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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.12.28 07:34:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:JUDASisMYhomeboy wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:It's the argument that shield tank QQers have been making all of this time. Maybe Piercing put it in a way that's more appealing but he's saying the same thing that everyone else is saying. Plus, I don't understand how a 1v1 faceoff would be undetermined but a team of armor tankers would beat a team of shield tankers. ?? Because this isn't a CoDkiddy death match game where people run around 1v1ing. Matches aren't determined by what team has the best 1v1ers on it. It only helps. In the end, the team that is working together better will usually win. And Armor has better team synergy. It has reppers that allow the team to work together better. It has Nanohoves that allow teams to dig into a location and defend. Armor Teamplay>Shield Teamplay Armor 1v1 = Shield 1v1 ... ... So, instead of trying to constantly nerf armor, or buff shields with over 9000 threads a day, Ask for a Shield Repairer. Ask for the means to obtain better performance and team synergy, rather than asking to have it handed to you. In other words, shield or armor doesn't matter if you have multiple people shooting at you but if you can haul ass out of there you'll live Speed>armor Again......Cal assault and Gal assault have the same speed. If multiple people are shooting at you, speed won't matter either. And he doesn't know what he's saying...he's just typing to type. Armor 1v1 will smoke Shield 1v1, theoretically. There is little to no benefit in a shield tank over an armor tank.
But you don't have superior mobility if you armour tank. And if you opt for ferroscales you don't have superior repairing power or greatly superior eHP values.
*"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.12.28 07:45:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:True Adamance wrote:
But you don't have superior mobility if you armour tank. And if you opt for ferroscales you don't have superior repairing power or greatly superior eHP values.
Ferroscale plus triage nanohive......on par mobility, more hp, and superior regen/repair
You are making the assumption I am using a triage nanohive. Not everyone does this. I do not like to be pinned to one position and reliant on a single piece of equipment.
Furthermore if we are to make biased assumption to prove our points what if I ran out of triage nano hives? What If my opponent was an armour tanked caldari suit in addition to the shields, what if he was standing on a triage nanohive and also have 5 logi's supporting him?
*"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.12.28 07:51:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:True Adamance wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:True Adamance wrote:
But you don't have superior mobility if you armour tank. And if you opt for ferroscales you don't have superior repairing power or greatly superior eHP values.
Ferroscale plus triage nanohive......on par mobility, more hp, and superior regen/repair You are making the assumption I am using a triage nanohive. Not everyone does this. I do not like to be pinned to one position and reliant on a single piece of equipment. Furthermore if we are to make biased assumption to prove our points what if I ran out of triage nano hives? What If my opponent was an armour tanked caldari suit in addition to the shields, what if he was standing on a triage nanohive and also have 5 logi's supporting him? You only have one piece of equipment and your role is assault.....why wouldn't you use triage nano if you had all ferroscale plates? All of these are under assumptions of the more effective fits. People assume shield regen is better because they assume that people are using energizers and rechargers. but what if they are using all shields and the armor tanker has 25-30hp/sec reps? And you are sort of going a bit extreme with your scenarios.
I use an active scanner.
Couple this with my 8m/s movement speed and Scrambler Rifle/BrSMG combo I kite around the edges of the conflict zones picking off the stragglers, locating spawn points, and providing scans and flanks for my squad.
It's the Imperial Navy Slicer of ground troops.
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Posted - 2014.12.28 08:42:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:
Right...when I die because a guy runs faster than me, you'll be the first to know.
You probably already did multiple times, but didn't even take note. Scout superiority doesn't come just from EWAR ya know. lol now, you're talking about scouts...possibly cloaked...with OHK weapons like the nova knife or shotguns. I'd like to see an assault suit sprint at me while I'm shooting at him.
Dude what part of "the ability to rapidly redeploy oneself or escape harm" do you not understand?
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Posted - 2014.12.28 09:00:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:True Adamance wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:
Right...when I die because a guy runs faster than me, you'll be the first to know.
You probably already did multiple times, but didn't even take note. Scout superiority doesn't come just from EWAR ya know. lol now, you're talking about scouts...possibly cloaked...with OHK weapons like the nova knife or shotguns. I'd like to see an assault suit sprint at me while I'm shooting at him. Dude what part of "the ability to rapidly redeploy oneself or escape harm" do you not understand? I said that it's good for survivability....you have to scroll up to catch that. But wouldn't help in a straight up 1v1 gun fight. Unless, maybe we have different definitions for 1v1 gunfights.
Yup mine is from 50m away shooting them in the back. Who the **** actually rushes someone head on that sounds incredibly stupid.
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Posted - 2014.12.28 09:46:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Artificer Ghost wrote:Amarr pretty much revolve around kiting at med-long range with their lazors, wreckin' everything from afar. They're slow, but MAN they're built to destroy. I have an Amarr alt, and he does nothing but murder all day long. The trick to the Amarr anything is that they're extremely potent defenders.
Also, as for the "when I just want to kill stuff" comment: I have a fitting specifically for that purpose. Gallente Assault with ~990 armor, Six Kin A-CR (I had 4 million extra SP after all my weapons, suits, and core skills were out of the way, figured I'll go into every rifle), and a Triage Nanohive. Named it the "Grave Digger" just because it's so efficient at... Well, digging graves. Be careful with all of that armor though..
Really how do you propose to kite moving so slowly?
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Posted - 2014.12.28 22:38:00 -
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Jathniel wrote:lol @ the "kiting amarr suits" comment earlier.
Why Lol at it. Amarr are kiters.
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Posted - 2014.12.29 09:05:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Very much true Aeon.
My Primary Gallente Assault suit has Two Armor Repairs and Three Ferroscale plates because one plate completely neuters my ability to jump over a lot of things in this game (jumping over rails is actually the best way I run away from intense situations).
With this fitting I only have 591 armor (and 194 shields), no where near the 700, 800 mark people like to throw out for the typical Gallente Assault suit mark.
Neither I, Arkena, or Cat Merc run Gallente Assaults with brick tank. We all focus around speed and armor repair, some stats more than others.
My Highs are two Complex Damage modifiers and a complex precision mod, because damn those things are useful for picking up anything other than scouts and some assaults now, and you can see more equipment.
Even I run an Amarrian variation of Catmerc's fit......
*"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
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