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Aikuchi Tomaru
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
2610
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Posted - 2014.12.10 01:01:00 -
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A few months back some dev said that they intend Dust to have "one of the fairest microtransactin system" or something along these lines. The focus was that it won't be P2W in any way... but looking at the recent changes I don't think they can accomplish this goal. I mean what have they added recently?
Militia BPOs
Originally intended to be removed form Dust they're now back and more numerous than ever. It seems like every weapon has a Militia BPO now you can only buy with Aurum. In addition to that there are unique Dropsuit BPOs, namely the Quafe suits. Only obtainable by spending Aurum of course. And well, they are free suits and free weapons. Making sure you don't lose anything when dying. They're only standard stuff though, so maybe that's still fine. But just the sheer amount of BPOs becoming available now makes me worry. Heck: It even takes away from the aspect of being careful what you run. And in the past Militia BPOs were limited. You couldn't run everything when you wanted a free fitting. Now that's changing. As running militia stuff is, expecially for FW, the easiest way to stay ISK postitive it really takes away from being careful about what you're running. Low on ISK? No problem. Just run your free fitting the next few matches. What doesn't make it better are...
APEX suits
Fair thing: You can farm them. That is if you play for Minmatar or Gallente. Try farming these on Amarr or Caldari side when only getting ~200 LP every match because they're ALWAYS losing. (that's another matter though) But hey! You can of course spent 30 bucks on these Protosuit BPOs. I mean of course: They're only fitted with standard equipment. Doesn't change though that these suits are completely free and the easiest way to get them - that is if you don't want to farm for a month - is just buying them.
Market Contract
Our beloved stripper in the Captains Quarters. Spend Aurum to get more money from selling stuff. I guess that speaks for itself, doesn't it?
SP Booster
My favorite really. Increased cap for everybody? Fine. But now you can not only boost that cap with active boosters, no. You can ADDITIONALLY boost your already active boosted match SP further with an instant booster. As SP are one of the most important things in the game this reeks of P2W. I mean of course everybody gets them and I was still fine with normal active boosters. But now the additional instant boost? There's a fine line you have to draw when it comes to saving time without being P2W. And I think that point crossed that line.
Strongboxes
Best way to get Officer gear. A relatively grindy / hard daily (sometimes only doable by buying boosters) gives you one key a day. You can of course buy more keys... for Aurum.
Loyalty Ranks
Damn. Have you tried increasing that thing without spending Aurum? And it gives you more of everything. More SP, more Money, more LP. Spending Aurum seems to be the best way to get a higher rank here. Earning warpoints and winning matches seems to do almost nothing. Especially considering how many matches you win when playing FW for Caldari/Amarr.
In the past most of the stuff you had to pay for you could also get by looting in FW and PC. And it wasn't the best gear either and people had to continously pay to support running suits using Aurum gear. That was still fine. But now by spending Aurum you have the best chance of getting Officer gear. You get passive bonuses by spending lots of Aurum. You get gear which isn't used up when you die. The cover of being able to get everything for free anyways by just playing is slowly vanishing, as that's not the case anymore for a lot of stuff. It really looks like CCP is currently turning Dust into a P2W festival.
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Stevez Wingyip
DUST University Ivy League
27
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Posted - 2014.12.10 01:14:00 -
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Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:A few months back some dev said that they intend Dust to have "one of the fairest microtransactin system" or something along these lines. The focus was that it won't be P2W in any way... but looking at the recent changes I don't think they can accomplish this goal. I mean what have they added recently?
Militia BPOs
Originally intended to be removed form Dust they're now back and more numerous than ever. It seems like every weapon has a Militia BPO now you can only buy with Aurum. In addition to that there are unique Dropsuit BPOs, namely the Quafe suits. Only obtainable by spending Aurum of course. And well, they are free suits and free weapons. Making sure you don't lose anything when dying. They're only standard stuff though, so maybe that's still fine. But just the sheer amount of BPOs becoming available now makes me worry. Heck: It even takes away from the aspect of being careful what you run. And in the past Militia BPOs were limited. You couldn't run everything when you wanted a free fitting. Now that's changing. As running militia stuff is, expecially for FW, the easiest way to stay ISK postitive it really takes away from being careful about what you're running. Low on ISK? No problem. Just run your free fitting the next few matches. What doesn't make it better are...
APEX suits
Fair thing: You can farm them. That is if you play for Minmatar or Gallente. Try farming these on Amarr or Caldari side when only getting ~200 LP every match because they're ALWAYS losing. (that's another matter though) But hey! You can of course spent 30 bucks on these Protosuit BPOs. I mean of course: They're only fitted with standard equipment. Doesn't change though that these suits are completely free and the easiest way to get them - that is if you don't want to farm for a month - is just buying them.
Market Contract
Our beloved stripper in the Captains Quarters. Spend Aurum to get more money from selling stuff. I guess that speaks for itself, doesn't it?
SP Booster
My favorite really. Increased cap for everybody? Fine. But now you can not only boost that cap with active boosters, no. You can ADDITIONALLY boost your already active boosted match SP further with an instant booster. As SP are one of the most important things in the game this reeks of P2W. I mean of course everybody gets them and I was still fine with normal active boosters. But now the additional instant boost? There's a fine line you have to draw when it comes to saving time without being P2W. And I think that point crossed that line.
Strongboxes
Best way to get Officer gear. A relatively grindy / hard daily (sometimes only doable by buying boosters) gives you one key a day. You can of course buy more keys... for Aurum.
Loyalty Ranks
Damn. Have you tried increasing that thing without spending Aurum? And it gives you more of everything. More SP, more Money, more LP. Spending Aurum seems to be the best way to get a higher rank here. Earning warpoints and winning matches seems to do almost nothing. Especially considering how many matches you win when playing FW for Caldari/Amarr.
In the past most of the stuff you had to pay for you could also get by looting in FW and PC. And it wasn't the best gear either and people had to continously pay to support running suits using Aurum gear. That was still fine. But now by spending Aurum you have the best chance of getting Officer gear. You get passive bonuses by spending lots of Aurum. You get gear which isn't used up when you die. The cover of being able to get everything for free anyways by just playing is slowly vanishing, as that's not the case anymore for a lot of stuff. It really looks like CCP is currently turning Dust into a P2W festival.
It's been "p2w" from the start and the devs will argue that it's not but a two new players start. One pays money and one does not. One gets an APEX suit and one does not. That is very clearly paying for a direct advantage. The only difference is once you get to the higher skill points, paying does nothing. So it works out in the end but this is a free game so enjoy it. |
LUGMOS
YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE
1069
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Posted - 2014.12.10 01:22:00 -
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Yes, Dust is P2W...
Lol, if you're getting wrecked by militia or standard you're doing it wrong. If you make the argument that they are getting an advantage, so do people in Proto suits. Should we remove those if they are getting an advantage? How about squads?
Strongboxes aren't P2W as they only have a CHANCE to get you something OK with the occasional Officer weapon. I see Officer weapons destroying everything else all the time...
Dust is only becoming pay to have a slight advantage/skip the work/wait, and honestly, when was it not?
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Vell0cet
Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire
2660
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Posted - 2014.12.10 01:25:00 -
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It seems like CCP is flirting that line as hard as they can. I think we're currently on the legit side of it, but if they start playing with the drop rates of officer gear in the boxes, we could quickly break the game (i.e. if $10 gets you dozens of officer weapons).
The MIL/STD BPO's are ok because they're weak. The APEX stuff is concerning because they're actually pretty powerful for being a completely lossless frame. I'm not a fan of the power creep on the lossless stuff here. That really cuts into the risk vs. reward. I've been making good ISK from running my APEX suits in pubs and maintaining reasonable K/D.
The strongboxes are ok right now, but we need to keep a close eye on them to make sure they don't break the game.
I'd like to see the loyalty rank formula get tweaked to be less P2W. It's ok for AUR to play a factor, but it's too strong right now IMO.
I'm ok with the boosters. SP mostly expands your flexibility by supporting additional roles than making you outright stronger once you reach the 10-20 mil SP range.
Best PvE idea ever!
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hfderrtgvcd
1458
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Posted - 2014.12.10 01:26:00 -
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Its not pay-to-win but the over monetization is getting a bit annoying.
You can't fight in here! This is the war room.
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Kierkegaard Soren
THE HANDS OF DEATH RUST415
573
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Posted - 2014.12.10 01:28:00 -
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Nothing thst you pay for makes you better. The very definition of oay to win is that you spend money to obtain a meaningful competitive edge over those that do not pay, and so far everything that you can purchase with real money in apXust only makes you more efficient, and that's a different kettle of fish entirely. The BPO's are all militia tier, and thus the worst quality imaginable, the Quaffe and APEX will not go te to toe against actual proto suits (XOR even well fitted advanced ones for that matter), the Agent makes you more isk but really, it's tiny, it really is, and the loyalty rank gains are pretty tame. Nice, but hardly altering the balance of power.
The booster stacking is interesting, however. I'm trying out three stacked actives for a month (-ú15 purchased) and it's a massive deal. I suddenly feel like my time playing is rewarded with sufficient SP gains. Still, those gains don't make me a better player overall, they're just getting me through my skills quicker. Like I said before, it's more efficient, not more powerful.
I think, overall, CCP have done a decent job making money off of us mercs without blatantly giving purchasers of Aurum all-conquering powers of destruction.
Dedicated Commando.
"He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing." -Paul Atreides.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
5402
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Posted - 2014.12.10 01:30:00 -
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Stevez Wingyip wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:A few months back some dev said that they intend Dust to have "one of the fairest microtransactin system" or something along these lines. The focus was that it won't be P2W in any way... but looking at the recent changes I don't think they can accomplish this goal. I mean what have they added recently?
Militia BPOs
Originally intended to be removed form Dust they're now back and more numerous than ever. It seems like every weapon has a Militia BPO now you can only buy with Aurum. In addition to that there are unique Dropsuit BPOs, namely the Quafe suits. Only obtainable by spending Aurum of course. And well, they are free suits and free weapons. Making sure you don't lose anything when dying. They're only standard stuff though, so maybe that's still fine. But just the sheer amount of BPOs becoming available now makes me worry. Heck: It even takes away from the aspect of being careful what you run. And in the past Militia BPOs were limited. You couldn't run everything when you wanted a free fitting. Now that's changing. As running militia stuff is, expecially for FW, the easiest way to stay ISK postitive it really takes away from being careful about what you're running. Low on ISK? No problem. Just run your free fitting the next few matches. What doesn't make it better are...
APEX suits
Fair thing: You can farm them. That is if you play for Minmatar or Gallente. Try farming these on Amarr or Caldari side when only getting ~200 LP every match because they're ALWAYS losing. (that's another matter though) But hey! You can of course spent 30 bucks on these Protosuit BPOs. I mean of course: They're only fitted with standard equipment. Doesn't change though that these suits are completely free and the easiest way to get them - that is if you don't want to farm for a month - is just buying them.
Market Contract
Our beloved stripper in the Captains Quarters. Spend Aurum to get more money from selling stuff. I guess that speaks for itself, doesn't it?
SP Booster
My favorite really. Increased cap for everybody? Fine. But now you can not only boost that cap with active boosters, no. You can ADDITIONALLY boost your already active boosted match SP further with an instant booster. As SP are one of the most important things in the game this reeks of P2W. I mean of course everybody gets them and I was still fine with normal active boosters. But now the additional instant boost? There's a fine line you have to draw when it comes to saving time without being P2W. And I think that point crossed that line.
Strongboxes
Best way to get Officer gear. A relatively grindy / hard daily (sometimes only doable by buying boosters) gives you one key a day. You can of course buy more keys... for Aurum.
Loyalty Ranks
Damn. Have you tried increasing that thing without spending Aurum? And it gives you more of everything. More SP, more Money, more LP. Spending Aurum seems to be the best way to get a higher rank here. Earning warpoints and winning matches seems to do almost nothing. Especially considering how many matches you win when playing FW for Caldari/Amarr.
In the past most of the stuff you had to pay for you could also get by looting in FW and PC. And it wasn't the best gear either and people had to continously pay to support running suits using Aurum gear. That was still fine. But now by spending Aurum you have the best chance of getting Officer gear. You get passive bonuses by spending lots of Aurum. You get gear which isn't used up when you die. The cover of being able to get everything for free anyways by just playing is slowly vanishing, as that's not the case anymore for a lot of stuff. It really looks like CCP is currently turning Dust into a P2W festival. It's been "p2w" from the start and the devs will argue that it's not but a two new players start. One pays money and one does not. One gets an APEX suit and one does not. That is very clearly paying for a direct advantage. The only difference is once you get to the higher skill points, paying does nothing. So it works out in the end but this is a free game so enjoy it.
It makes me cringe when I see people that take exception to people spending money to support the game you play. It's laughable that people think f2p games are free, if the micro purchases in the game aren't attractive the game fails.
I wish my avatar was Minmatar.
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Vlad Rostok
SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance
36
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Posted - 2014.12.10 01:37:00 -
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The "free to play" model is an interesting thing.
Haven't you ever heard that "there's no free lunch"?
After all, bills have to be paid and people have to eat.
My guess is that the more recent developments are in line with what was envisioned for the Legion game.
The original Dust model was flawed, in my opinion, because those who were in at the beginning had all the advantages and the resulting disparity in skills and gear discouraged many newer players from continuing (stubborn masochists aside).
If the playing field can be leveled out somewhat, with less appreciable difference between entry gear and top level gear, then more players might stay with the game, increasing the playerbase and, more importantly, revenue.
Because bills have to be paid and people have to eat.
EDIT : Ninja'd by Thor, to some extent. |
Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens Capital Punishment.
2883
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Posted - 2014.12.10 01:48:00 -
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APEX suits are extremely minor. A Basic Suit with Complex Modules is likely better than an APEX suit given the not perfectly suited modules and basic quality. Saying they are P2W is giving the APEX suits way too much credit.
Market Dealer is 15% more isk for selling crap. Stuff sells so incredibly small anyway. But if you want to save isk, you are probably better off buying Aurum and using Aurum gear rather than getting 15% more on salvage. Also, this game has no economy. If you have 10,000 isk and are isk positive to the extent that you are getting 1,000 more every day you can play forever the same as if you had a billion isk.
Loyalty ranks are fairly minor. You are not really getting that much more of a benefit over another person if your loyalty rank is 15 rather than 1.
Stacking boosters and end of match boosters? Yes, this is encroaching into Pay to Win territory especially in the case of someone starting the game right now. I have 41 million SP or so. If I pay 100 dollars for boosters, I might unlock more stuff but it doesn't mean much. But two new players, one spending 30 dollars for triple boosters and the other not? That is 1.8 million passive compared to 720,000 and 7.5 million active compared to 3 million. I get Prototype in a single role in a month while you get to about Advanced in a month. In two months, I have all my Passive skills and maybe another Prototype role while you are pushing for your first Prototype role. It is a massive advantage beyond the 50% it was before.
However, Boosters might someday change to instead increasing the rate at which you get SP rather than giving you more SP above the cap. If this happens, it will be "use boosters to get to your cap easier or grind it out" which means Mr. Free-to-Play has the same opportunity as Mr. Ridgeson the "CCP sends me a thank you note every year" guy. Who knows?
The only P2W aspect is the result of Rattati leaving his brain in his car and forgetting how boosters work. The rest is so minute I think it falls somewhat close to 'ethical.'
"This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
8725
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Posted - 2014.12.10 02:22:00 -
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hfderrtgvcd wrote:Its not pay-to-win but the over monetization is getting a bit annoying.
Hey, if they keep pumping out quality patches, I could care less.
So long as Aurum doesn't give you a direct advantage.
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Found a new family in the Vherokior Tribe.
Nobody messes with my family
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gustavo acosta
Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance
567
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Posted - 2014.12.10 02:30:00 -
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It's not P2W until the surveys for AUR are made.
GimmeDatSuhWeet isk
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Kayla Michael
Tactical Logistics and Cargo Northern Associates.
42
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Posted - 2014.12.10 02:38:00 -
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LUGMOS wrote:Yes, Dust is P2W... Lol, if you're getting wrecked by militia or standard you're doing it wrong. If you make the argument that they are getting an advantage, so do people in Proto suits. Should we remove those if they are getting an advantage? How about squads? Strongboxes aren't P2W as they only have a CHANCE to get you something OK with the occasional Officer weapon. I see Officer weapons destroying everything else all the time... Dust is only becoming pay to have a slight advantage/skip the work/wait, and honestly, when was it not?
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Hakyou Brutor
Titans of Phoenix
1819
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Posted - 2014.12.10 02:41:00 -
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Simply, yes. Triple stacked boosters for 150% SP increase? Yeah, not P2W at all (sarcasm)
Knight Soiaire = my bae
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Vapor Forseti
Nyain Chan General Tso's Alliance
1690
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Posted - 2014.12.10 02:44:00 -
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Dust has never been the same ever since 1.9 deployed.
Hell, it doesn't even feel like Dust anymore.
Texted my wife. She said she wants two holo strippers for her room. She also wants a holo penguin butler.
-Ripley
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KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
1565
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Posted - 2014.12.10 02:48:00 -
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Once more people forget what Pay-To-Win (P2W) REALLY means:
If you spend real money for an in-game pvp advantage you cannot otherwise get then it is P2W.
Of course reality never totally fits onto any theoretical rule (meaning there could be a practically unreachable way of getting the same advantage) but that is not the issue here.
People would enjoy Dust a lot more if they accepted the fact that EVERYTHING is subject to change
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HYENAKILLER X
WILL FIGHT ANYONE
868
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Posted - 2014.12.10 03:00:00 -
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first off go play dark orbit if you want play to win. dust is offering more bpos but look at them criticaly. even if you get apex scout without level gal scout you basicaly are in a big red paper bag. its pay for sp boost at best. its bpo for the sake of isk conservation. that facilitates pc and extended proto capacity.
besides no matter what anyone says you have to come here ready to fist fight. suits by no means equate skill in this game.
no one wears proto 90% of the time because unless you are on a top 5 corp in a good squad you will lose it.
in the immortal words of allen iverson: money cannot buy you a jump shot.
guns* and you are.....?
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Stupid Blueberry
Hyasyoda Terrestrial Acquisitions Firm
700
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Posted - 2014.12.10 03:48:00 -
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Why does someone always have to say this **** after every update? Go play WoT then come back here and say dust is p2w.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
Haajakin Kalen.
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
5479
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Posted - 2014.12.10 04:03:00 -
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OP doesn't have a clue what P2W is P2W occurs when spending money on the game gives you a bonus that can't be earned via other means in game.
My advice to you, playa...
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Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
5004
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Posted - 2014.12.10 04:08:00 -
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I'd say it's the other way around. One may acquire boosters through Strong Boxes.
AUR just makes things faster, like before, but less so. |
Avinash Decker
Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic
158
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Posted - 2014.12.10 05:27:00 -
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Not really, but they are monetizing the crap out of this game much, much more than usually. Like all the big 'features' are just another way CCP is trying to monetize the game, they are more than trying to by making features more of a grind and keep players playing instead actually improving the game. |
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
2542
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Posted - 2014.12.10 05:49:00 -
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None in that list are really P2W, no matter how many words you use to justify your argument -- you can get each and every one of them through playing the game.
And BTW, strongboxes do NOT appear to be the "best way to get officer gear". And remember, keys can be received both in salvage as well as through daily missions. |
Dauth Jenkins
Titans of Phoenix
608
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Posted - 2014.12.10 05:50:00 -
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Avinash Decker wrote:Not really, but they are monetizing the crap out of this game much, much more than usually. Like all the big 'features' are just another way CCP is trying to monetize the game, they are more than trying to by making features more of a grind and keep players playing instead actually improving the game.
well, if they cant keep players, then there will be no one around to enjoy the game when it gets improved. Game development isnt free, theyve got to get there money from somewhere. Hell, ill pay 60 bucks if it means we get patches with new content once in a while.
-Sincerely
--The Dual Swarm Commando
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HYENAKILLER X
WILL FIGHT ANYONE
869
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Posted - 2014.12.10 06:05:00 -
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ccp needs to sweeten the pot even more if you ask me. more bpos! ide make everything bpo. depending on what you spend and your level it can either be permenant or timed like boosters. instant sp boost needs to be way more for 100 aur.
make it worth the money. if you want a proto bpo limit the option to timed if you are not level 5.
bust out the good stuff.
thats the one messed up thing about all games with microtransactions. nobody every opens the flood gates.
there are just so many things they can do.
guns* and you are.....?
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Robocop Junior
research lab
851
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Posted - 2014.12.10 06:28:00 -
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HYENAKILLER X wrote:ccp needs to sweeten the pot even more if you ask me. more bpos! ide make everything bpo. depending on what you spend and your level it can either be permenant or timed like boosters. instant sp boost needs to be way more for 100 aur.
make it worth the money. if you want a proto bpo limit the option to timed if you are not level 5.
bust out the good stuff.
thats the one messed up thing about all games with microtransactions. nobody every opens the flood gates.
there are just so many things they can do.
I liked your exit outta that random chat earlier...."This chat is beneath me" then gone hahaha I left right after funny stuff.
If strength were all, tiger would not fear scorpion.
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
1282
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Posted - 2014.12.10 07:08:00 -
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I still would not call it directly pay to win but it took a bug jump that direction when we got triple stacking boosters and instant SP boosts.
The strong box is more like pay to save some isk and hope you get lucky. Obviously more keys means more chance of officer weapons but the few you can get for spending thousands of AUR is nothing compared to whats going to happen when trading comes around.
I feel like BPOs have given some people that want to not AFK the ability to do just that but they are far from competitve suits. |
Kall Hut
The Exemplars RISE of LEGION
3
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Posted - 2014.12.10 13:56:00 -
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Stop complaining about this kind of stuff. paying money does not give you an incredible advantage over those who play for free. Someone that to support the game so it's fair that players who play get some kind of compensation. It's not like you can buy proto blueprints or some op weapon only attainable with aur. All aur does at the moment is save time. It's incredible how ungereatful people can be. |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
3543
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Posted - 2014.12.10 14:06:00 -
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TO THE OP....
stop bitching, CCP has to make money. You want all of these updates and new additions to the game & then brag about not spending money on a free game.
imo, they should have added this a long time ago. Not to mention, that all of these aur bought gear is available without aur. There is no advantage.
Speaking of which, CCP...release some omega boosters and make more money. Who wouldn't stockpile them now?
> Check RND out here
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Aikuchi Tomaru
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
2621
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Posted - 2014.12.10 14:21:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:OP doesn't have a clue what P2W is P2W occurs when spending money on the game gives you a bonus that can't be earned via other means in game.
Like you don't have a clue what I'm talking about. I specifically mentioned becoming P2W. Currently I would say it's extremely borderline with the tendency to become full out P2W. I mean the SP boost for example... I accepted it when it only was Active boosters and passive boosters, even though that was laready too much for some people. But now they upped that one with instant boosters. Every little thing is getting monetarized here.
To the people saiyin they have to make money somehow: Of course they do. But at some point it starts to hurt the game. You could also make money by selling purely cosmetic changes. Yet the stuff which is actually gameplay changing and you can only get for Aurum is increasing. How long before the first Aurum only weapon comes out which is better than proto and also a BPO?
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Lazer Fo Cused
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
199
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Posted - 2014.12.10 14:22:00 -
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1. Nope
2. SP - Pay to get ahead for a bit and skill into something else |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
3543
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Posted - 2014.12.10 14:28:00 -
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Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:OP doesn't have a clue what P2W is P2W occurs when spending money on the game gives you a bonus that can't be earned via other means in game. Like you don't have a clue what I'm talking about. I specifically mentioned becoming P2W. Currently I would say it's extremely borderline with the tendency to become full out P2W. I mean the SP boost for example... I accepted it when it only was Active boosters and passive boosters, even though that was laready too much for some people. But now they upped that one with instant boosters. Every little thing is getting monetarized here. To the people saiyin they have to make money somehow: Of course they do. But at some point it starts to hurt the game. You could also make money by selling purely cosmetic changes. Yet the stuff which is actually gameplay changing and you can only get for Aurum is increasing. How long before the first Aurum only weapon comes out which is better than proto and also a BPO?
cosmetic changes? i wouldn't spend more than a $1 to paint my character gold. I wouldn't even be able to see it since its an fps and not a 3ps. Monetizing gear wont make much money since we can buy it for ISK once we're specced into it
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