^ This. I watched that video ydubbs posted in another thread, talking about the "greatest vets" on both sides. Watched the entire video....guys were good AT BEST, certainly not the greatest ever. OP fits galore, no strategy, no logistics, no teamwork, total **** show. Fiddle, you were running around in a min logi with MD and got pwnt terribly. Vets lost the sp advantage, subsequently plateaued, and left due to their lack of OP in reality (some got burnt out, and other reasons, I understand). Get over it, either you're good now or you never were. We're still here, ready for the challenge....certainly not to say in any way "well, we're the best because no one else is here anymore," honestly I wish those guys were still here so we could test this theory. They were good in their respective times. Simply a judgement call based on what I've seen for 18 months. Kalante, Arirana, Espeon, etc. still running around pulling 5.0's daily - no one can argue those guys don't have talent, STILL. TO. THIS. DAY. Go into a pub blunt, many that you thought were scrubs long ago have caught up to you.

The SP advantage is gone, the go-to OP fit is gone, and the real pros are still posting awesome numbers but the SP-crutch users are all gone.

The whole hardcore community is pretty much leveled at this point. There are some standouts, there are some better teams, but when it boils down to it, it's about experience more than anything.

and tell reget to send me that PS3!!!

Roman...I would be willing to bet the title to my car, that if you put the best of Dust today, against the best of Dust past, that the old vets would smmmaaaassshhh these noobs. There still noobs, they just have more skills to be noobier. lol.

Having a proto suit isn't the equalizer in DUST. One person can have a protosuit that has 350 base eHP versus another that has 450+ base ehp due to dropsuit upgrades. That's always been DUSTs niche, is passive skills that better the vet versus the rookie.

I remember those days. Getting stomped by ERA because I just didn't have enough HP, or I would get blasted by a rail on the catwalks or bombarded by a python (Sir Snugglz is talented tho) or completely wrecked by a gal logi, stacking reps with triage hives and strafing around with a double-damage modded rail rifle or BCR.

I caught up to those guys and now post better or similar numbers. It's because the SP gap closed, the game got balanced and I got more experienced. You believe there wasn't a huge skill gap and all the talented players just left, I believe there was one and more talented players have showed up but have yet to be recognized.

But bahh, who am I kidding, half of you will be on PS4 with me in a year or two anyways <3

dubbs im not saying in that pc one or more of the guys versing each other had more sp than another. I'm saying, THOSE guys in that pc had 6.0+ k/d's on the leaderboards and 50k more kills than 90% of the playerbase. And everyone boasts them as being the elite. You're right, people in that match probably barely had a suit or vehicle, 1 or 2 roles at most, and fought well. My argument is, the guys you see that don't play anymore...the beta vets with insane k/d's w/l's....if they started at the exact time I did (uprising), would not have such numbers. I spent 6 months getting crushed by them, CRUSHED, but I had what? A dragonfly suit and 5 mil sp? Stood no chance.

I believe that, you bring those same teams back right now - give them however much time they need to unrust - and have pc's verse any of the top 10 weekly corps right now. It would shock you to believe the "no-namers" on the newer side that I'd place my bet on. When bf3 came out, the clan I formed absolutely demolished the game for about 3-4 months...I took a break, everyone caught up. We became mortal.

Just look at our corp k/d or w/l. Terrible comparatively to the elite corps of old. I remember our stats being below 1.0 for both, having our entire corp membership post-uprising players. I would bet every isk I have that we could match up to any one corp, not 16 elite ringer teams mind you....the actual corp itself. Hell OH has twice as good stats as us, we went 50/50 with them at their peak. FPS games are half talent, half knowledge of the game mechanics itself (maps/weaponry etc.). In the future, I see an FPS where professional matches are on unique maps no one has ever seen before - talent/teamwork will prevail.

Kreayshawn Coruscanti

I can name a few players that could easily be able to compete vs those players.

1, Xdestruction
2, Cavani1EE7
3, Senator Snipe
4. Jade tech.
5. Derrith.
6. Airiana
7. Yoshi
8. Solar
9. Espeon.
10. Devin Xer
11. Fusion Commander.
12. Viktor.
13. Chet Chews.
14. TTW.
15. Parthok.
16. Kalante still plays so he's on our team