Shadow of War88
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Posted - 2014.12.10 18:16:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:As I've said before, simply adding PG and CPU to the Madrugar wont do much to help it. They will still need to fit 1 Repper, 1 Plate, and 1 Hardener. Even if all of those are maxed to proto, the eHP simply wont stack up against a Gunnlogi running 2 Hardeners and 1 Extender. And yes you're correct that shields in Dust typically have much faster regen rate than armor, *however* nearly all shield fits will fall short of comparable armor fits in terms HP, which is not the case for vehicles. Shield Vehicles enjoy both high HP as well as great regen, and they should need to pick between one or the other.
Lets just assume we stick with the 3/2 and 2/3 slot system for now. So you have 3 slots you can work with. Every HAV requires at least 1 hardener and 1 HP extender (You can argue that 2 hardeners will work as well, but regardless) and then the means to regenerate HP. Armor wont regen on its own so it's 3rd slot innately gets consumed by an armor repairer.
Armor
1 Hardener
1 Plate
1 Repper
While this is...extremely boring, it's the bare minimum needed for an armor vehicle to survive.
Shields on the other hand dont have to fit a repper since they get their regen back much faster.
Shield
1 Hardener
1 Extender
--Free Slot--
Currently they can fill that free slot with another extender or hardener, keeping high HP regen and pushing eHP even higher. This is problematic, there is no tradeoff. So lets say you decreased the natural shield regen rate by X% and then offered a module to increase it by X%. This would mean to maintain the same level of shield recharge, that Free Slot would need to be filled with a Recharger of sorts. OR they could accept the lower regen and put in a hardener/extender to maintain the same high eHP they're capable of now, but with longer regen times. I think this is the basic outline we need to consider when looking at shield vehicles.
lower shield recharge makes sense, but nothing extremely low like 40hp/s. Shield recharge delay and depleted shield recharge delays still apply. 4sec/10sec respectively. (164hp/s to 82hp/s is very reasonable)
1. passive armor reps need to go.
2. multi pulse boosters need to come back, stronger than active armor reps but fewer pulses.
3. passive shield regen modules need to come back, significantly weaker than active armor reps.
4. PDUs need to come back as well.
5. return poly 180mm
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Shadow of War88
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Posted - 2014.12.10 22:38:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Hmm well consider this
STD Heavy Armor Rep: 80HP/s
ADV Heavy Armor Rep: 90HP/s
PRO Heavy Armor Rep: 110HP/s
so even at 85 shield regen per second that's very close to a built-in ADV Heavy Armor rep, and still allows that shield HAV to maintain its extremely high eHP. DOn't get me wrong I'm not on a rampage to nerf Shield Vehicles into the ground, but I feel like they're getting the best of both worlds right now.
Im not sure what CCPs vision is regarding the place of vehicles but from what I observed over the past 2 years it seems that shields are suppose to be alpha tank. While armor is more anti av, tanking small sustained damage over time that would otherwise break shield regen cycle.
You cant tell me you want armor gone from the low slots, and less base regen, and less effectiveness on shield hardeners.
164 to 82 is a 50% nerf. Cant compare that to armor that reps without delay. New miny flux OB rain on me every ******* minute. & Im not sure where the 5h/3l talk is coming from. I haven't seen any of that confirmed or even hinted. But then again im not very involved on forums :(
If PDU and effective passive regen modules return, then we can tweak numbers. But im not waiting 3 minutes for full regen. This is not EvE. Im playing a lobby shooter.
*side note* - Anyone bothered by the extreme saturation of the battlefield by OP 12k hp free turrets? Or the fact vehicle specialists cant really play ambush........and the game has like 3 game modes total. Lol 2 games total if you a dedicated pilot.
Or the fact we working hard to balance and discuss stuff, then jihad jeep rolls outa nowhere. Or you have a awesome tank fight, win by like 800 hp, then the loser of the tank fight pops out last second and boom its a min mando with swarms  I never hated a dev so much as I hate Rattati. Now he wants to buff proxy mines. Oh did I mention every noob and their mom can shoot a fukin flux from the heavens on my Cal tank?
Go ahead and push for a bigger nerf to shield regen. Not like it matters in the big picture.
Thanks for organizing and compiling all the stuff though. Read your google doc...good stuff. And you not even a CPM. LOL!
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