I was thinking we could add in a built in module like LLAV's had and LOGI dropships had.

Enforcer built in example modules with no cost to slots- (not Particularly powerful)
-heat sink (10-20%)
-turret rotation mod
-ect.

Marauder built in with no expense to slots-
-Siege- Tank gets 15-20% passive shield/armor hardener for 30 secs, cool down 1 minute depending on whether it is Sagaris or Surya.
-ect.

I don't know, just think it's cool. teammates will be noted when siege module is activated. Like a distress signal.


Why- because they will help the role without making them permanent and OP. You would agree and I would too if Marauders with 5/2 layout have passive 20% resistances but with built in modules they can for a limited time. This creates a whole new dynamic play style.

Marauders would engage when siege modules are ready as back up. When not recharged, it might not be such a good idea to engage say an Enforcer tank. The modules would be their to give a little extra out of the performance of your tank.


Now what worries me are multiple hardeners. A Sagaris driving around with 3 hardeners and two heavy complex shield extenders along with a siege module ready to go.

I would limit hardeners to two, I would also make it so when siege module is active, all previously active modules be shut off.

First off lets work on what we have not to balance HAV aka modules we fit to our own tanks. That way we know at a fundamental level the modules at least work.

Regarding the Large Blaster...... there is a lot of work that can be done on that.

I wholly believe the large blaster could do with a per shot damage buff to the Scattered Blaster Variant levels mainly to improve the over all turret DPS which would still be very low. That or the blaster could be wholly redesigned.

The thing about the old Marauder tanks that most people who AV now think they understand is that a maxxed out HAV pilot had usually 150.1 damage per shot with a 30% damage boost without modules. Couple that with Low Slot damage mods and you have a 200+ damage per shot weapon and well over 1400 DPS.

Arguably that is where the blasters DPS should be vs the Rail gun..... but that's a whole different topic.

A Siege Module if introduce would have to be its own module. Basically what they do is improve all resistances by a set amount, damage by a set amount, and rep rates by a set amount but have a strict and unalterable duration and cool down where the Marauder cannot move at all.

In Dust something like this would be too OP and also crippling to a tank. If a Siege Module were in the game it would have to be something like an Improved Damage Control Unit.

NEVER.

No vehicle deserves a passive 168 regen per second for not having to fit anything......especially if new tanks are going to have 4+ slots and old modules are coming back.

For a tank they should be down below 100 (even when buffed by modules) so that damage applied to a Shield HAV last longer on the hull like it does for an armour tank.

While the discussion is great, I think we way be getting a little carried away with deeper level ideas. Perhaps we should refocus on a couple core issues that need to be hammered out first.

1. Consideration of increasing slot layout to 4/2 and 2/4 with a decrease base HP for balancing purposes
2. Address discrepancy between regen and eHP for shields vs armor (Possibly focus on reintroduction of 180mm Armor Plates to push Armor HP higher while shields maintain higher regen)
3. Address discrepancy between fitting capability of Gunnlogi vs Madrugar

I have no idea. Im guessing he didnt read like....the next post which says "Yeah, I mean that for Standard HAVs"

I think in general we're all probably being a little more hostile than we should be, myself included. Lets all take a deep breath, relax, and get back to the subject at hand in a polite and constructive manner ^_^

Lets outline a couple of the key points I think most of us agree on.

1. Increase Slot layout for standard HAVs to 4/2 and 2/4 paired with a decrease in base HP to put less emphasis on the hull and more emphasis on the modules themselves
2. At the least bring back PG/CPU boosting skills to compensate for the additional fitted module. (Will this overbuff dropships?)
3. Madrugar needs an additional increase to resources, mostly in CPU but PG as well.
4. Reintroduce 180mm Armor Plates as the "standard" fitting for a Madrugar to push its eHP higher to offset the Gunnlogi's strong HP regen.
5. Reintroduce Active Armor Reps
6. Potentially remove delay from Shield recharge, lower recharge rate, allow it to recharge under fire. (Will this be confusing for players because it breaks convention from how Dropsuit Defenses work?)
6a. Allow players to fit a Recharge to increase passive regen by a low-moderate amount constantly
6b. Allow players to fit a Booster to increase regen rate greatly for a limited time with a cooldown

I'd like to get an actual document set up in the next couple days with a solid outline.

They could be depending on whether or not we here can come with a way to abuse 5 slots.....

Old values aren't too bad. What were your thoughts?

Yeah I think I proved that to some guys today. Accidentally rolled into a Raillogi and a Railgar.....and successfully did a figure 8 around them on a cliff side to kill the Maddy and escape.

Ok, you were going with 5/3 before, which seemed like too much of an upgrade over the Standard 4/2. I think 5/2 is much more reasonable.

15% less damage is unreasonable suggestion. Do we penalize sentinels with damage reduction because they have more HP and resistances over the normal heavy suits.. NO.. Then why marauders? Where is this logic coming from. You can't just simply take a weapon and reduce it's damage.

For example- if you take a M16 from a soldiers hands and put it in the hand of a Terrorist, no matter what- that gun will still do the same amount of damage as it did in soldiers hands, it will travel same speed. ect.

Old Marauder Skills were 4% Turret Damage per level. Blasters for the Surya and Missiles for the Sagaris.

Marauder Videos

Surya Gameplay

Sagaris Gameplay

Vayu Gameplay

On any tank I've ever piloted I've given priority to durability and then to fire power....... given how the Gunnlogi currently works I fit mine following this archetype.

Main Rack : Proto ( I may make concessions for items like the Shield Hardener and Damage Module as all that is affected is cool down timers)
Off Rack : Proto Fitting (most likely since there are no utility modules I need or want in lows)
Main Turret: Always Proto (even on Sica)
Small Turrets: Usually Basic (but on my fits designed to a crew I always use proto)

TL;DR - I cannot think of a reason on the Gunnlogi as it is now to every need anything more than a Proto Tier Tank and a Main Gun which I can always fit. Proto fitting is usually if I want higher tier small turrets alongside a Blaster or wish to stack an armour plate.
PRO tank modules allows me to actually stay on the field for a moderate amount of time and react to anti tanks rounds, while the gun allows me to compete with and dominate lesser tanks and infantry.

On my old Madrugar from Uprising I hatd two fits one Heavy Tank and one Light Scout Tank

Ion Cannon
Basic Blasters

Prototype 180mm Plates
Prototype Hardeners
Inefficient Heavy Repper (cuz I wuz skrub den)

Prototype Heat Sink
Prototype Damage Control

LSHAV

Ion Cannon
Basic Blasters

Proto120mm Plates
Pro Passive Armour Resistance
Pro High Through-Put Damage Module
Mid Tier Repper

Mid Tier Scanner
Proto Heat Sink

The former HAV was the 6375 Main Battke Maddy you saw everywhere but not full optimised while the former was a high DPS, low EHP, fast little hellion ala the enforcer but cheaper.

Different fitting costs and different HP/s

The name itself was just flavor text, the axed it in favor of the Basic/Enhanced/Complex progression for clarity.