DUST Search - CCP why do you promote boosting/impossible challanges?

Joseph Ridgeson wrote:

Hmm, let's play with some numbers.

Domination are usually the longest games. Let's say you are in game for 15 minutes.

15 x 60 (seconds) x 5 = 4,500 SP. You need 15,500 more SP from WP, which is 7,750 WP.

That isn't easy to do but it is *possible*. Get a friend to put a Heavy suit on with an HMG, get to doing super Logibro, and you might hit it. If the game lasts something like 12 minutes, you need 8.7k WP. Again, possible but not easy. I have hit like 6k WP as a Logi and as a Tanker before. It is possible.

But it isn't really going to happen without boosters. Hitting 1,000 as a Logistics is not that hard. Hitting 2,000 as any good squad player is also not that hard. But the games where Logistics players hit 7k WP are the ones they put on YouTube. Even Shayz game where he pulled 5,625 WP with someone to rep only netted 14,175 SP, pre-boost. I know we all like to say that we are all some kind of gods that go "pfft, 5k WP every game every time no problem" but it simply is not true. Look at the games where it is an absolutely stomp. You see 1.5-2.5k in the tops. The games where we get those huge numbers are the ones where we take pictures of.

I can pull 3k+ as a Logistics player with my dad going Heavy with a defend order. And, yes, that is with cheesing it so he is taking damage from people far away and I am getting +30, +30, +30, +30, +30 while staying completely safe. I can say that 3k on a decent game of domination is not very hard. But there is a far cry from 8k.

Possible? Yes. But I don't think I can believe the number of people that have said they can or have done it without at least a single booster. The calculations (X is how long you expect a match to be in seconds while Y will be the WP you will need):

(X * 5) + (Y * 2) = 21,000. No booster. 8.7k
[(X * 5) + (Y * 2) x 1.5] = 21,000. 1 Active. 5.2k WP.
[(X * 5) + (Y * 2) x 2.0] = 21,000. 2 Active. 3,450 WP.
[(X * 5) + (Y * 2) x 2.5] = 21,000. 3 Active. 2,400 WP.

WP needed assumes X is 12 minutes. So, no boosters is nearly impossible, 1 booster is difficult, 2 boosters is a great game, and 3 boosters is a good game (in my opinion).

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Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 620	Posted - 2014.12.09 11:36:00 - [1] - Quote Allright im online, got to the game and checked my dayly missions and guess what silly mission ive got? GET 20.999SP IN A SINGLE MATCH! How the hell are im supposed to get that much SP without a booster running? Do you really want people boosting for this? Tone it down to something like 12k SP in a single match which is reasonable for people that are playing this game without throwing tons of AUR at it. Bright is the opposite of dark! Who would have thought of that?!
Jack 3enimble Titans of Phoenix 551	Posted - 2014.12.09 11:39:00 - [2] - Quote Bright Cloud wrote: Allright im online, got to the game and checked my dayly missions and guess what silly mission ive got? GET 20.999SP IN A SINGLE MATCH! How the hell are im supposed to get that much SP without a booster running? Do you really want people boosting for this? Tone it down to something like 12k SP in a single match which is reasonable for people that are playing this game without throwing tons of AUR at it. P2W.. IT'S LIKE A CHAMELEON SON! Dealing justice with a swift punch in the balls, now in battles near you!
Stevez Wingyip DUST University Ivy League 27	Posted - 2014.12.09 11:42:00 - [3] - Quote Bright Cloud wrote: Allright im online, got to the game and checked my dayly missions and guess what silly mission ive got? GET 20.999SP IN A SINGLE MATCH! How the hell are im supposed to get that much SP without a booster running? Do you really want people boosting for this? Tone it down to something like 12k SP in a single match which is reasonable for people that are playing this game without throwing tons of AUR at it. I've done that without boosters before. Run logi.
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 13615	Posted - 2014.12.09 11:50:00 - [4] - Quote Stevez Wingyip wrote: Bright Cloud wrote: Allright im online, got to the game and checked my dayly missions and guess what silly mission ive got? GET 20.999SP IN A SINGLE MATCH! How the hell are im supposed to get that much SP without a booster running? Do you really want people boosting for this? Tone it down to something like 12k SP in a single match which is reasonable for people that are playing this game without throwing tons of AUR at it. I've done that without boosters before. Run logi. That's like, the only way to get 21k SP. Yesterday I went on a wrecking streak, getting 30+ kills a match. The most SP I've gotten is 18k~. And I've been running an injector, so I had an extra source of WP. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 2455	Posted - 2014.12.09 12:05:00 - [5] - Quote how does this have a bllue tag? Minmatar is Winmatar Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind" I am Chances Ghost
Malleus Malificorum Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 171	Posted - 2014.12.09 12:07:00 - [6] - Quote Some of these need tweaking, I think I have on one of my characters something crazy like earn a bajillionty WARPOINTS in a match Weep not poor children, For life is this way, Murdering beauty and passion. I bring the light.
Edau Skir2 Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 12	Posted - 2014.12.09 12:08:00 - [7] - Quote With three Active Booster implants, that's child's play.
Daddrobit You Can Call Me Daddy 1170	Posted - 2014.12.09 12:12:00 - [8] - Quote Edau Skir2 wrote: With three Active Booster implants, that's child's play. And I don't even run Logi, just standard hacky hacky killy killy tankysplode. That's the technical term for it Aye, pay the AUR to have 2-3 boosters running so you can avoid paying the AUR to buy a key? Doesn't that kinda defeat the purpose? O.G. Pink Fluffy Bunny
Edau Skir2 Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 13	Posted - 2014.12.09 12:16:00 - [9] - Quote I guarantee people do that anyway, otherwise it's just not cricket! Seeing as how people will be using these all the time anyway, all these complaints are so null and void it defies all logic.
sabre prime Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 924	Posted - 2014.12.09 12:17:00 - [10] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: how does this have a bllue tag? That's why I clicked the thread. Maybe dev post got deleted? The slow blade penetrates the shield.

Edau Skir2 Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 15	Posted - 2014.12.09 12:19:00 - [11] - Quote OH CHRIST. SOMEONE CAN'T READ. "Fighter - Earn 20,999 Skill Points in a single DAY" Discussion over.
Daddrobit You Can Call Me Daddy 1170	Posted - 2014.12.09 12:19:00 - [12] - Quote Edau Skir2 wrote: I guarantee people do that anyway, otherwise it's just not cricket! Seeing as how people will be using these all the time anyway, all these complaints are so null and void it defies all logic. I'd wager an overwhelming majority of the playerbase does -not- have a constant 3 boosters running simultaneously. O.G. Pink Fluffy Bunny
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 2457	Posted - 2014.12.09 12:19:00 - [13] - Quote Edau Skir2 wrote: OH CHRIST. SOMEONE CAN'T READ. "Fighter - Earn 20,999 Skill Points in a single DAY" Discussion over. LOL i <3 you Minmatar is Winmatar Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind" I am Chances Ghost
Pushing Charlie Elite Intergalactic Mercenaries 505	Posted - 2014.12.09 12:20:00 - [14] - Quote Lockboxes and decryptors should've just came with a new hacking skill and minigame, none of this AUR bullshit. May we never forget his sacrifice
Daddrobit You Can Call Me Daddy 1170	Posted - 2014.12.09 12:21:00 - [15] - Quote Oh, if it's a single day, then yeah, that's like two to three matches. Haven't gotten on yet, so I couldn't check OPs numbers.... O.G. Pink Fluffy Bunny
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 2457	Posted - 2014.12.09 12:22:00 - [16] - Quote Pushing Charlie wrote: Lockboxes and decryptors should've just came with a new hacking skill and minigame, none of this AUR bullshit. maybe then people would realise that hacking is MANDITORY to max out.... i swear im kicking anyone who doesnt have it maxxed out of any PC team i run Minmatar is Winmatar Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind" I am Chances Ghost
xavier zor Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 348	Posted - 2014.12.09 12:25:00 - [17] - Quote Edau Skir2 wrote: OH CHRIST. SOMEONE CAN'T READ. "Fighter - Earn 20,999 Skill Points in a single DAY" Discussion over. HAHAHAHA i was going to say... My to-do list when i return to dust: Logi my own way to an OB, and never use the cloak on my minja! And have some ISK!
Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 621	Posted - 2014.12.09 12:29:00 - [18] - Quote Edau Skir2 wrote: OH CHRIST. SOMEONE CAN'T READ. "Fighter - Earn 20,999 Skill Points in a single DAY" Discussion over. no did two matches. One where ive earned around 5000 SP and the second where ive earned 9484 SP. And guess what? it only keeps track of your highest Sp gaining match. And i do can read and it clearly says Earn it in a single match. Im aware that there are challanges which are for your overall day. I have combatant and fighter challanges at the moment. One is overall progress the other is for the single match. Now go away and let people talk here that actually know what they are talking about. Bright is the opposite of dark! Who would have thought of that?!
CrotchGrab 360 Yon Hyaku Nijuu Moyase 1628	Posted - 2014.12.09 12:35:00 - [19] - Quote Bright Cloud wrote: Allright im online, got to the game and checked my dayly missions and guess what silly mission ive got? GET 20.999SP IN A SINGLE MATCH! How the hell are im supposed to get that much SP without a booster running? Do you really want people boosting for this? Tone it down to something like 12k SP in a single match which is reasonable for people that are playing this game without throwing tons of AUR at it. seems to me like you would need to have stacked boosters running, seriously milking this cow. DUST VIDEOS
Edau Skir2 Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 18	Posted - 2014.12.09 12:39:00 - [20] - Quote Bright Cloud wrote: Edau Skir2 wrote: OH CHRIST. SOMEONE CAN'T READ. "Fighter - Earn 20,999 Skill Points in a single DAY" Discussion over. no did two matches. One where ive earned around 5000 SP and the second where ive earned 9484 SP. And guess what? it only keeps track of your highest Sp gaining match. And i do can read and it clearly says Earn it in a single match. Im aware that there are challanges which are for your overall day. I have combatant and fighter challanges at the moment. One is overall progress the other is for the single match. Now go away and let people talk here that actually know what they are talking about. Yeah, the two combatant challenges I have are 5999sp and 6999sp respectively for a single match. Got both done in a single match. Already got me a strongbox

MrBlobz 111	Posted - 2014.12.09 12:39:00 - [21] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: how does this have a bllue tag? Plot twist, the OP is actually Rattati's secret alt (>'o')> #RollinGold <('o'<)
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens Capital Punishment. 2873	Posted - 2014.12.09 12:45:00 - [22] - Quote Hmm, let's play with some numbers. Domination are usually the longest games. Let's say you are in game for 15 minutes. 15 x 60 (seconds) x 5 = 4,500 SP. You need 15,500 more SP from WP, which is 7,750 WP. That isn't easy to do but it is possible. Get a friend to put a Heavy suit on with an HMG, get to doing super Logibro, and you might hit it. If the game lasts something like 12 minutes, you need 8.7k WP. Again, possible but not easy. I have hit like 6k WP as a Logi and as a Tanker before. It is possible. But it isn't really going to happen without boosters. Hitting 1,000 as a Logistics is not that hard. Hitting 2,000 as any good squad player is also not that hard. But the games where Logistics players hit 7k WP are the ones they put on YouTube. Even Shayz game where he pulled 5,625 WP with someone to rep only netted 14,175 SP, pre-boost. I know we all like to say that we are all some kind of gods that go "pfft, 5k WP every game every time no problem" but it simply is not true. Look at the games where it is an absolutely stomp. You see 1.5-2.5k in the tops. The games where we get those huge numbers are the ones where we take pictures of. I can pull 3k+ as a Logistics player with my dad going Heavy with a defend order. And, yes, that is with cheesing it so he is taking damage from people far away and I am getting +30, +30, +30, +30, +30 while staying completely safe. I can say that 3k on a decent game of domination is not very hard. But there is a far cry from 8k. Possible? Yes. But I don't think I can believe the number of people that have said they can or have done it without at least a single booster. The calculations (X is how long you expect a match to be in seconds while Y will be the WP you will need): (X * 5) + (Y * 2) = 21,000. No booster. 8.7k [(X * 5) + (Y * 2) x 1.5] = 21,000. 1 Active. 5.2k WP. [(X * 5) + (Y * 2) x 2.0] = 21,000. 2 Active. 3,450 WP. [(X * 5) + (Y * 2) x 2.5] = 21,000. 3 Active. 2,400 WP. WP needed assumes X is 12 minutes. So, no boosters is nearly impossible, 1 booster is difficult, 2 boosters is a great game, and 3 boosters is a good game (in my opinion). "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1264	Posted - 2014.12.09 12:55:00 - [23] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: how does this have a bllue tag? One of the people on this thread is a secret Mr.Rattati. Chocolate Juice
Valor Goat 51	Posted - 2014.12.09 12:59:00 - [24] - Quote Edau Skir2 wrote: OH CHRIST. SOMEONE CAN'T READ. "Fighter - Earn 20,999 Skill Points in a single DAY" Discussion over. Breh, the missions are different. 1EE7

CCP Frame C C P C C P Alliance 5024	Posted - 2014.12.09 13:00:00 - [25] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Hmm, let's play with some numbers. Domination are usually the longest games. Let's say you are in game for 15 minutes. 15 x 60 (seconds) x 5 = 4,500 SP. You need 15,500 more SP from WP, which is 7,750 WP. That isn't easy to do but it is possible. Get a friend to put a Heavy suit on with an HMG, get to doing super Logibro, and you might hit it. If the game lasts something like 12 minutes, you need 8.7k WP. Again, possible but not easy. I have hit like 6k WP as a Logi and as a Tanker before. It is possible. But it isn't really going to happen without boosters. Hitting 1,000 as a Logistics is not that hard. Hitting 2,000 as any good squad player is also not that hard. But the games where Logistics players hit 7k WP are the ones they put on YouTube. Even Shayz game where he pulled 5,625 WP with someone to rep only netted 14,175 SP, pre-boost. I know we all like to say that we are all some kind of gods that go "pfft, 5k WP every game every time no problem" but it simply is not true. Look at the games where it is an absolutely stomp. You see 1.5-2.5k in the tops. The games where we get those huge numbers are the ones where we take pictures of. I can pull 3k+ as a Logistics player with my dad going Heavy with a defend order. And, yes, that is with cheesing it so he is taking damage from people far away and I am getting +30, +30, +30, +30, +30 while staying completely safe. I can say that 3k on a decent game of domination is not very hard. But there is a far cry from 8k. Possible? Yes. But I don't think I can believe the number of people that have said they can or have done it without at least a single booster. The calculations (X is how long you expect a match to be in seconds while Y will be the WP you will need): (X * 5) + (Y * 2) = 21,000. No booster. 8.7k [(X * 5) + (Y * 2) x 1.5] = 21,000. 1 Active. 5.2k WP. [(X * 5) + (Y * 2) x 2.0] = 21,000. 2 Active. 3,450 WP. [(X * 5) + (Y * 2) x 2.5] = 21,000. 3 Active. 2,400 WP. WP needed assumes X is 12 minutes. So, no boosters is nearly impossible, 1 booster is difficult, 2 boosters is a great game, and 3 boosters is a good game (in my opinion). Math. It's awesome. CCP Frame

Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 621	Posted - 2014.12.09 13:06:00 - [26] - Quote Yeah right and the "eastern european people that are neighbours with germany" are probs boosting with reptools as we speak. Bright is the opposite of dark! Who would have thought of that?!
John Psi Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance 1051	Posted - 2014.12.09 13:09:00 - [27] - Quote Same question. Please support fair play!
Slave of MORTE Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 130	Posted - 2014.12.09 13:21:00 - [28] - Quote Bright Cloud wrote: Allright im online, got to the game and checked my dayly missions and guess what silly mission ive got? GET 20.999SP IN A SINGLE MATCH! How the hell are im supposed to get that much SP without a booster running? Do you really want people boosting for this? Tone it down to something like 12k SP in a single match which is reasonable for people that are playing this game without throwing tons of AUR at it. Re roll for 100 aur..lol Yet another slave of Mortedeamor
Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 621	Posted - 2014.12.09 13:23:00 - [29] - Quote And if your answer to this is "plug in 3 active boosters" then you should just leave this discussion right now. No challange on this game should be impossible to do without the usage of boosters or boosting WP in matches with reptools. Bright is the opposite of dark! Who would have thought of that?!
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 2246	Posted - 2014.12.09 13:40:00 - [30] - Quote Edau Skir2 wrote: Bright Cloud wrote: Edau Skir2 wrote: OH CHRIST. SOMEONE CAN'T READ. "Fighter - Earn 20,999 Skill Points in a single DAY" Discussion over. no did two matches. One where ive earned around 5000 SP and the second where ive earned 9484 SP. And guess what? it only keeps track of your highest Sp gaining match. And i do can read and it clearly says Earn it in a single match. Im aware that there are challanges which are for your overall day. I have combatant and fighter challanges at the moment. One is overall progress the other is for the single match. Now go away and let people talk here that actually know what they are talking about. Yeah, the two combatant challenges I have are 5999sp and 6999sp respectively for a single match. Got both done in a single match. Already got me a strongbox Yeah, 5-6 K is pretty normal payouts. People shouldn't have too hard a time getting that one. I am the bluedot. And I will rise again.



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