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DeathwindRising
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Posted - 2014.12.14 16:14:00 -
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OmniScans - http://youtu.be/UwZQeBWaGHs
MoreScan MoreKill - http://youtu.be/qRiqgNvAO0Y
All scouts no matter what, must be scanned by a proto focused scanner on a gallente logistics suit. its designed to defeat max dampened scouts as their counter. But what does it mean for everyone not a scout? You end up potentially facing something like what i did in these videos.
you cant hide, you cant out flank or out maneuver, everything you do is telegraphed. For a competent team, you cant do anything to counter it. having no counter means there's a flaw in design. Granted, im not using focused scans, because thats not my goal in these videos.
My goal is to force all scout to dampen and make themselves useless in combat. at the same time , im scanning everyone else. ive basically helped defeat an entire team by rendering helpless.
im not sure if scan mechanics are intended to be like this, but these video show that scans need to be completely rethought.
the omniscans video will show my team destroying 138 clones while losing only 13. could be team balancing at fault in addition to the scans.
why should ONE player have so much power?
what good are passive scans, when most weapons ranges are well outside your scan range? Passive scan are useless. |
DeathwindRising
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Posted - 2014.12.14 16:40:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Giving an instant YouLose button for any player to use against a suit is not a counter.
Its cheap gameplay that bad players with 0 situational awareness rely upon.
I guess 3 slots and a cloak active isn't enough for you....
on my proto gal logi... i run 4 flux scanners. i can omni scan two different locations or 180 degrees in front of me permanently.
all my slots are ewar mods.
3 complex damps
2 complex range amps
4 complex precision enhancers |
DeathwindRising
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Posted - 2014.12.14 16:48:00 -
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the problem i feel is that allowing you to scan full dampened scouts closes the door to everyone who wanted to participate in ewar.
youre supposed to give up hp for ewar to gain an advantage, but this simply lord of the rings' one ring to rule all others.
youre not a scout, then gal logi says no ewar for you. simple as that. and its not even a huge isk invest for the suit. the std logi fit i used was 50k to scan a whole team by myself.
we still have the same issue of either scouts are invisible to everyone or the whole team gets scanned. neither option is good design, which is why i say the whole thing should be scrapped and started over |
DeathwindRising
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Posted - 2014.12.14 17:39:00 -
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jace silencerww wrote:DeathwindRising wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Giving an instant YouLose button for any player to use against a suit is not a counter.
Its cheap gameplay that bad players with 0 situational awareness rely upon.
I guess 3 slots and a cloak active isn't enough for you.... on my proto gal logi... i run 4 flux scanners. i can omni scan two different locations or 180 degrees in front of me permanently. all my slots are ewar mods. 3 complex damps 2 complex range amps 4 complex precision enhancers lol really? so here are your ewar stats. scan profile aka db of 22.65 but ewar rounds to the closest whole number lol so 23 db scan range- max is 48.75 so 49 at long, 24 at medium, 10 at short 4 precision... how? a gal logi has 3 high slots? lol 3 precision is 21.71 again it rounds so 22db so your yea lets look at the long, medium & short db scans & range of yours. long range is 31db at 49 meters medium range is 24 db at 24 meters short range is 12 db at 10 meters. so a proto gal & cald scout with 2 complex damps can get within 10 meters before the show up on your passive scans. too late to stop a shotgun from killing you.
except short range scan are so short that it wouldnt matter either way if you saw them. your in range of shotguns and only a couple meters from nova knives.
i only run the ewar mods to hide from non scouts. i expect scouts to come looking for me, which they do. but the point is that one guy running scans isnt much of a loss to his team. so even if i didnt scan anything due to scouts running damps and cloaks it would make a difference to me, because our team could use other options. brick tank heavies are one idea, and mass driver spam on choke points are another i could think of using against damped scouts.
BUT all that said... the point of any of this was to know if what im doing in the videos are within intended design. im not sure if they are or not |
DeathwindRising
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Posted - 2014.12.14 17:40:00 -
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Kaze Eyrou wrote:"Handheld weapon needs a name" xD Also, even if you are giving scans, you are still reliant on the combat ability of your team. In your first video, you were going up against a bunch of known corps, but the players were still using out of date strategies while your ground team was chewing them to bits. I could easily create a video that says "Scans aren't powerful enough" using the same exact layout going against a team of double dampened scouts and consistently receiving "Some Margin of Error" and receiving no intel data, with exceptions to vehicles and equipment.
Anyways, you and I should squad up some time. 
i remember you... you used to squad with guys from rogue spades a long time ago? |
DeathwindRising
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Posted - 2014.12.15 17:17:00 -
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Aidualc wrote:logi Gal 0.k is now op? lol.... ha ha ha... nice joke...
a scout with 2-3 damps can kill you behind...
OP is shooting with a shotgun cloaked... and was nerfed
you dont need to use proto gal logi if youre lvl 5. you can use standard just fine to save isk. get dropped off on a tower where scouts cant get you and youre fine. |
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Posted - 2014.12.15 17:18:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:DeathwindRising wrote:
All scouts no matter what, must be scanned by a proto focused scanner on a gallente logistics suit. its designed to defeat max dampened scouts as their counter.
Gallente and Amarr eWar scouts are the only ones that can defeat the Dovulle Focused. Why? Because proper eWar.
youre right. when it was first introduced it was a counter, but its long since changed. |
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Posted - 2014.12.15 17:32:00 -
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Aidualc wrote:DeathwindRising wrote:Aidualc wrote:logi Gal 0.k is now op? lol.... ha ha ha... nice joke...
a scout with 2-3 damps can kill you behind...
OP is shooting with a shotgun cloaked... and was nerfed you dont need to use proto gal logi if youre lvl 5. you can use standard just fine to save isk. get dropped off on a tower where scouts cant get you and youre fine. Standar logi can fit 3 duvolle focused ?, the RA and CPU is enough ? :O
yea, and you can use fitting mods to help if needed |
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