Ever since Catmerc introduced me to competitive CS:GO gameplay I always think about fights in terms of the economy.

How much does this cost me, How much will winning cost him, what are the chances of winning, etc.

I think it will be very interesting to see how people play "Eco-Tanks" Low cost HAV designed to be used to take our superior cost fits. Kind of like my Particle Cannon Sica or 3 man 4.5K DPS Missile tanks.

As usual yup..... that Shield HAV is almost twice the eHP of my current one not only has a standard 20% resistance vs Explosive AV and 10% vs Kinetic..... but also further 20% against both, and another 40% when using my Hardeners.

Now that 17,000 eHP fit in only with one hardener...... I've haven't even worked out how invincible multiple hardeners would be,

This by no means is balanced. Since there is no means to detonate our ammunition stores, kill us inside the vehicles through over penetration, or eWar us into submissions his orginal suggestion would have been akin to throwing a meteor at the battlefield.

Hell our current HAV turrets theoretically will struggle vs 10k eHP tanks let alone 17 or 20 K eHP tanks.

I haven't had time to read all the threads about vehicles or the (metric ****tons of information & opinions presented) but I do have some thoughts overall on vehicles.

LAV's -> These are used far more often than not as taxi's to get from point a to point b. I'd really like to see them used more in an infantry support role, with 'standard' or 'attack' variant LAV's being the type of thing that if someone gets on its turret will *shred* any opposing infantry. The Logi LAV I'd like to see have a wide-area triage nanohive type effect (that's limited in duration) or it can focus the nanite stream to repair armor / shields (depending on vehicle type), this allows it to be played in a much bigger 'support' role, either aiding mass infantry pushes or being able to support other vehicles - it should forgo a turret in order to gain these repair functions.

HAV's -> With LAV's being redesigned to terrorize infantry, a HAV should be the thing that terrorizes LAV's (though a HAV with small turrets on it should certainly be quite scary to infantry as well), I don't have any real proposed changes here.

Marauders -> There's been a lot of proposed bonuses tossed around, but I think a simple bonus of 2% increased resistance value to shield/armor hardeners would be a great place to start. It doesn't really mess around with window of opportunity time, it just makes it so that when you activate your hardeners your 'finest moment' is even more gloriously resistant. I'm really worried about having 15% less speed on them, because I know from experience that when playing older builds it was entirely possible to just get chased around the map by AV teams in LAV's, I would opt for significantly reduced RANGE on marauders (-15% to turret ranges) and maybe slower acceleration, but overall the same top speed, In exchange for the slower acceleration they should have much more torque and ability to turn (so -10% acceleration +10% torque).

That's and entirely different issue and yes they can.

5 Boundless RE deal 10554 Explosive damage. Considering a Hardened Gunnlogi negates 40% of the damage and resists naturally 20% it could theoretically survive assuming that the LAV impact and explosive damage does not deplete too much shielding.