, is in armor, and/or is not good at aiming, chances are, you might not get the kill. The thing is just too slow compared to the other weapons in the game. One side of the gun (damage) is leaning towards OP status, sure, but the other side (mechanics) is leaving towards the other, thus having me believe it is balanced in some way.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2662	Posted - 2014.12.17 17:24:00 - [22] - Quote I chuckle when someone pulls out a bolt pistol and I shoot them in the face with my breach scrambler pistol. I don't lose very often in that situation, and when I do, I know the guy on the other side is skilled. No issues whatsoever with the Bolt, IMO.


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