Note to infantry:

You should be a deterrent, not the nuclear option. We've been telling you for over a year how to destroy us, tailored to individual vehicles. You've never taken our advice, instead sticking to your idea that you should be the end-all solution. I've said many times that a Wiyrkomi Breach is able to destroy an armor with base HP in one shot, but you've never believed me. It's called the rear end. You get 167% efficiency when you hit a tank in the power plant. The PRO breach at proficiency 5, on a Caldari sentinel could vaporize a tank in one shot. You all kept saying GÇ£you can't do that, it's impossible,GÇ¥ yet forget that infantry weapons have a headshot multiplier. Tanks have their multiplier in the back. But, you never wait for that perfect opportunity, choosing instead to engage it at the very first opportunity you get. That is when the pilot is aware, and more often than not has modules ready to go to prevent them from being destroyed. You cannot take out a tank in such a manner, unless it's a MLT tank, and the pilot has no clue as to what to do.

The previous Packed Lai Dai AV grenades did around 2000 damage each, after the armor damage bonus if they hit a vehicle with no shield. Those are nuclear baseball, and rightly deserved a damage nerf, and should get another one, to keep with AV being a deterrent. Swarms should do less damage, as they now travel faster than an assault dropship can fly, along with being able to travel 400m, avoiding obstacles, going around corners, and flying an inch above the ground to hit vehicles that are below the plane of a road. Forge guns are good in that they require aim, but again, should do less damage to vehicles in keeping with AV being a deterrent. The plasma cannon requires more aim and timing than the forge gun, and oddly is the only AV weapon that has a damage bonus against shields.

I'm not familiar with EVE lore, but that sounds odd to me.

General:

LAV: fast transport around the battlefield on the ground - lightly armored vehicle.
- Logistics LAV: slightly slower than the STD LAV; remote shield booster for vehicles, remote shield transporter for infantry; remote armor repairs for infantry and armor, separate modules. The remote modules should be area of effect, as the old modules were very difficult to use, doubly so when there was enemy fire and a vehicle or infantry needed repairs. When first activated, the driver was able to freely move the direction to lock on to whatever needed shield/armor, then the direction was locked back forward; the driver was able to move once the lock was established.

HAV: hulking behemoths of the battlefield on the ground GÇô heavily armored vehicles, able to take a beating and dish out punishment, putting the fear of God into the enemy.
- Marauder HAV: slight speed reduction from their STD level counterparts, able to throw higher damage at the cost of top speed. No more than a 75% reduction in speed when the siege module is active (infantry have called for them to stop moving completely, but there is no combat without movement).
- Enforcer HAV: slight speed reduction from their STD level counterparts, able to take extreme punishment at the cost of top speed. No more than a 75% reduction in speed when the siege module is active.

Dropship: rapid air transport around the battlefield GÇô able to take enough punishment to drop troops on the field, then leave the area to pick up and drop off more troops where they're needed.
- Assault Dropship: Fast flying, damage dealing ships with high agility. Missile variants for anti-infantry and anti-vehicle. Small railgun for strictly anti-vehicle work.
- Logistics Dropship: Slow flying, heavily armored with the sole purpose of moving troops around the battlefield, able to remotely repair vehicles and infantry, with an on board mCRU, no side turrets. Remote armor repairs and shield boosting should be area of effect in a cone shape pointed towards the ground. Should be high enough that it doesn't have to scrape the ground in order to use the remote modules.

Modules, current and proposed modules to return:

Shield extenders, shield boosters, active shield hardeners, remote shield boosters (infantry and vehicle), passive shield hardeners, active armor repairs, active armor hardeners, passive armor hardeners, remote armor repairs (infantry and vehicle), active damage modules, active coolant modules, CPU expansion modules, active scanners, powergrid expansion modules, nitrous injectors, afterburners.

Proposed skills:

Marauder Operation: +2% duration to siege module per level
Caldari Marauder Operation: +5% rotation speed to railgun/missile turrets per level
Gallente Marauder Operation: +2% rotation speed to hybrid/blaster turrets per level

Assault Dropship Operation: +2% damage per level
Caldari Assault Dropship Operation: +2% rate of fire and ammo capacity per level
Gallente Assault Dropship Operation: +2% rate of fire and ammo capacity per level

Logistics Dropship Operation: - 10% reduction to mCRU spawn time per level, +5% remote module range per level
Caldari Logistics Dropship Operation: +2% remote shield booster rate per level
Gallente Logistics Dropship Operation: +2% remote armor repair rate per level

Logistics LAV Operation: +2% remote module range per level
Caldari Logistics LAV Operation: +2% remote shield booster rate per level
Gallente Logistics LAV Operation: +2% remote armor repair rate per level

Enforcer HAV Operation: +2% to duration of siege module per level
Caldari Enforcer HAV Operation: +5% shield resistance per level
Gallente Enforcers HAV Operation: +5% armor resistance per level

how can you expect physics to affect infantry but not vehicles. i shouldn't have been surprised to see a 1 sided argument from you

your examples are 1) a car hitting a soft unarmored target. if that was a statue made of steel the approx size and weight of a dropsuit that vehicle would be destroyed also. if that vehicle hit a wall it would be destroyed, if that vehicle hit another vehicle it would be destroyed. 2) as for the guy getting crushed. well its all all down to ground pressure. dust vehicles don't slowly run over a soft target exerting its whole weight on one spot. its spread out. this is the reason tanks don't just sink into the ground. you can run over someones legs with a tank and not break a single bone.

hit a reinforced object like a wall and that tank is going to take huge damage. i have seen it before in RL a tank hitting a rock and virtually splitting in 2. i know what you are going to say and that this is not rl and we have shields etc. well so do dropsuits and physics is real. you can't have real physics for 1 thing and make up the rest for yourself.

i say go for real physics for kills but you must have the same physics also affecting you in the same way.

so that means a swarm hitting a flying vehicle will violently shake it, a rail hitting a tank will slow it down and shake it throwing off its aim slightly. vehicles colliding will destroy each other or have them sustain hugh damage

also why do you feel the need to always blame the infantry. you reap what you sow. you constantly place vehicles above all other playstyles like they are the most important things and i know you will turn this into me being anti vehicle like you always do but i never have been. i'm anti players with your attitude in every role that that thinks they are something special and that every other players views are irrelevant.

I agree with OP that I enjoyed seeing and being a part of bigger tank battles, with escalation. I also agree that since we are having tanks in the game, there should be some variety, preferably some stone/paper/scissors. The entry point seems to be the most difficult, in "why do I need Tanks in my infantry game"

Maybe the Marauder can be that take and hold monster, that has small turrets and is incredibly difficult to dislodge and requires tank destroyer HAV's.

Vehicles are far more SP intensive than the AV skills are.

The 3rd volley from a swarm is now always guaranteed to hit. A dropship needs everything it can possibly get to increase survivability not only from AV, but from guys in tanks like me. As it stands now, with 2 damage mods, I can 2-shot any ADS out of the sky if I catch it cold.

No, I didn't get them mixed up.

I deliberately swapped the skills. I didn't get them mixed up.

Why not?