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Cordera Ray
Galactic Warrior Corporation
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Posted - 2014.12.12 23:40:00 -
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CCP, what was the point of the salvage with encrypted strongbox that in order to open to see what u get? Instead u have to get AUR of 800 to get a key to open it!. That a waste. Why not have a key for the public user that don't have AUR but ISK? I mean that like saying two difference keys for AUR and ISK.
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Sinboto Simmons
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
6728
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Posted - 2014.12.12 23:43:00 -
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salvage and missions are two ways to get them.
also ,by february, trading apparently.
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja
Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 1
Born of the Brutor tribe
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Cordera Ray
Galactic Warrior Corporation
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Posted - 2014.12.12 23:50:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:salvage and missions are two ways to get them.
also ,by february, trading apparently.
No $&@$. That not my point, my point is why not have two separate hacked decrypt or keys, one for AUR, one for ISK. I got seven as right and the more I play , the less that these boxes are not going to get open. I don't buy AUR on the game.
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shaman oga
Dead Man's Game
3415
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Posted - 2014.12.12 23:52:00 -
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Keys are just too rare.
Situational awareness also known as passive scan.
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Joseph Ridgeson
warravens
Capital Punishment.
2896
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Posted - 2014.12.12 23:57:00 -
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Strongboxes exist to get AUR. It has some factor of risk so it will get people that like to gamble to buy keys in order to get their items. Plus, there is more psychology going on.
"You don't want to these to be worthless, right? I mean, we gave you all these items and you just aren't using them. Don't you want the stuff we are trying to give you? Well, how about getting some keys?"
It works fairly well. People that want to use the strongboxes will get keys. Those that don't care *waves* won't
"This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
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Cordera Ray
Galactic Warrior Corporation
64
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Posted - 2014.12.12 23:57:00 -
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shaman oga wrote:Keys are just too rare.
How are the rare? Just by playing in game and hope to be lucky to salvage a key. Two game in already and keys should be brought by ISK not AUR. It make it useless. |
Sinboto Simmons
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
6730
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Posted - 2014.12.12 23:59:00 -
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Cordera Ray wrote:Sinboto Simmons wrote:salvage and missions are two ways to get them.
also ,by february, trading apparently. No $&@$. That not my point, my point is why not have two separate hacked decrypt or keys, one for AUR, one for ISK. I got seven as right and the more I play , the less that these boxes are not going to get open. I don't buy AUR on the game.
if you're going to curse then curse, that censor just makes it seem like you're trying too hard.
I was simply saying that there are alternate ways now, and upcoming, to aquire them one of which would be through isk.
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja
Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 1
Born of the Brutor tribe
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Cordera Ray
Galactic Warrior Corporation
64
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Posted - 2014.12.13 00:16:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:Cordera Ray wrote:Sinboto Simmons wrote:salvage and missions are two ways to get them.
also ,by february, trading apparently. No $&@$. That not my point, my point is why not have two separate hacked decrypt or keys, one for AUR, one for ISK. I got seven as right and the more I play , the less that these boxes are not going to get open. I don't buy AUR on the game. if you're going to curse then curse, that censor just makes it seem like you're trying too hard. I was simply saying that there are alternate ways now, and upcoming, to aquire them one of which would be through isk.
I wonder what they didn't think this was going to be problem. How long until the change is to ISK use. I wasn't cussing at what u wrote, I was cussing that do they know that not all user buy AUR and they way it setup. |
fear blood moon
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.12.13 00:19:00 -
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i want them to make it where we can sell boxes for 25k isk or 50k isk if we have the trading lady :)
would make it better. |
Cordera Ray
Galactic Warrior Corporation
64
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Posted - 2014.12.13 00:24:00 -
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fear blood moon wrote:i want them to make it where we can sell boxes for 25k isk or 50k isk if we have the trading lady :)
would make it better.
That depend on how many u have without the key.
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Joseph Ridgeson
warravens
Capital Punishment.
2896
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Posted - 2014.12.13 00:37:00 -
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Cordera Ray wrote:shaman oga wrote:Keys are just too rare. How are the rare? Just by playing in game and hope to be lucky to salvage a key. Two game in already and keys should be brought by ISK not AUR. It make it useless.
The reason you cannot get keys with ISK is because the entire design is "spend money to see what you found." In truth, boxes/crates don't even need to exist in order for the key system to be around.
I just got back from traveling and in the first day of playing I have 33 Strongboxes. So obviously boxes are meant to be abundant. They give so much that they could just let you buy crates that are already opened for the same price. But you can't. The reason why is because boxes are abundant and they are abundant because they are worthless without the key. By giving away so many boxes, CCP is using human psychology. "You don't want those 33 boxes to be worthless, do you? You better get a key." If they would just let you buy unlocked boxes, it would have less of a drive for players to want to buy them. "Ehh, I don't need Officer gear" but "I do need to use these boxes."
I watched a documentary on math and how it works with psychology. In one part, a psychologist was stopping people on the street and offering them a chance to get some money by playing a game. He had a roulette wheel. Call black or red and get some money. But he treated people two different ways. Group A was given 10 dollars and asked if they want to risk their 10 to get 20. Group B was given 20 dollars, then had a 10 taken away, and asked if they want to play to get the 10 back.
Group A generally said "No thanks" and walked away with some lunch money. Group generally said "I would like to play." The reason why is because Group A was given, well, a free lunch while Group B felt they had something taken away and they wanted to get it back. Group B members spoke about "I wanted my money back!" That is similar to how crates/strongboxes work. We cannot buy them with ISK because they exist to earn money for CCP. Like drug dealers, expect to get a free key every now and then to push people into getting more keys.
There is nothing wrong with the system if you understand why it exists. Will I buy some keys? Probably not. Without trading, there is no reason to get anything because more often than not I will get something I cannot use or would not use.
"This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
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TYCHUS MAXWELL
The Fun Police
692
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Posted - 2014.12.13 01:50:00 -
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Joseph Ridgeson wrote:Strongboxes exist to get AUR. It has some factor of risk so it will get people that like to gamble to buy keys in order to get their items. Plus, there is more psychology going on.
"You don't want to these to be worthless, right? I mean, we gave you all these items and you just aren't using them. Don't you want the stuff we are trying to give you? Well, how about getting some keys?"
It works fairly well. People that want to use the strongboxes will get keys. Those that don't care *waves* won't
That's how I feel about the vehicle assist kill missions... once I burn through all my militia tanks I'm just saying **** it and never doing them again. The rewards aren't worth the isk I burn trying to wound players without killing them while everyone chases down my 0 sp ****** tanks. |
Cordera Ray
Galactic Warrior Corporation
64
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Posted - 2014.12.13 17:39:00 -
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Ok I guess that some of you guys are getting off topic here. |
Anthany sandifer The2nd
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Posted - 2014.12.13 18:00:00 -
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Cordera Ray wrote:CCP, what was the point of the salvage with encrypted strongbox that in order to open to see what u get? Instead u have to get AUR of 800 to get a key to open it!. That a waste. Why not have a key for the public user that don't have AUR but ISK? I mean that like saying two difference keys for AUR and ISK.
If keys was to cost lsk..lmfao that would be too op I got like 93 boxes for salvaging them from battle....now I need a load of keys.
Pew pew and support
The life of a logi and scout
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ADAM-OF-EVE
Dead Man's Game
RUST415
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Posted - 2014.12.13 18:05:00 -
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all missions are optional, opening boxes is optional
no one has a gun to your head telling you to buy aurum. i have tons of aurum and i don't open strongboxes. i wait for the free keys
All Hail Legion
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Aikuchi Tomaru
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2628
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Posted - 2014.12.13 20:21:00 -
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ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:all missions are optional, opening boxes is optional
no one has a gun to your head telling you to buy aurum. i have tons of aurum and i don't open strongboxes. i wait for the free keys
It seems though that the loot tables were changed. Less normal loot, for the addition of the strongboxes. I wonder if I can still even get Officer gear without strong boxes.
Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
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Cordera Ray
Galactic Warrior Corporation
64
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Posted - 2014.12.14 18:18:00 -
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Anthany sandifer The2nd wrote:Cordera Ray wrote:CCP, what was the point of the salvage with encrypted strongbox that in order to open to see what u get? Instead u have to get AUR of 800 to get a key to open it!. That a waste. Why not have a key for the public user that don't have AUR but ISK? I mean that like saying two difference keys for AUR and ISK.
If keys was to cost lsk..lmfao that would be too op I got like 93 boxes for salvaging them from battle....now I need a load of keys.
how is that op if the keys should be use for ISK instead but not AUR. That problem, It rip off. |
Bam Critical
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.12.14 18:28:00 -
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Just a suggestion
Aur keys has a 100% of you getting cool crap
Isk keys has a 50% chance of you getting cool crap 400K isk ea key
Step back.Go away.Be ready to be blown away.
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Cordera Ray
Galactic Warrior Corporation
64
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Posted - 2014.12.14 19:02:00 -
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Bam Critical wrote:Just a suggestion
Aur keys has a 100% of you getting cool crap
Isk keys has a 50% chance of you getting cool crap 400K isk ea key
That a good way of doing it. |
deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
1331
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Posted - 2014.12.14 19:26:00 -
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Cordera Ray wrote:Bam Critical wrote:Just a suggestion
Aur keys has a 100% of you getting cool crap
Isk keys has a 50% chance of you getting cool crap 400K isk ea key That a good way of doing it.
And then someone screams pay 2 win.
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Cordera Ray
Galactic Warrior Corporation
64
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Posted - 2014.12.16 18:59:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:Cordera Ray wrote:Bam Critical wrote:Just a suggestion
Aur keys has a 100% of you getting cool crap
Isk keys has a 50% chance of you getting cool crap 400K isk ea key That a good way of doing it. And then someone screams pay 2 win.
How will they start screaming to pay to win? |
DABLACKRAMBO1127
Resheph Interstellar Strategy
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.12.19 01:57:00 -
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So I'll sell some boxes for key, anybody wanna trade  |
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