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abdullah muzaffar
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.12.14 22:57:00 -
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If there was a 2x logo, 2x heavy(am/gal) squad, would a core focused or a six kin be better? This is assuming bricks and the squad sticks together. |
Megaman Trigger
Knights of Eternal Darkness
League of Infamy
145
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Posted - 2014.12.15 00:17:00 -
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If the Logi and Sentinels are sticking together, then a pair of Six Kin is better than a pair of Core Focused (2x 88HP/s > 125HP/s)
Purifier. First Class.
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abdullah muzaffar
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
94
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Posted - 2014.12.15 08:33:00 -
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Then why do people bring core focused in PCs? Is there any advantage I'm unaware of or is it that they like big numbers? |
Megaman Trigger
Knights of Eternal Darkness
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.12.16 00:00:00 -
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Core Focused works best if you need to deal out quick, high HP reps and are the only Logi repping. The other use is multiple Core Focused on a single Sentinel. 4 or more Core Focused can make a Sentinel bullet proof vs small arms.
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Kaze Eyrou
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1126
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Posted - 2014.12.16 07:50:00 -
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On paper, the Core Focused tool is the best tool to use when repairing a single dropsuit that is in serious need of Triage...
However in battle situations, many people are clustered and moving around quite a lot. The resulting chaos, in my experience, has been the blocking of a confused blueberry while the intended repair target moves too far out of range and proceeds to die because the Core Focused has an abysmal 7.5m range.
You could argue that the repair tool gets boosted to 11.25m with the Minmatar Logistics 5 bonus, but an advanced or prototype repair tool will reach out to a base of 15m with a boost of 22.5m.
Not to mention, when you are repairing two targets, you have effectively doubled the 70 reps/s base or the 88 reps/s base on the Triage. Boosted that goes to 87.5 reps/s and 110 reps/s on Triage for one target.
In other words, repairing 2 targets at the same time with the Minmatar Logistics 5 and Six Kin Triage Repair Tool means 220 reps/s.
Final answer: Six Kin Triage Repair Tool is the way to go. You can't repair what's out of range.
(Bonus answer: If you have Minmatar LP, the REAL repair tool to use in the Boundless Repair Tool, which repairs more than the Triage, uses 2 less PG, and doesn't receive diminished effected repair vehicles or installations like the Triage does. It is THE ultimate repair tool.)
CB Vet // Logi Bro // @KazeEyrou
Learning Coalition Mentor // Bug Vaporizer
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abdullah muzaffar
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
97
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Posted - 2014.12.16 07:57:00 -
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Thank you. Its what I keep trying to tell them FC, but no one listens. Also, I do use a Boundless if I have Minnie Lp, its super awesome.
But still, I haven't figured out why the wp cap for reps is so low. Can't seem to reset it until I respawn. |
Megaman Trigger
Knights of Eternal Darkness
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.12.16 12:06:00 -
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You either need to respawn or wait a long while. I think it was added to both stop Logi's from earning vast amounts of WP for repping and also cuts back on boosting (Friend on other team shoots Heavy until he's weak, you rep Heavy, reeast.)
Purifier. First Class.
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Kaze Eyrou
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1129
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Posted - 2014.12.16 23:17:00 -
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Megaman Trigger wrote:You either need to respawn or wait a long while. I think it was added to both stop Logi's from earning vast amounts of WP for repping and also cuts back on boosting (Friend on other team shoots Heavy until he's weak, you rep Heavy, reeast.)
Pretty much this. When earn Triage points at a fast rate, you can eventually hit a cooldown phase which lasts about a minute. The point where the minute starts, whether it's when you earn your first tick of Triage or when you earn the maximum alloted Triage within a certain time period is still up for debate.
Another thing to note is you only receive Triage points from a friendly who has recently damaged an enemy in the last 30 seconds or 1 minute. Again, I'm not sure of the exact timing, but I do know I have had squadmates that I normally run with purposefully get damaged in order for me to earn Triage. I would not get points of them, but other people in the area that were battling came by and I was able to get Triage points off them, letting me know I was not on Triage Cooldown. Further, once I told my squadmates this, and the moment they dealt damage to the enemy team, I began to receive Triage points.
It's actually quite a complicated system when you start explaining the entire process.
CB Vet // Logi Bro // @KazeEyrou
Learning Coalition Mentor // Bug Vaporizer
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Dubya Guy
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
117
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Posted - 2014.12.17 19:29:00 -
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Yep. What Kaze says. On both questions.
Now if your scenario was 1 Heavy and 2 Logi's, the choice is a little harder. Some would argue that one Logi should use a core focus and hug the Heavy, while the other held back with a six kin and repped them both.
In personal experience, I still find that both Logi's using six kins (or regular core non-focus when running 'cheap') leads to better squad survival because of the range and the ability for the two Logi's to rep each other and alternate taking bullets and ducking for cover till healed.
I even question the value of core focus with a 1:1 ratio. That range limit is a real bear and repping a random blueberry standing next to your heavy may benefit him more than the few more points you can give him because while that blueberry lives, your heavy is not the sole target for bullets. Only in very specialized circumstances when a lot of moving around the map is anticipated, and I'm not trailing a "speed heavy" do I use core focus.
FPS = First Person Support. Kills win battles but it's kinda hard to kill if you're dead and out of ammo.
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Duke Noobiam
The Dukes of Death
292
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Posted - 2014.12.17 20:11:00 -
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Good advise and strong points made by MegaMan, Kaze and Dubya. Just wanted to add that IMO, the "Republic Boundless repair tool" is the best repair tool in the game...
- Requires 150 republic (minmatar) loyalty points to purchase.
- Has the best range of all repair tools at 20 metres (30*).
- Can repair 2 targets at one time.
- Repair rate of 90 hp/s (112.5*).
That said, when running a solo logi in Pubs I use the BDR2 repair tool 60 hp/s (75*) on an M-1 frame. This is a cheap suit that allows me to run both isk and kdr positive.
When I'm running in a squad with one or more armor tanked team-mates then I run an M/1 with a Six-Kin triage tool (Massive warpoints are gained), I usually remain ISK and KDR positive.
I save the boundless repair tool for my mk0 and only use it sparingly. Tough to remain ISK positive in a 200K+ ISK dropsuit.
* Proto minmatar logi. |
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
5111
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Posted - 2015.01.12 21:49:00 -
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I've always felt the BDR-8 was the most cost-effective and is my go-to for cheap fits. Proto tool repair rate for a lot less ISK.
(The godfather of tactical logisticsGäó)
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lee corwood
Knights Of Ender
RISE of LEGION
1122
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Posted - 2015.01.12 22:11:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:I've always felt the BDR-8 was the most cost-effective and is my go-to for cheap fits. Proto tool repair rate for a lot less ISK.
This. I use this in pubs and bring out the good stuff in PC. I find the ADV is more than adequate for pub demands especially with the range it has.
I don't think the cap is that bad. It's high enough for me to be my own orbital most good games. Also with a good use of better needles lately, I'm rarely capping as often with less HP to heal overall.
And Kaze, I find it humorous that while friendly damage doesn't seem to award points, repping a friendly who team kills will still net you a +35 guardian. Which is strange...
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TEBOW BAGGINS
GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING
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Posted - 2015.01.12 23:04:00 -
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abdullah muzaffar wrote:Thank you. Its what I keep trying to tell them FC, but no one listens. Also, I do use a Boundless if I have Minnie Lp, its super awesome.
But still, I haven't figured out why the wp cap for reps is so low. Can't seem to reset it until I respawn.
you can thank the old clan THE WARRIORS used to farm rep WP in the redline all match and spam orbitals
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
2874
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Posted - 2015.01.14 17:51:00 -
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Almost without exception, I prefer the two beam tools.
The one exception is when you're paired with only one heavy and it's likely to stay that way -- which is to say practically never. |
Leadfoot10
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
2874
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Posted - 2015.01.14 17:53:00 -
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abdullah muzaffar wrote:Edit:Also, can somebody tell me how you can reset your rep wp cap?
Four ways:
1) Switch suits to one with a different repper;
2) Switch to a suit that has no repper then back to one that does;
3) Die & respawn; or
4) Wait for the timer to reset.
On a related note, when in doubt about Logis, listen to Kaze.  |
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