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TRULY ELITE wrote:

Valor Goat wrote:

KenKaniff69 wrote:

uhm, how about no?

If you think the ScR is that big of an issue, then stack armor like all shield based suits do in this game.

Every minmatar and caldari suit I see brick tanks anywhere from 200-500 extra armor.

Killing them w/ a scrambler is incredibly difficult.

You CR's and Min Assaults are the ones that need adjusting if anything.

I am a pure Caldari shield tanker. **** armor.
Agreed on that, but Min assaults are double tanked so they actually have a chance to not get two-shot by a ScR (and than their hitbox is broken compared to Cal Assault's)

I don't want to kill the ScR, I just want my Cal Assault being viable againts them. I don't want them to kill me way faster than I kill them with my ARR.

Viable = not get oblitared in a matter of a second.

EDIT: Also, people who double tank the CalAssault are pussies.

Thought about running away? You can't be good at everything. It's like saying a scout should be able to stand toe to toe with a heavy. See an amarr assault whilst in a caldari suit you have 3 options.
1. Run away
2. Flank him
3. Get up close and strafe like your getting bitten by 10,000 wasps. Whilst shooting of course

If he doesn't see you locus grenades work wonders on amarr assaults.

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Valor Goat 94	Posted - 2014.12.12 01:19:00 - [1] - Quote (not cumulative, my shields would like to have even just one of these) Damage profile from +20% \| -20% to +15% \| -15% Charge up time from 2 s to 3-4s and/or Significative lowering to charge up damage RoF from 600 to 500 as the ScR is far too accurate in both hipfire and aiming to have such a high RoF Move an armor module so that they have a good reason to not triple damage mod their ScR (counts for Gal assaults and their breach AR too) I think these would be reasonable nerfs to the ScR, otherwise of a pointless clip size reduction from 45 to 40 Discuss 1EE7
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 4766	Posted - 2014.12.12 01:38:00 - [2] - Quote How about we leave it alone o_o (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
Atiim Titans of Phoenix 14319	Posted - 2014.12.12 01:39:00 - [3] - Quote How about giving it dispersion so that it becomes a Mid-Long Range weapon like its supposed to be? The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Valor Goat 96	Posted - 2014.12.12 02:59:00 - [4] - Quote Atiim wrote: How about giving it dispersion so that it becomes a Mid-Long Range weapon like its supposed to be? That would be an idea too, the ScR is very balanced in mid-long range fights so reducing its CQC capabilities by giving it a good amount of dispersion would be the way to kind of balance it. EDIT: But Imo to reduce its CQC effectiveness lowering RoF is the best way 1EE7
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15782	Posted - 2014.12.12 03:04:00 - [5] - Quote Valor Goat wrote: Atiim wrote: How about giving it dispersion so that it becomes a Mid-Long Range weapon like its supposed to be? That would be an idea too, the ScR is very balanced in mid-long range fights so reducing its CQC capabilities by giving it a good amount of dispersion would be the way to kind of balance it. EDIT: But Imo to reduce its CQC effectiveness lowering RoF is the best way Isn't it currently the slowest RoF rifle beside the Tac AR? As an unashamed defender of the weapon not being a piece or arse lets not go over board. RoF is fine and competitive, but yeah at short range it may need some more dispersion. However on the other hand there is no reason to nerf the ScR when the AScR is a piece or Arse. I need a CQB Amarrian option that is competive. *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
KenKaniff69 Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2549	Posted - 2014.12.12 03:49:00 - [6] - Quote uhm, how about no? If you think the ScR is that big of an issue, then stack armor like all shield based suits do in this game. Every minmatar and caldari suit I see brick tanks anywhere from 200-500 extra armor. Killing them w/ a scrambler is incredibly difficult. You CR's and Min Assaults are the ones that need adjusting if anything. Winmatar? 4 systems left
Forever ETC Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 888	Posted - 2014.12.12 04:27:00 - [7] - Quote Maybe on the new damage profile, I find I can wipe out shields easy, but armor takes forever. I want to see the ScR to be guided to the long range combat than how it is currently treated right now. For this to happen we need to increase hipfire spread, and improve its scope's zoom(like of the officer ScR) . Finally don't change RoF(modded controllers are not overused anymore) and leave the charge time as is. Charging that thing costs us 2 second of being vulnerable and if we miss, we're screwed. No one does it better than PIE Lasers4life "Gravity released me. Don't ever hold me down."
Valor Goat 98	Posted - 2014.12.12 04:45:00 - [8] - Quote KenKaniff69 wrote: uhm, how about no? If you think the ScR is that big of an issue, then stack armor like all shield based suits do in this game. Every minmatar and caldari suit I see brick tanks anywhere from 200-500 extra armor. Killing them w/ a scrambler is incredibly difficult. You CR's and Min Assaults are the ones that need adjusting if anything. I am a pure Caldari shield tanker. **** armor. Agreed on that, but Min assaults are double tanked so they actually have a chance to not get two-shot by a ScR (and than their hitbox is broken compared to Cal Assault's) I don't want to kill the ScR, I just want my Cal Assault being viable againts them. I don't want them to kill me way faster than I kill them with my ARR. Viable = not get oblitared in a matter of a second. 1EE7
Valor Goat 98	Posted - 2014.12.12 04:47:00 - [9] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Valor Goat wrote: Atiim wrote: How about giving it dispersion so that it becomes a Mid-Long Range weapon like its supposed to be? That would be an idea too, the ScR is very balanced in mid-long range fights so reducing its CQC capabilities by giving it a good amount of dispersion would be the way to kind of balance it. EDIT: But Imo to reduce its CQC effectiveness lowering RoF is the best way Isn't it currently the slowest RoF rifle beside the Tac AR? As an unashamed defender of the weapon not being a piece or arse lets not go over board. RoF is fine and competitive, but yeah at short range it may need some more dispersion. However on the other hand there is no reason to nerf the ScR when the AScR is a piece or Arse. I need a CQB Amarrian option that is competive. That is not being competitive. That is being OP. I'm not saying "let's wreck ScR's effectiveness in CQC", I want them to be balanced. 1EE7
Valor Goat 98	Posted - 2014.12.12 04:59:00 - [10] - Quote Forever ETC wrote: Maybe on the new damage profile, I find I can wipe out shields easy, but armor takes forever. I want to see the ScR to be guided to the long range combat than how it is currently treated right now. For this to happen we need to increase hipfire spread, and improve its scope's zoom(like of the officer ScR) . Finally don't change RoF(modded controllers are not overused anymore) and leave the charge time as is. Charging that thing costs us 2 second of being vulnerable and if we miss, we're screwed. That plus increasing dispersion would be the way to go. RoF is quite too much for an extremely high DPS weapon that has a charge up capability. The 17% RoF reduction I proposed may be a little too much so we could use a 10% (540 RoF) - this in the case that^ doesn't get applied, as both are meant to reduce its effectiveness in CQC. The damage profile definitely needs to be at 15%, that would help us shield tankers as much as you ScR users. Lastly, you ain't gonna ever miss the charge shot with that accuracy and hipfire, and if you do, ARR TTK on you is much higher than your time to cool down the heat you made. 1EE7

tander09 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 195	Posted - 2014.12.12 05:14:00 - [11] - Quote OP is an idiot. "The feud shall not be forgotten. But those who forget, never witnessed the true horror." -Nexle Skimfuse
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15792	Posted - 2014.12.12 05:18:00 - [12] - Quote Valor Goat wrote: True Adamance wrote: Valor Goat wrote: Atiim wrote: How about giving it dispersion so that it becomes a Mid-Long Range weapon like its supposed to be? That would be an idea too, the ScR is very balanced in mid-long range fights so reducing its CQC capabilities by giving it a good amount of dispersion would be the way to kind of balance it. EDIT: But Imo to reduce its CQC effectiveness lowering RoF is the best way Isn't it currently the slowest RoF rifle beside the Tac AR? As an unashamed defender of the weapon not being a piece or arse lets not go over board. RoF is fine and competitive, but yeah at short range it may need some more dispersion. However on the other hand there is no reason to nerf the ScR when the AScR is a piece or Arse. I need a CQB Amarrian option that is competive. That is not being competitive. That is being OP. I'm not saying "let's wreck ScR's effectiveness in CQC", I want them to be balanced. And as per what I said if the ScR is to be adjusted then I want my Assault Scrambler Rifle to be a competitive short range option. *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
Valor Goat 98	Posted - 2014.12.12 05:20:00 - [13] - Quote tander09 wrote: OP is an idiot. Yup, and this post is very constructive. 1EE7
Valor Goat 98	Posted - 2014.12.12 05:23:00 - [14] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Valor Goat wrote: True Adamance wrote: Valor Goat wrote: Atiim wrote: How about giving it dispersion so that it becomes a Mid-Long Range weapon like its supposed to be? That would be an idea too, the ScR is very balanced in mid-long range fights so reducing its CQC capabilities by giving it a good amount of dispersion would be the way to kind of balance it. EDIT: But Imo to reduce its CQC effectiveness lowering RoF is the best way Isn't it currently the slowest RoF rifle beside the Tac AR? As an unashamed defender of the weapon not being a piece or arse lets not go over board. RoF is fine and competitive, but yeah at short range it may need some more dispersion. However on the other hand there is no reason to nerf the ScR when the AScR is a piece or Arse. I need a CQB Amarrian option that is competive. That is not being competitive. That is being OP. I'm not saying "let's wreck ScR's effectiveness in CQC", I want them to be balanced. And as per what I said if the ScR is to be adjusted then I want my Assault Scrambler Rifle to be a competitive short range option. Let's first change what's OP to balanced before buffing what's UP (Idk if it is though and I've never even tried it). 1EE7
Her Chosen Grade No.2 129	Posted - 2014.12.12 05:46:00 - [15] - Quote This game is about counters and balance. Caldari wanting and SCR nerf is invalid. Gallente would love a CR nerf too, I'm sure. The weapon is fine. The assault variant is non-lethal. The tactical is balanced with the TacCR. Perhaps buff the TacAR for more rock, paper, scissors balancing. The only way the SCR is effective is modded controller, which a lot of players have.
xXCleopatra FlippantXx F0RSAKEN EMPIRE. Smart Deploy 74	Posted - 2014.12.12 06:03:00 - [16] - Quote Nice innitiative, as i get butthurt from scrams in my shield fit, but hold on, Balancing advice will take different forms if you base it on intensive team play or a solo killing "i saw him i'm going after him to get him" approach, so it's hard to balance ethically. I am currently training with a player to run a flank fit with assult rail together with him on an assult scrambler to make up for my lack of shield damage. That said I still feel sorry for my lack of armor as cal assult against a laser weapon. Optimally we would run x2 max dampeners to stay out of scans, as that is priority nr one. But I'll take a laser to the heart any for a EVE universe game prioritized on team play
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 1141	Posted - 2014.12.12 06:53:00 - [17] - Quote KenKaniff69 wrote: If you think the ScR is that big of an issue, then stack armor like all shield based suits do in this game. because the only thing better than stacking plates atop more plates is stacking shields atop plates atop more plates
TRULY ELITE Titans of Phoenix 227	Posted - 2014.12.12 07:07:00 - [18] - Quote Valor Goat wrote: KenKaniff69 wrote: uhm, how about no? If you think the ScR is that big of an issue, then stack armor like all shield based suits do in this game. Every minmatar and caldari suit I see brick tanks anywhere from 200-500 extra armor. Killing them w/ a scrambler is incredibly difficult. You CR's and Min Assaults are the ones that need adjusting if anything. I am a pure Caldari shield tanker. **** armor. Agreed on that, but Min assaults are double tanked so they actually have a chance to not get two-shot by a ScR (and than their hitbox is broken compared to Cal Assault's) I don't want to kill the ScR, I just want my Cal Assault being viable againts them. I don't want them to kill me way faster than I kill them with my ARR. Viable = not get oblitared in a matter of a second. EDIT: Also, people who double tank the CalAssault are pussies. Thought about running away? You can't be good at everything. It's like saying a scout should be able to stand toe to toe with a heavy. See an amarr assault whilst in a caldari suit you have 3 options. 1. Run away 2. Flank him 3. Get up close and strafe like your getting bitten by 10,000 wasps. Whilst shooting of course If he doesn't see you locus grenades work wonders on amarr assaults. Born Amarr, Pure Minmatar. Commando, Logistics, Sentinel, Scout mk.o
Valor Goat 102	Posted - 2014.12.12 07:25:00 - [19] - Quote TRULY ELITE wrote: Valor Goat wrote: KenKaniff69 wrote: uhm, how about no? If you think the ScR is that big of an issue, then stack armor like all shield based suits do in this game. Every minmatar and caldari suit I see brick tanks anywhere from 200-500 extra armor. Killing them w/ a scrambler is incredibly difficult. You CR's and Min Assaults are the ones that need adjusting if anything. I am a pure Caldari shield tanker. **** armor. Agreed on that, but Min assaults are double tanked so they actually have a chance to not get two-shot by a ScR (and than their hitbox is broken compared to Cal Assault's) I don't want to kill the ScR, I just want my Cal Assault being viable againts them. I don't want them to kill me way faster than I kill them with my ARR. Viable = not get oblitared in a matter of a second. EDIT: Also, people who double tank the CalAssault are pussies. Thought about running away? You can't be good at everything. It's like saying a scout should be able to stand toe to toe with a heavy. See an amarr assault whilst in a caldari suit you have 3 options. 1. Run away 2. Flank him 3. Get up close and strafe like your getting bitten by 10,000 wasps. Whilst shooting of course If he doesn't see you locus grenades work wonders on amarr assaults. Where is it written that Amarr assaults have to be that superior to the Caldari assaults as you're implying? I anyway have no problems in wrecking Amarr assaults in 1 on 1 with some maneuvers like those you suggested; indeed though, that's not balanced since whereas you have to do the best to kill an ak.0 and you will not be able to look him in the face for more than two seconds, all they have to do to shred a ck.0 is firing for two seconds and watch as the fair shield tanker falls to their ScR. 1EE7
Darth-Carbonite GIO Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 1324	Posted - 2014.12.12 07:53:00 - [20] - Quote Valor Goat wrote: KenKaniff69 wrote: uhm, how about no? If you think the ScR is that big of an issue, then stack armor like all shield based suits do in this game. Every minmatar and caldari suit I see brick tanks anywhere from 200-500 extra armor. Killing them w/ a scrambler is incredibly difficult. You CR's and Min Assaults are the ones that need adjusting if anything. I am a pure Caldari shield tanker. **** armor. Agreed on that, but Min assaults are double tanked so they actually have a chance to not get two-shot by a ScR (and than their hitbox is broken compared to Cal Assault's) I don't want to kill the ScR, I just want my Cal Assault being viable againts them. I don't want them to kill me way faster than I kill them with my ARR. Viable = not get oblitared in a matter of a second. EDIT: Also, people who double tank the CalAssault are pussies. You want to buff your chosen role by nerfing ours? This is why we can't have nice things. GIMMIE MY PINK LAZOR

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15802	Posted - 2014.12.12 07:56:00 - [21] - Quote Valor Goat wrote: Where is it written that Amarr assaults have to be that superior to the Caldari assaults as you're implying? It's written in the Scriptures. The Amarr are simply better than you. *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
Spectral Clone Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3352	Posted - 2014.12.12 08:46:00 - [22] - Quote Nothing to see here.. pass along peasants. EVE: Legion, also known as: Schroedinger's Game, EVE: Limbo, or just "Not-a-game-yet". My PS3: http://imgur.com/a/5O8ok
Valor Goat 102	Posted - 2014.12.12 11:07:00 - [23] - Quote Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote: Valor Goat wrote: KenKaniff69 wrote: uhm, how about no? If you think the ScR is that big of an issue, then stack armor like all shield based suits do in this game. Every minmatar and caldari suit I see brick tanks anywhere from 200-500 extra armor. Killing them w/ a scrambler is incredibly difficult. You CR's and Min Assaults are the ones that need adjusting if anything. I am a pure Caldari shield tanker. **** armor. Agreed on that, but Min assaults are double tanked so they actually have a chance to not get two-shot by a ScR (and than their hitbox is broken compared to Cal Assault's) I don't want to kill the ScR, I just want my Cal Assault being viable againts them. I don't want them to kill me way faster than I kill them with my ARR. Viable = not get oblitared in a matter of a second. EDIT: Also, people who double tank the CalAssault are pussies. You want to buff your chosen role by nerfing ours? This is why we can't have nice things. Can u brain today? Is making Caldari assaults less weak againts Amarr assaults actually buffing it? I'm fine to how the Cal Assault is and I can counter literally everything on it. Wouldn't you too enjoy having fair 1v 1s againts Caldari assaults without obliterating them in 2 seconds with no skill required at all? 1EE7
Valor Goat 102	Posted - 2014.12.12 11:09:00 - [24] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Valor Goat wrote: Where is it written that Amarr assaults have to be that superior to the Caldari assaults as you're implying? It's written in the Scriptures. The Amarr are simply better than you. I could've swear that someone was gonna write something like this lol 1EE7
Jack 3enimble Titans of Phoenix 584	Posted - 2014.12.12 11:14:00 - [25] - Quote Valor Goat wrote: KenKaniff69 wrote: uhm, how about no? If you think the ScR is that big of an issue, then stack armor like all shield based suits do in this game. Every minmatar and caldari suit I see brick tanks anywhere from 200-500 extra armor. Killing them w/ a scrambler is incredibly difficult. You CR's and Min Assaults are the ones that need adjusting if anything. I am a pure Caldari shield tanker. **** armor. Agreed on that, but Min assaults are double tanked so they actually have a chance to not get two-shot by a ScR (and than their hitbox is broken compared to Cal Assault's) I don't want to kill the ScR, I just want my Cal Assault being viable againts them. I don't want them to kill me way faster than I kill them with my ARR. Viable = not get oblitared in a matter of a second. EDIT: Also, people who double tank the CalAssault are pussies. Cal assault is hella viable. Scrambler is not the problem brother, it's that breach AR. Scrambler takes skill to uses it's select fire. The BAR spray and pray is garbage Dealing justice with a swift punch in the balls, now in battles near you! Lord of the Links
Valor Goat 102	Posted - 2014.12.12 11:59:00 - [26] - Quote Jack 3enimble wrote: Valor Goat wrote: KenKaniff69 wrote: uhm, how about no? If you think the ScR is that big of an issue, then stack armor like all shield based suits do in this game. Every minmatar and caldari suit I see brick tanks anywhere from 200-500 extra armor. Killing them w/ a scrambler is incredibly difficult. You CR's and Min Assaults are the ones that need adjusting if anything. I am a pure Caldari shield tanker. **** armor. Agreed on that, but Min assaults are double tanked so they actually have a chance to not get two-shot by a ScR (and than their hitbox is broken compared to Cal Assault's) I don't want to kill the ScR, I just want my Cal Assault being viable againts them. I don't want them to kill me way faster than I kill them with my ARR. Viable = not get oblitared in a matter of a second. EDIT: Also, people who double tank the CalAssault are pussies. Cal assault is hella viable. Scrambler is not the problem brother, it's that breach AR. Scrambler takes skill to uses it's select fire. The BAR spray and pray is garbage First off I said it isn't viable againts ScR Amarr assaults, not that it isn't viable itself. Second the Breach is of course a problem too, but it's nowhere comparable to the ScR problem. You can actually have some fair 1v1 and have chances to win againts a Gk.0 Assault with a damage modded BAR, in your Caldari assault. I agree, the ScR of course takes skill to use, but that's in range, not in CQC, where their efficency is better. In CQC they somehow never seem to be missing me, no matter if I put strafe at MAX level or not, or if they are the worst ak.0 assault in DUST history. 1EE7
Dust User KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1229	Posted - 2014.12.12 12:09:00 - [27] - Quote tander09 wrote: OP is an idiot. This guy wins. Lock thread please Mr. Lockingbro.
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1661	Posted - 2014.12.12 14:26:00 - [28] - Quote this scrub plays shield tanked suits and simply wants his counter being nerfed this his caldari assault with 800 hp, 50hp/s recharge with only 2 second delay and 8,3m/s sprint speed turns into easy mode. in short, OP has zero credibility...
Valor Goat 103	Posted - 2014.12.12 14:36:00 - [29] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: this scrub plays shield tanked suits and simply wants his counter being nerfed this his caldari assault with 800 hp, 50hp/s recharge with only 2 second delay and 8,3m/s sprint speed turns into easy mode. in short, OP has zero credibility... Yup, Cal assaults are such eZ mode compared to Amarr and Minmatar assaults. Cal assaults' should be Amarr assaults' counters as much as Amarr assaults are Amarr assaults' counters, that's the only thing I want. 1EE7
Atiim Titans of Phoenix 14358	Posted - 2014.12.12 14:44:00 - [30] - Quote Her Chosen wrote: The only way the SCR is effective is modded controller. Lol scrub. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND



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