DUST Search - All lasers are the same

True Adamance wrote:

Vell0cet wrote:

Lazer Fo Cused wrote:

Vell0cet wrote:

1. Yes. It's a balancing factor and adds tactical depth to combat.
2. You're no worse off than you are now
3. It would remain red. It's a long range weapon; it remains a long range weapon even if you use it at close range.
4. Having colors as visual indicators of range is how it works in EVE. It is a good system and worth bringing to DUST. Having ammo types that deal different profiles doesn't make sense in DUST since damage profiles are simplified into armor/shield and resistances are based on weapon type. This is a simplification of EVE's system that makes sense for DUST. Having a laser ammo type that does 50%laser damage and 50% projectile damage makes no sense though.

I could see ammo types where you get increased range for reduced DPS (and visa-versa) at some point. This is compatible with the colors-based-on-range suggestion I made. It's NOT compatible with colors being used as visual gimmicks for BPOs (I say this as an owner of Templar LR, ScR, and ScP) or meta levels.

1. It only every works for lasers but in EVE if you see Amarr you are gonna get lasers and depending on the ship you may know if its a bonus for distance and if its burning towards to closing the gap you can be damn sure its gonna be close range

2. DUST doesnt need hints like this since range is key, if you are rocking a GA Assault then i reckon its going to be an AR which needs to be generally closer than the rest of the rifles but you could be packing an ARR or CR which means you are flavour of the month if it is flavour of the month or just want to rock with a diff weapon and rifle combo and ignore your bonus

3. Visual gimmicks it most certainly is, i would be fine with customizable colours for weapons/suits and vehicles but since we dont have diff ammo types we dont need this yet

I have no problem with cosmetic differences in the skins of weapons/suits etc. Laser colors shouldn't be included in this category though. DUST should ALWAYS follow EVE, except if there is a very good gameplay or technical reason not to. That should be a hard design rule. If we start goofing around with laser colors for the hell of it, and ignore the precedent of EVE--breaking lore, people are going to get attached to their cosmetic colors. This will make a transition to laser colors being meaningful much more difficult later. At that point, either 1. we would never see ammo types, 2. we would get them, and the colors get changed from being cosmetic to being range-based as they should be, and people will rage (because "I bought the Toxin LR for the green laser!!! CCP is stealing my money, changing the thing i bought after I paid for it!!! refund! Lawyer! Petition!" blah, blah, blah), or they add the ammo types and keep the cosmetics the same, and then when youre getting hit with a green LR, you wont know if its a breach LR hitting you in its optimal, or a "Toxin" long range LR being used up close with poor DPS. That would be a clusterf*ck.

If there was a solid gameplay/technical reason to have laser colors be cosmetic I'd be happy to hear it, but "red is pretty" doesn't cut it. We should do this right and plan for the future of the game.

Firstly I am in complete agreement with Vel0cet as usual. This is not about cosmetic difference this is about lore and in game appropriate colour schemes that denote a link between the technologies present in both games.

Secondly I underlined a section of though that is woefully ignorant.

https://zkillboard.com/kill/42876986/ - A Prophecy I helped kill the other day using Blasters, also note that my Heretic uses Light Missiles as it's primary weapon type.

https://zkillboard.com/kill/42937781/ - A Vengeance Dori knocked out the other day using Rockets.....


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Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 6359	Posted - 2014.12.09 14:12:00 - [1] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Slave of MORTE wrote: Except victors they are all Luke skywalker keep blue What color is Viktors? I haven't tried mine yet. And did he get to pick the color? Only seems fair. Hey did not ))<>(( [Event]Dust Hunger Games PC, ISK,EVE, Corp Services
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 6371	Posted - 2014.12.09 21:06:00 - [2] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Vell0cet wrote: Lazer Fo Cused wrote: Vell0cet wrote: 1. Yes. It's a balancing factor and adds tactical depth to combat. 2. You're no worse off than you are now 3. It would remain red. It's a long range weapon; it remains a long range weapon even if you use it at close range. 4. Having colors as visual indicators of range is how it works in EVE. It is a good system and worth bringing to DUST. Having ammo types that deal different profiles doesn't make sense in DUST since damage profiles are simplified into armor/shield and resistances are based on weapon type. This is a simplification of EVE's system that makes sense for DUST. Having a laser ammo type that does 50%laser damage and 50% projectile damage makes no sense though. I could see ammo types where you get increased range for reduced DPS (and visa-versa) at some point. This is compatible with the colors-based-on-range suggestion I made. It's NOT compatible with colors being used as visual gimmicks for BPOs (I say this as an owner of Templar LR, ScR, and ScP) or meta levels. 1. It only every works for lasers but in EVE if you see Amarr you are gonna get lasers and depending on the ship you may know if its a bonus for distance and if its burning towards to closing the gap you can be damn sure its gonna be close range 2. DUST doesnt need hints like this since range is key, if you are rocking a GA Assault then i reckon its going to be an AR which needs to be generally closer than the rest of the rifles but you could be packing an ARR or CR which means you are flavour of the month if it is flavour of the month or just want to rock with a diff weapon and rifle combo and ignore your bonus 3. Visual gimmicks it most certainly is, i would be fine with customizable colours for weapons/suits and vehicles but since we dont have diff ammo types we dont need this yet I have no problem with cosmetic differences in the skins of weapons/suits etc. Laser colors shouldn't be included in this category though. DUST should ALWAYS follow EVE, except if there is a very good gameplay or technical reason not to. That should be a hard design rule. If we start goofing around with laser colors for the hell of it, and ignore the precedent of EVE--breaking lore, people are going to get attached to their cosmetic colors. This will make a transition to laser colors being meaningful much more difficult later. At that point, either 1. we would never see ammo types, 2. we would get them, and the colors get changed from being cosmetic to being range-based as they should be, and people will rage (because "I bought the Toxin LR for the green laser!!! CCP is stealing my money, changing the thing i bought after I paid for it!!! refund! Lawyer! Petition!" blah, blah, blah), or they add the ammo types and keep the cosmetics the same, and then when youre getting hit with a green LR, you wont know if its a breach LR hitting you in its optimal, or a "Toxin" long range LR being used up close with poor DPS. That would be a clusterf*ck. If there was a solid gameplay/technical reason to have laser colors be cosmetic I'd be happy to hear it, but "red is pretty" doesn't cut it. We should do this right and plan for the future of the game. Firstly I am in complete agreement with Vel0cet as usual. This is not about cosmetic difference this is about lore and in game appropriate colour schemes that denote a link between the technologies present in both games. Secondly I underlined a section of though that is woefully ignorant. https://zkillboard.com/kill/42876986/ - A Prophecy I helped kill the other day using Blasters, also note that my Heretic uses Light Missiles as it's primary weapon type. https://zkillboard.com/kill/42937781/ - A Vengeance Dori knocked out the other day using Rockets..... My dragoon's are fit with autocannons or light missles \o/ https://zkillboard.com/kill/42740650/ https://zkillboard.com/kill/42832684/ ))<>(( [Event]Dust Hunger Games PC, ISK,EVE, Corp Services