DUST Search - Should I charge fees for Logi Support?

LAVALLOIS Nash wrote:

Ripley Riley wrote:

Requiring a fee to join someone's squad makes you an asshat. Does your corporation offer some kind of logi bonus? Ask them if they provide an ISK incentive to squad with corpmates a logi.

Alot of people like to be personal mercenaries, not some corporation owned stooge. If i wanted to belong to an military organization i would play a game like Battlefield. Here, I work for myself, and part of being autonomous is that, as an independent contractor, i reserve the right to charge for my services.

LUGMOS wrote:

Vektus Alvoraan wrote:

I never really implied to DEMANDING payment. I simply stated (and I might've worded it out wrong) that I was wondering if it is okay to ask for a tip for going the extra mile for the team in securing a win.

Think of it like the barber fish. They join in on a flock of larger fish and provide services, such a cleaning their gills and removing bacteria from the fish's body, essentially maintaining them in top condition. The larger fish, in return, give them food, but only if the barber fish goes the extra mile, indicating to the larger fish that he deserves a tip for not doing a mediocre job.

Except in the fish scenario, the bigger fish doesnt directly give it food (ISK), but instead indirectly feeds it by giving it what it gets from its job. The Barber Fish only eats the grime it cleans, AKA the WP from supporting. That's its pay, not a direct feeding.

Except, this is a FIRST PERSON SHOOTER game, and Im not going to stand behind someone for 20 mins with a rep tool going just so that they have have a better shooter game where they die less. Atleast not for free. Its not fun, its not profitable. However, for a fee, thats a different story.

Cause heres the thing. if im in game and I have absolutely nothing else to do, ok, Chiron logi comes out. But because im doing it on my own time, and reserve the right to pursue a more profitable less risky job at any moment I choose, you dont know when your logi will disappear.

So your whole parasite analogy is wrong, as I dont rely on repping heavies for my survival. Its a choice, not an obligation. And if you want some dedication, you are going to pay for it instead of just counting on me to be a good guy and take losses for you. Im not a damn charity, this is supposed to be a profitable venture in the EVE universe. Profitable for me. Remember that.

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Vektus Alvoraan WarRavens Capital Punishment. 21	Posted - 2014.12.16 15:35:00 - [1] - Quote I always run MinLogi fits, repping, reviving, and resupplying teammates as the moment needs for it. Sometimes I even go through harms way, dying often, only to receive sub-par commendation at best from the EOM rewards. And this is even when I rack up +3000 WP, with a 0/5-6 KDR. Are my risk vs. reward antics worth it? I don't know. Sometimes I can't help but feel like it doesn't. So is it acceptable to charge a small fee for logistics/medic support for the team? I'm really on the fence about this. DUST 514 Closed Beta Vet - 26 million Lifetime SP - Humble Logibro
Michael Epic Bragian Order Amarr Empire 371	Posted - 2014.12.16 15:37:00 - [2] - Quote Vektus Alvoraan wrote: I always run MinLogi fits, repping, reviving, and resupplying teammates as the moment needs for it. Sometimes I even go through harms way, dying often, only to receive sub-par commendation at best from the EOM rewards. And this is even when I rack up +3000 WP, with a 0/5-6 KDR. Are my risk vs. reward antics worth it? I don't know. Sometimes i can't help but feel like it doesn't. So is it acceptable to charge a small fee for logistics/medic support for the team? I'm really on the fence about this. There are so many Logi's in this game that you'd just get passed over for someone who could do it better than you and wouldn't try to charge a pretentious fee. Its a video game dude, not a career
Dauth Jenkins Titans of Phoenix 617	Posted - 2014.12.16 15:38:00 - [3] - Quote i dont ask for it, but i know heavies who do pay (especially if there only running standard gear, and your running proto equips), but i find it rude to ask. Its not like the game doesnt reward you for playing support. -Sincerely --The Dual Swarm Commando
Vektus Alvoraan WarRavens Capital Punishment. 21	Posted - 2014.12.16 15:43:00 - [4] - Quote Although I see your points and understand them clearly, I can't help but feel like we don't get the merit we deserve, especially for dedicated logibros (not those tourists who still manage to spam equipment and change to a slayer fit, barely contributing for the team to get cheap WP on the side.) DUST 514 Closed Beta Vet - 26 million Lifetime SP - Humble Logibro
Guns for Glory GalacticGuardians 514 45	Posted - 2014.12.16 15:44:00 - [5] - Quote Over a game but still one of the most selfish and greedy things I've ever heard...I've never seen a war movie and the medic runs over to a wounded soldier and the soldiers says "what you want medic?" Medic says well I need about tree fitey" medic says god damn medic I ain't got no god damn tree fitey" bus seriously if you have that big of a problem helping you team stay alive and win don't play a logi or better yet don't play at all. Games not about kdr at all it's about working as a team and winning. Douche
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 5645	Posted - 2014.12.16 15:45:00 - [6] - Quote Requiring a fee to join someone's squad makes you an asshat. Does your corporation offer some kind of logi bonus? Ask them if they provide an ISK incentive to squad with corpmates a logi. My advice to you, playa...
Michael Epic Bragian Order Amarr Empire 373	Posted - 2014.12.16 15:50:00 - [7] - Quote Vektus Alvoraan wrote: Although I see your points and understand them clearly, I can't help but feel like we don't get the merit we deserve, especially for dedicated logibros (not those tourists who still manage to spam equipment and change to a slayer fit, barely contributing for the team to get cheap WP on the side.) pre-+ten-+tious adjective \pri--êten(t)-sh+Ös\ : having or showing the unpleasant quality of people who want to be regarded as more impressive, successful, or important than they really are GÇ£What do you think it is that drives people to want far more than they could ever use or need? I frankly think it's insecurity. How do we let the world know that the trappings of this life are not the things that are ultimately important for being accepted?GÇ¥ - Mr. Rogers
pagl1u M Dead Man's Game RUST415 1115	Posted - 2014.12.16 15:50:00 - [8] - Quote The other day I was playing in my proto galassault and I jumped into a random team. One logi of the team started repairing me and never stopped for 3 matches. I went 38-0,35-1 and 17-0. After that he asked me for isks cause he died more than me. I gave him 3 million isk. Do your job, ask politely and you ll receive what you deserve. One of the few assaults you'll find in a PC match!
Guns for Glory GalacticGuardians 514 45	Posted - 2014.12.16 15:50:00 - [9] - Quote Ask the enemy team to pay you for each death they give you I bet they wouldn't mind. Honestly one of the dumbest posts I've ever seen on a forum...
Vektus Alvoraan WarRavens Capital Punishment. 21	Posted - 2014.12.16 15:51:00 - [10] - Quote I never really implied to DEMANDING payment. I simply stated (and I might've worded it out wrong) that I was wondering if it is okay to ask for a tip for going the extra mile for the team in securing a win. Think of it like the barber fish. They join in on a flock of larger fish and provide services, such a cleaning their gills and removing bacteria from the fish's body, essentially maintaining them in top condition. The larger fish, in return, give them food, but only if the barber fish goes the extra mile, indicating to the larger fish that he deserves a tip for not doing a mediocre job. DUST 514 Closed Beta Vet - 26 million Lifetime SP - Humble Logibro

Michael Epic Bragian Order Amarr Empire 373	Posted - 2014.12.16 15:52:00 - [11] - Quote Vektus Alvoraan wrote: I never really implied to DEMANDING payment. I simply stated (and I might've worded it out wrong) that i was wondering if it is okay to ask for a tip for going the extra mile for the team in securing a win. Think of it like the barber fish. They join in on a flock of larger fish and provide services, such a cleaning their gills and removing bacteria from the fish's body, essentially maintaining them in top condition. The larger fish, in return, give them food, but only if the barber fish goes the extra mile, indicating to the larger fish that he deserves a tip for not doing a mediocre job. V I D E O G A M E
Vektus Alvoraan WarRavens Capital Punishment. 21	Posted - 2014.12.16 15:54:00 - [12] - Quote Michael Epic wrote: Vektus Alvoraan wrote: I never really implied to DEMANDING payment. I simply stated (and I might've worded it out wrong) that i was wondering if it is okay to ask for a tip for going the extra mile for the team in securing a win. Think of it like the barber fish. They join in on a flock of larger fish and provide services, such a cleaning their gills and removing bacteria from the fish's body, essentially maintaining them in top condition. The larger fish, in return, give them food, but only if the barber fish goes the extra mile, indicating to the larger fish that he deserves a tip for not doing a mediocre job. V I D E O G A M E Vidya monies, m8 AKA Isk DUST 514 Closed Beta Vet - 26 million Lifetime SP - Humble Logibro
bane sieg Damaged Beyond Repair 32	Posted - 2014.12.16 15:57:00 - [13] - Quote I've met a few logis in my travels who get paid for their services, but they're damn good logis, and it doesn't happen very often. At the same time you have dynamite logis like myself who will do it for free. CEO Damaged Beyond Repair
Guns for Glory GalacticGuardians 514 45	Posted - 2014.12.16 15:57:00 - [14] - Quote Vektus Alvoraan wrote: I never really implied to DEMANDING payment. I simply stated (and I might've worded it out wrong) that I was wondering if it is okay to ask for a tip for going the extra mile for the team in securing a win. Think of it like the barber fish. They join in on a flock of larger fish and provide services, such a cleaning their gills and removing bacteria from the fish's body, essentially maintaining them in top condition. The larger fish, in return, give them food, but only if the barber fish goes the extra mile, indicating to the larger fish that he deserves a tip for not doing a mediocre job. Pay the heavies for protecting you and letting you get SP!
hold that Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 487	Posted - 2014.12.16 15:59:00 - [15] - Quote you ain't as good as me, and i do it for free! mostly, there's some people over time i refuse to logi, sometimes i even will run around them with a needle and not pick them up.
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2396	Posted - 2014.12.16 16:00:00 - [16] - Quote Vektus Alvoraan wrote: I always run MinLogi fits, repping, reviving, and resupplying teammates as the moment needs for it. Sometimes I even go through harms way, dying often, only to receive sub-par commendation at best from the EOM rewards. And this is even when I rack up +3000 WP, with a 0/5-6 KDR. Are my risk vs. reward antics worth it? I don't know. Sometimes I can't help but feel like it doesn't. So is it acceptable to charge a small fee for logistics/medic support for the team? I'm really on the fence about this. Cool idea - send than a dustmail after the match, find out who's a classy killer and who's just another thug. If we had contracts it would be very cool to shoot a heavy a support contract when a match started. PSN: RationalSpark
Michael Epic Bragian Order Amarr Empire 373	Posted - 2014.12.16 16:00:00 - [17] - Quote Vektus Alvoraan wrote: Michael Epic wrote: Vektus Alvoraan wrote: I never really implied to DEMANDING payment. I simply stated (and I might've worded it out wrong) that i was wondering if it is okay to ask for a tip for going the extra mile for the team in securing a win. Think of it like the barber fish. They join in on a flock of larger fish and provide services, such a cleaning their gills and removing bacteria from the fish's body, essentially maintaining them in top condition. The larger fish, in return, give them food, but only if the barber fish goes the extra mile, indicating to the larger fish that he deserves a tip for not doing a mediocre job. V I D E O G A M E Vidya monies, m8 AKA Isk Ahem EVE Online > Obtain Skiff mining barge, mine Plagioclaise or ABC lowsec/nullsec minerals. Make 600 million isk in around a week or so. Contact Gyn Wallace / Min Lo, ask about isk transfer. 600 million EVE isk becomes 100 million Dust 514 isk. Be smart....not needy, cap'n greedy.
al nize mk2 No Skillz inc. 212	Posted - 2014.12.16 16:03:00 - [18] - Quote Vektus Alvoraan wrote: So is it acceptable to charge a small fee for logistics/medic support for the team? I'm really on the fence about this. Should I charge fees for shooting the enemy in massive numbers? GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥
Vektus Alvoraan WarRavens Capital Punishment. 22	Posted - 2014.12.16 16:06:00 - [19] - Quote Guns for Glory wrote: Vektus Alvoraan wrote: I never really implied to DEMANDING payment. I simply stated (and I might've worded it out wrong) that I was wondering if it is okay to ask for a tip for going the extra mile for the team in securing a win. Think of it like the barber fish. They join in on a flock of larger fish and provide services, such a cleaning their gills and removing bacteria from the fish's body, essentially maintaining them in top condition. The larger fish, in return, give them food, but only if the barber fish goes the extra mile, indicating to the larger fish that he deserves a tip for not doing a mediocre job. Pay the heavies for protecting you and letting you get SP! It's not the SP that I refer to when I mean "not getting ample reward". It's the ISK. Lately I've been getting crap in pub payments even when I'm burning through suits like hot cupcakes, keeping the heavies killing and assaults assaulting, dying a lot in the process. I don't care about the SP rewards in the least. I am always the support character in every game I play, because I enjoy doing that the most. And in Dust, it USED to greatly reward team support. So for the most part, if the pool reward wasn't as unfair as it is right now, I wouldn't even be typing this. DUST 514 Closed Beta Vet - 26 million Lifetime SP - Humble Logibro
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 1151	Posted - 2014.12.16 16:18:00 - [20] - Quote Vektus Alvoraan wrote: I never really implied to DEMANDING payment. I simply stated (and I might've worded it out wrong) that I was wondering if it is okay to ask for a tip for going the extra mile for the team in securing a win. Think of it like the barber fish. They join in on a flock of larger fish and provide services, such a cleaning their gills and removing bacteria from the fish's body, essentially maintaining them in top condition. The larger fish, in return, give them food, but only if the barber fish goes the extra mile, indicating to the larger fish that he deserves a tip for not doing a mediocre job. Except in the fish scenario, the bigger fish doesnt directly give it food (ISK), but instead indirectly feeds it by giving it what it gets from its job. The Barber Fish only eats the grime it cleans, AKA the WP from supporting. That's its pay, not a direct feeding. Official QuafeGäó Advocate Anti-FoTM Prof. V Forum Scavenger Prof. V

Meee One Amakakeru-Ryu-no-Hirameki 1392	Posted - 2014.12.16 16:26:00 - [21] - Quote Vektus Alvoraan wrote: I always run MinLogi fits, repping, reviving, and resupplying teammates as the moment needs for it. Sometimes I even go through harms way, dying often, only to receive sub-par commendation at best from the EOM rewards. And this is even when I rack up +3000 WP, with a 0/5-6 KDR. Are my risk vs. reward antics worth it? I don't know. Sometimes I can't help but feel like it doesn't. So is it acceptable to charge a small fee for logistics/medic support for the team? I'm really on the fence about this. OP,i went through the same feeling before. Here's how i overcame it. 1)Solo-so you remove the 'need' to impress your allies,and remove the 'need' to die for them. 2)Support a random blueberry,preferably a competent one. 2a) Occasionally switch support targets if the one you were supporting dies. 3)Don't run skirmish for a while (or ever again),it's terrible unless you have a squad. (which would return that 'need' to die feeling) 4)Get used to running away,and abandoning any doomed allies.(it saves costs) 5)Rearrange your fittings(or make fittings specifically for soloing) to be speed and regeneration based to be a better solo player. 6)Carry fluxes to flux blues that call for help surrounded by enemies. (to remove the annoying animation) 7)Tell potential squad mates that you won't support suicide charges,and that if they do them,they're on their own. 8)Tell potential squad mates that you'll need cover before a battle. 9)If the potential squad mates have any problems with you not wanting to suicide with them,or refuse to give you cover,leave squad immediately,then start at #1 again. As to charging,that's up to you. Doctors do get paid too. Just ignore the nonlogi trolls insulting you because you make more WP than them cough assaults cough. Official Blueberry of the Forums. Title given by my #1 fan Sgt Kirk.
King Bolly Eternal Beings Dark Taboo 17	Posted - 2014.12.16 16:31:00 - [22] - Quote Vektus Alvoraan wrote: I always run MinLogi fits, repping, reviving, and resupplying teammates as the moment needs for it. Sometimes I even go through harms way, dying often, only to receive sub-par commendation at best from the EOM rewards. And this is even when I rack up +3000 WP, with a 0/5-6 KDR. Are my risk vs. reward antics worth it? I don't know. Sometimes I can't help but feel like it doesn't. So is it acceptable to charge a small fee for logistics/medic support for the team? I'm really on the fence about this. it is not unreasonable. when you join a squad you should discuss it. most people who want a logi will not have a problem paying you even if its for half your suit. I run ads and I suggest my gunners give an optional donation of half the price of the ship. if they do not pay I don't take it personal.
thehellisgoingon The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 70	Posted - 2014.12.16 16:33:00 - [23] - Quote I have a sentinel. He has a hmg with proficiency 5. The question here is who wants the guardian points.
LAVALLOIS Nash QcGOLD 344	Posted - 2014.12.16 16:48:00 - [24] - Quote Vektus Alvoraan wrote: I always run MinLogi fits, repping, reviving, and resupplying teammates as the moment needs for it. Sometimes I even go through harms way, dying often, only to receive sub-par commendation at best from the EOM rewards. And this is even when I rack up +3000 WP, with a 0/5-6 KDR. Are my risk vs. reward antics worth it? I don't know. Sometimes I can't help but feel like it doesn't. So is it acceptable to charge a small fee for logistics/medic support for the team? I'm really on the fence about this. Ignore these children with their petty insults and their sense of entitlement. if you want to charge for your services, thats your right. And why shouldn't you? Why should you be the one risking your wealth so that some squad who coulndt survive if they were alone...gets another crutch, for free. Does that sound reasonable? Now, im not saying never rev or rep people unless youre paid. But feel free to do it on your own schedule. Thats means if you see a squad of, say, Guns For Glory all bleeding out on the side of the road, and you feel like resupplying a different area instead of helping them, feel free to step over their Calling For Help bodies. Cause the thing is, anyone that has enough foresight to pay a solider of fortune for help instead of expecting it for free or relying on loyalty....probably has a good head on their shoulders and is good for running with. Those are the people you want to look for to advance your game. People that feel like they are entitled to your time, effort and wealth, well, those are probably the bad players of the game who feel everything is owed to them. You can only get dragged down trying to work with people like that. TL;DR: Its acceptable and encouraged.
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 450	Posted - 2014.12.16 16:49:00 - [25] - Quote Vektus Alvoraan wrote: I never really implied to DEMANDING payment. I simply stated (and I might've worded it out wrong) that I was wondering if it is okay to ask for a tip for going the extra mile for the team in securing a win. Think of it like the barber fish. They join in on a flock of larger fish and provide services, such a cleaning their gills and removing bacteria from the fish's body, essentially maintaining them in top condition. The larger fish, in return, give them food, but only if the barber fish goes the extra mile, indicating to the larger fish that he deserves a tip for not doing a mediocre job. Yeah bro, the big fish turns to the barber fish at the MacDonald s drive through and asks him what he wants. It's not uncommon for the big fish to ask the barber fish for petrol money and a haircut either. K den. Do not try and bend the K den. That's impossible. Instead... only try to realize the truth. There is no k den.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 4943	Posted - 2014.12.16 16:54:00 - [26] - Quote I'm happy to accept payment when people send me ISK for keeping them alive but I'm profitable on my own so I don't ask for it. It's a symbiotic realtionship really, I already get paid in WP. (The godfather of tactical logistics)
LAVALLOIS Nash QcGOLD 344	Posted - 2014.12.16 16:58:00 - [27] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Requiring a fee to join someone's squad makes you an asshat. Does your corporation offer some kind of logi bonus? Ask them if they provide an ISK incentive to squad with corpmates a logi. Alot of people like to be personal mercenaries, not some corporation owned stooge. If i wanted to belong to an military organization i would play a game like Battlefield. Here, I work for myself, and part of being autonomous is that, as an independent contractor, i reserve the right to charge for my services. LUGMOS wrote: Vektus Alvoraan wrote: I never really implied to DEMANDING payment. I simply stated (and I might've worded it out wrong) that I was wondering if it is okay to ask for a tip for going the extra mile for the team in securing a win. Think of it like the barber fish. They join in on a flock of larger fish and provide services, such a cleaning their gills and removing bacteria from the fish's body, essentially maintaining them in top condition. The larger fish, in return, give them food, but only if the barber fish goes the extra mile, indicating to the larger fish that he deserves a tip for not doing a mediocre job. Except in the fish scenario, the bigger fish doesnt directly give it food (ISK), but instead indirectly feeds it by giving it what it gets from its job. The Barber Fish only eats the grime it cleans, AKA the WP from supporting. That's its pay, not a direct feeding. Except, this is a FIRST PERSON SHOOTER game, and Im not going to stand behind someone for 20 mins with a rep tool going just so that they have have a better shooter game where they die less. Atleast not for free. Its not fun, its not profitable. However, for a fee, thats a different story. Cause heres the thing. if im in game and I have absolutely nothing else to do, ok, Chiron logi comes out. But because im doing it on my own time, and reserve the right to pursue a more profitable less risky job at any moment I choose, you dont know when your logi will disappear. So your whole parasite analogy is wrong, as I dont rely on repping heavies for my survival. Its a choice, not an obligation. And if you want some dedication, you are going to pay for it instead of just counting on me to be a good guy and take losses for you. Im not a damn charity, this is supposed to be a profitable venture in the EVE universe. Profitable for me. Remember that.
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2397	Posted - 2014.12.16 17:18:00 - [28] - Quote LAVALLOIS Nash wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Requiring a fee to join someone's squad makes you an asshat. Does your corporation offer some kind of logi bonus? Ask them if they provide an ISK incentive to squad with corpmates a logi. Alot of people like to be personal mercenaries, not some corporation owned stooge. If i wanted to belong to an military organization i would play a game like Battlefield. Here, I work for myself, and part of being autonomous is that, as an independent contractor, i reserve the right to charge for my services. LUGMOS wrote: Vektus Alvoraan wrote: I never really implied to DEMANDING payment. I simply stated (and I might've worded it out wrong) that I was wondering if it is okay to ask for a tip for going the extra mile for the team in securing a win. Think of it like the barber fish. They join in on a flock of larger fish and provide services, such a cleaning their gills and removing bacteria from the fish's body, essentially maintaining them in top condition. The larger fish, in return, give them food, but only if the barber fish goes the extra mile, indicating to the larger fish that he deserves a tip for not doing a mediocre job. Except in the fish scenario, the bigger fish doesnt directly give it food (ISK), but instead indirectly feeds it by giving it what it gets from its job. The Barber Fish only eats the grime it cleans, AKA the WP from supporting. That's its pay, not a direct feeding. Except, this is a FIRST PERSON SHOOTER game, and Im not going to stand behind someone for 20 mins with a rep tool going just so that they have have a better shooter game where they die less. Atleast not for free. Its not fun, its not profitable. However, for a fee, thats a different story. Cause heres the thing. if im in game and I have absolutely nothing else to do, ok, Chiron logi comes out. But because im doing it on my own time, and reserve the right to pursue a more profitable less risky job at any moment I choose, you dont know when your logi will disappear. So your whole parasite analogy is wrong, as I dont rely on repping heavies for my survival. Its a choice, not an obligation. And if you want some dedication, you are going to pay for it instead of just counting on me to be a good guy and take losses for you. Im not a damn charity, this is supposed to be a profitable venture in the EVE universe. Profitable for me. Remember that. +1 Well said, merc! PSN: RationalSpark
Repe Susi Rautaleijona 1597	Posted - 2014.12.16 17:20:00 - [29] - Quote Vektus Alvoraan wrote: I always run MinLogi fits, repping, reviving, and resupplying teammates as the moment needs for it. Sometimes I even go through harms way, dying often, only to receive sub-par commendation at best from the EOM rewards. And this is even when I rack up +3000 WP, with a 0/5-6 KDR. Are my risk vs. reward antics worth it? I don't know. Sometimes I can't help but feel like it doesn't. So is it acceptable to charge a small fee for logistics/medic support for the team? I'm really on the fence about this. Ask your corporation to reimburse you? Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome. ~ Isaac Asimov
SteelheadPep SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 157	Posted - 2014.12.16 18:03:00 - [30] - Quote I will admit running a Logi is expensive,and takes alot of SP to skill into all of the different equipment areas, but that is the nature of that fitting.Im sure you can find someone to pay for your logi services, but a team player does not. Have been a logi from open beta and will ask the squad im in what they want, usually come in with Amar with uplinks, then switch to Mini for reps, of Gal for scans, all suits have pen and rep (usually double beam).If you are with a good squad/ team everyone makes out. Im able to run proto in Gal,Mini,andAmar if asked. Squad leads don't want to here someone asking about extra playment to do their part, so take it from an old logi and do your job and do what is needed to help your squad, that sould be payment enough.



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