Ew God no. Have you even worked out those EHP values?

20% more armour and 20% armour resistances per level? On a 5885 Hull?

Before modules are even included I estimate it at 10174 eHP

This before any armour plates, armour resistance modules, or repair modules have even been added is utterly broken beyond all belief and would require and entire team of players to actually remove from the field.


Worst case scenario for the Sagaris I can work out is a fit that may or may not be able to achieve 17,000 eHP...... and retains its 168 per second shield regen speed.

Ew God no. Have you even worked out those EHP values?

20% more armour and 20% armour resistances per level? On a 5885 Hull?

Before modules are even included I estimate it at 10174 eHP

This before any armour plates, armour resistance modules, or repair modules have even been added is utterly broken beyond all belief and would require and entire team of players to actually remove from the field.


Worst case scenario for the Sagaris I can work out is a fit that may or may not be able to achieve 17,000 eHP...... and retains its 168 per second shield regen speed.

Not trying to be antagonistic but that still achieves roughly 8-9 K eHP before any modules are fitted....with 5 slots for fitting and no obvious downsides.

Which arguably is a little too much for a standard tank.

Most of my suggestions cap at maximum static eHP (aka passive tanks) possible around 10-11K for Marauders. Between 8-8.5 on Standard HAV, and lesser values on Militia tanks.

Rep tanks will of course have significantly less by will be able to crisis manage their HP values more effectively.

Think of it like this. A passive tank is a brick you throw through the window of a gang hide out. It pisses them off and takes them a while to realise how to get rid of it.

A rep tank is like that perfect mince pie you heat up in the micro wave. If you don't pay attention you'll over cook that sucker and the meat will he hard and chewy, too little and its cold and disgusting, but if you keep an eye on that micro wave that pie is going to taste sooooooooo good.

Id like to inhibit their turret effectiveness somehow, particularly to avoid redline Marauders being uncrackable and sniping from afar. Marauders should really be tanky, large utility platforms with some Anti personnel ability but noticeably lacking in the effectiveness with large turrets to set them apart from Enforcers and standard HAVs. Think like how a Logi lacks a sidearm...though I dont want to hack off the large turret entirely nor do I particularly like negative damage bonuses....it's a pain in the ass.

But it also gains no benefits to the HMG.

I'd like to see basic vehicles feel like they have some generalist use over specialty vehicles, rather than specialty vehicles being better in every way.

Ever since Catmerc introduced me to competitive CS:GO gameplay I always think about fights in terms of the economy.

How much does this cost me, How much will winning cost him, what are the chances of winning, etc.

I think it will be very interesting to see how people play "Eco-Tanks" Low cost HAV designed to be used to take our superior cost fits. Kind of like my Particle Cannon Sica or 3 man 4.5K DPS Missile tanks.

As usual yup..... that Shield HAV is almost twice the eHP of my current one not only has a standard 20% resistance vs Explosive AV and 10% vs Kinetic..... but also further 20% against both, and another 40% when using my Hardeners.

Now that 17,000 eHP fit in only with one hardener...... I've haven't even worked out how invincible multiple hardeners would be,

This by no means is balanced. Since there is no means to detonate our ammunition stores, kill us inside the vehicles through over penetration, or eWar us into submissions his orginal suggestion would have been akin to throwing a meteor at the battlefield.

Hell our current HAV turrets theoretically will struggle vs 10k eHP tanks let alone 17 or 20 K eHP tanks.

I haven't had time to read all the threads about vehicles or the (metric ****tons of information & opinions presented) but I do have some thoughts overall on vehicles.

LAV's -> These are used far more often than not as taxi's to get from point a to point b. I'd really like to see them used more in an infantry support role, with 'standard' or 'attack' variant LAV's being the type of thing that if someone gets on its turret will *shred* any opposing infantry. The Logi LAV I'd like to see have a wide-area triage nanohive type effect (that's limited in duration) or it can focus the nanite stream to repair armor / shields (depending on vehicle type), this allows it to be played in a much bigger 'support' role, either aiding mass infantry pushes or being able to support other vehicles - it should forgo a turret in order to gain these repair functions.

HAV's -> With LAV's being redesigned to terrorize infantry, a HAV should be the thing that terrorizes LAV's (though a HAV with small turrets on it should certainly be quite scary to infantry as well), I don't have any real proposed changes here.

Marauders -> There's been a lot of proposed bonuses tossed around, but I think a simple bonus of 2% increased resistance value to shield/armor hardeners would be a great place to start. It doesn't really mess around with window of opportunity time, it just makes it so that when you activate your hardeners your 'finest moment' is even more gloriously resistant. I'm really worried about having 15% less speed on them, because I know from experience that when playing older builds it was entirely possible to just get chased around the map by AV teams in LAV's, I would opt for significantly reduced RANGE on marauders (-15% to turret ranges) and maybe slower acceleration, but overall the same top speed, In exchange for the slower acceleration they should have much more torque and ability to turn (so -10% acceleration +10% torque).

That's and entirely different issue and yes they can.

5 Boundless RE deal 10554 Explosive damage. Considering a Hardened Gunnlogi negates 40% of the damage and resists naturally 20% it could theoretically survive assuming that the LAV impact and explosive damage does not deplete too much shielding.

Isn't that kinda what the Militia HAVs do already though? Where should STD tanks fit in?

surya stats

1600 shield
4800 armour

685 cpu
2850 pwr grid.

3 highs
4 lows
lrg turret slot
2 smll turret slots

10% slower than madrugar
5% more torque than madrugar (increased acceleration and climbing power to compensate for reduced speed but still being slower overall compared to maddy.)

skill bonus: 3% bonus to armour hardner effectiveness and cooldown rate per level. 2% bonus to armour repair effectiveness per level

sagaris stats.

3450 shield
1650 armour

850 cpu
2450 pwr grid

4highs
3lows
lrge turret slot
2 smll turret slots

5% slower than gunnlogi (this thing is horribly slow)
5% more torque (gunnlogis cant climb hills)
3% reduced turning rate (blaster prof 5 on a gunnlogi while turning the chassis is ridiculos)

skill bonus: 3% increased shield hardner effectiveness and cooldown rate. 2% bonus to shield booster effectiveness and cooldown rate per level. (even with max skills. basic shield booster cools down at the same rate as a complex shield hardner)

market price 250 to 300k (preferably option 2 to prevent spam)

other tank stats should be kept the same as base hulls as to reduce the gap between hulls strengths and effectiveness so that STD tanks are capable of fighting against these armoured and shielded beasts.