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Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1296	Posted - 2014.12.12 21:06:00 - [1] - Quote Seriously, why do shield extenders take up almost and in some cases more PG than Armor plates? Seriously, it is easier to fit a shield suit with armor modules than actual shield modules. P.S. they cost a lot more CPU too. Acquire Currency, Disregard Female Canis lupus familiaris
Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1296	Posted - 2014.12.12 21:12:00 - [2] - Quote Robocop Junior wrote: Wild guess, you can rep at 50hp/sec? With two recharges. 2/4 high slots. Acquire Currency, Disregard Female Canis lupus familiaris
Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1296	Posted - 2014.12.12 21:17:00 - [3] - Quote Robocop Junior wrote: If you had enough CPU/PG what would your ideal fit look like? Shield extenders + chargers+regulators + *KIn cats*GåÉmostly this. Acquire Currency, Disregard Female Canis lupus familiaris
Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1296	Posted - 2014.12.12 21:18:00 - [4] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Robocop Junior wrote: Wild guess, you can rep at 50hp/sec? actually that requires three separate modules: Extender Regulator Recharger The Extender itself actually increases the shield recharge delay, add regulators for a counter decrease, then the recharger for increased rep per second. It actually requires 2 recharges (excluding the other modules that take away shields) Acquire Currency, Disregard Female Canis lupus familiaris
Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1300	Posted - 2014.12.12 21:50:00 - [5] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: Robocop Junior wrote: I dunno why I even opened my mouth lol I know jack about shields I thought regulators were low slots :/ What if they combined regulators & rechargers into one skill but just slightly reduced the effectiveness so you have less mods to worry about like armor. Bored so I am gonna dust off my Calogi & see how it goes. regs are low slots indeed. Armor among the races in balanced- Gallante gets repair Amarr- can tank Shield among the races is not balanced- Caldari-Shield tank, and can recharge Minmatar- not shield tanking pros. What needs to happen is we need to give Minmatar better recharge capabilities. I was thinking 35 shield reps per sec base 5/7 delay. Acquire Currency, Disregard Female Canis lupus familiaris
Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1309	Posted - 2014.12.13 03:58:00 - [6] - Quote Cavani1EE7 wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: Robocop Junior wrote: I dunno why I even opened my mouth lol I know jack about shields I thought regulators were low slots :/ What if they combined regulators & rechargers into one skill but just slightly reduced the effectiveness so you have less mods to worry about like armor. Bored so I am gonna dust off my Calogi & see how it goes. regs are low slots indeed. Armor among the races in balanced- Gallante gets repair Amarr- can tank Shield among the races is not balanced- Caldari-Shield tank, and can recharge Minmatar- not shield tanking pros. What needs to happen is we need to give Minmatar better recharge capabilities. I was thinking 35 shield reps per sec base 5/7 delay. The minmatar is not considered a shield tanking suit anymore. In hotfix Charlie CCP made the minmatar so that it could have a good double tank while being almost as fast and strafe as fast as a scout. Their native stats suggest that... Please do me a favor and tell me where CCP said we want Minmatar to dual tank? A good hit and run (Minmatar Play style) requires beastly regen which they don't have compared to Caldari. Caldari is taking baths in double bonuses while Minmatar have nothing going for them other than the fact they have .2 more m/s at base. Big Woop,they also come with 75% hp of the other Assualt. The reason MinAss is good is because the bonus. Acquire Currency, Disregard Female Canis lupus familiaris
Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1309	Posted - 2014.12.13 04:00:00 - [7] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Seriously, why do shield extenders take up almost and in some cases more PG than Armor plates? Seriously, it is easier to fit a shield suit with armor modules than actual shield modules. P.S. they cost a lot more CPU too. When you use Energizers or recharger it actually evens out n.n 0 PG needed for em... recharges- decreases my tank ability by like a straight 25%. If I wanted to I could get 100 shield/s and 1 sec delay but there is no point when you won't last long enough to survive even a bolt pistol. Acquire Currency, Disregard Female Canis lupus familiaris
Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1309	Posted - 2014.12.13 04:04:00 - [8] - Quote Jack 3enimble wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Robocop Junior wrote: Wild guess, you can rep at 50hp/sec? actually that requires three separate modules: Extender Regulator Recharger The Extender itself actually increases the shield recharge delay, add regulators for a counter decrease, then the recharger for increased rep per second. You can rep at 50 HP/s without a regulator or extender. Neither of those affect your regen rate. Shield Tankers are so ignorant. I don't even use Basic Armor Plates because they slow me down. I use Ferroscale plates and those have around the same area of HP give or take a few HP but they don't have fast native recharge so I can't just stack Ferroscales and be happy. I have to use at least two slots for Repair modules. If I had the SP in everything I have now but swap Caldari for Gallente I can have a Caldari Assault ck.0 like this: Highs: x4 Complex Shield Extenders x1 Shield Regulator Lows: x3 Complex Regulators (Only because I'm a purist) but lets be honest, the rest of you would swap up the third regulator for an armor plate, you filth. Weapons: Iskhuk. Assault Rail Rifle Kaala. Magses SMG Wirk. AV grenade (again, purist) ADV Nanite Injector (if you put an armor plate you could get the proto one but I use an ADV on my Gallassault) CPU579.1325 / 526.3125gF PG84.50625 / 80.0625kW Shield343.75[634.15] HP Armor193.75HP eHP537.5[827.9] HP Shield Recharge Rate30[45.53] HP/s Shield Recharge Delay5[1.6] s Shield Dep. Rec. Delay6[2.51] s Armor Repair Rate1.5HP/s Movement Speed5m/s Strafe Speed4.5m/s Sprint Speed7.35m/s Stamina183.75 Stamina Recovery Rate21/s Scan Profile45dB Scan Precision45dB Scan Radius15m There's no way that suit is not impressive. It's easily on par with my Gallente Assault gk.0 as far as stats go. My suit which has 591 armor and 194 shields same speed but more can do more damage because of the damage mods thankfully. And in all honesty, because it's Caldari I wouldn't even put on the Recharger, I'd put on another extender and lower the third regulator to advanced but that's only because I play EVE. The Caldari Assault Suit is soooo good. But sadly I commonly see ck.0 fits with more armor than shields.... filthy plebs. I like you man, no joke and non creepy. Thing I want to know you filthy Gal pleb, is how you fit a regulator in the high slot OK, Caldari hands down have the greatest shields in the world but Minmatar obviously don't. Anyway, that fit isn't that good, say hello to a militia ScR and get burnt to sh*t in seconds. If I tried to do that with a MinAss, I would end up with like 650 eHP, about the same delay and 37.5 recharge rate. My Cal scout would be a better assault than that because it also has 600+ eHP. Acquire Currency, Disregard Female Canis lupus familiaris
Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1311	Posted - 2014.12.13 04:35:00 - [9] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Lloyd Orfay wrote: The majority of suits that rely on shielding have the poorest possible shield regen, delays, etc LLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL 10/10 troll Dude, armor tankers have all their high slots free, they can put damage mods, more shields, precision mods ect. What do shield tankers have in lows- Regulators (That is literally the only thing that makes them even viable). Literally 6/8 sec delays on MinAss and 5/7 on Cal assault are big ass delays. If it wasn't for all of us stacking at least two shield regulators, shields wouldn't be viable. 90% of shield suits run Armour, why- because shield don't give enough HP, shield sometimes cost too much CPU/PG to fit. If you shield tank you have to do it good as in make the whole fit shield tank. We don't just get 40+ shield regen per sec with a 2 sec delay without sacrifices. Anyway, shield's are almost utterly useless when you face one of the most highest DPSing weapon in the game (ScR). Even Caldari heavies with 800 shields get melted in 2 seconds. Acquire Currency, Disregard Female Canis lupus familiaris

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