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Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law
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Posted - 2014.12.09 03:19:00 -
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Another nerf to Nova Knives and Minmatar scout?
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Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.12.09 03:26:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:Let's be honest, no matter how hard they make it to stab these super tanked armour tryhards (now with scans) we're going to do it anyway.
True, but these changes seem like constant barrages on the Scout, now don't get me wrong here, some scouts go around unaffected (Gallante, Caldari, most certainly the Amarr with their brick tank) while the minmatar is left with the cancer with no cure.
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Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.12.09 03:27:00 -
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Vitharr Foebane wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Another nerf to Nova Knives and Minmatar scout? oh noes now scouts have to use their eyes too??! the humanity... 
Yeah, makes total sense, take away the "scout" in scout and just make my 2.5 million sp investment go toward a light frame with a few extra CPU's and PG's.
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Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.12.09 03:38:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:I'd like to point out the two guys talking trash are both Amarr, and that's just funny in an ironic way.
To tell you the truth, Ratttati annoys me. With every patch/hotfix comes nerfs to everything I ever did. Tanks-ADS-Scouts-projectiles-ect.-ect. The only suit I have left that is worth a damn in my Minmatar Assault.
He wants everything to be eqaul in EWAR category. NO! Scout is suppose to blow the water in EWAR, we shouldn't have to dedicate all our F'ing lows to get under and assault suit with like 2-3 precision. Assaults have two slots over the scout and a crap ton of HP over the scout. By putting those two slots to use, you can literally get to scout status and = stats still have the 6 other slots like scout to work with and still tank more than scout.
What is the scout getting? A 15% CPU/PG reduction per level to a piece of junk equipment that takes all the bonuses you get from EWAR mods and 2.5 million SP investment in the scout suit down the drain.
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Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.12.09 03:40:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:For the love of god RP aside stop with the "Oh my suit is so weak becuze iz a murtar" you got so many inherent bonuses shoved up your ass it should be a crime to ***** about it. The only matar suit that could complain is maybe juuuuuust maybe your sentinel and that mostly because people RARELY whine about it. Yeah so many inherent bonuses, like 5% more melee damage, speed, and hack speed. To pay for those sins, we get a LOT less HP, terrible regen, and the largest hitboxes. Prove you have a larger hit box plus don't start with that less hp crap that's like me crying about being slow... won't really get you far now will it.
Minmatar seriously take more damage than any other race. I can literally run around in a cal scout with 250 shields and still be 10x more survivable than my 343 min scout running at 9.5 m/s.
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Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.12.09 03:44:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Vitharr Foebane wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Vitharr Foebane wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Another nerf to Nova Knives and Minmatar scout? oh noes now scouts have to use their eyes too??! the humanity... Yeah, makes total sense, take away the "scout" in scout and just make my 2.5 million sp investment go toward a light frame with a few extra CPU's and PG's. you can scout still. but now you have risk like the rest of us  Stop saying "you can scout". What does that mean, exactly? You can Sentinel. You can Commando. You can LAV. You can Dropship. You can Assault. And by risk you mean "100% impossible to get the drop on someone to knife them"? Because then yes, I agree.
Dude, scouts are done. WE DONT HAVE SHET GOING FOR US. The FOTM have moved on to heavies and Assaults.
We don't really have Ewar. Assaults can get about the same ewar as us and still maintain more HP.
We don't HP... hurr durr
We don't have element of surprise. Everything will be able to scan our ass in 1.10.
We don't have situational awareness. You might as well run a heavy for EWAR than a scout with a cloak.
The cloak is so sh*********************t.
Scouts are done. Even the Scout Scout's are done.
Also, we have no directional awareness combined with low hp and short range weapon like nova knives is like a recipe for disaster.
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Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
1254
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Posted - 2014.12.09 03:45:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:For the love of god RP aside stop with the "Oh my suit is so weak becuze iz a murtar" you got so many inherent bonuses shoved up your ass it should be a crime to ***** about it. The only matar suit that could complain is maybe juuuuuust maybe your sentinel and that mostly because people RARELY whine about it. Yeah so many inherent bonuses, like 5% more melee damage, speed, and hack speed. To pay for those sins, we get a LOT less HP, terrible regen, and the largest hitboxes. Prove you have a larger hit box plus don't start with that less hp crap that's like me crying about being slow... won't really get you far now will it. Minmatar seriously take more damage than any other race. I can literally run around in a cal scout with 250 shields and still be 10x more survivable than my 343 min scout running at 9.5 m/s. Thats only hit box...we don't take inherently more damage to the best of my knowledge.
Test's were done on militia Caldari heavy vs Min Heavy with shotgun and the Min heavy took 20% more damage. The thread is somewhere in features and discussion.
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Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
1256
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Posted - 2014.12.09 03:53:00 -
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xavier zor wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Another nerf to Nova Knives and Minmatar scout? A nerf to noobs like you who depend on wallhacks
Yup, because I skilled into scout to tank as much as a heavy. Maybe the "Scout" in Scout suit stands for something. EWAR.
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Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
1256
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Posted - 2014.12.09 04:07:00 -
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Izlare Lenix wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:
Dude, scouts are done. WE DONT HAVE SHET GOING FOR US. The FOTM have moved on to heavies and Assaults.
We don't really have Ewar. Assaults can get about the same ewar as us and still maintain more HP.
We don't HP... hurr durr
We don't have element of surprise. Everything will be able to scan our ass in 1.10.
We don't have situational awareness. You might as well run a heavy for EWAR than a scout with a cloak.
The cloak is so sh*********************t.
Scouts are done. Even the Scout Scout's are done.
Also, we have no directional awareness combined with low hp and short range weapon like nova knives is like a recipe for disaster.
^ Sadly. All of this is true. Being able to sneak up on a target was the only things scouts had that another role couldn't do better. Now that this ability will be taken away scouts will be almost useless. The HMG spam is already bad and now and this scout nerf is going to make it soooooo much worse.
Why doesn't Rattati understand?
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Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
1256
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Posted - 2014.12.09 04:09:00 -
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Operative 1174 Uuali wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Vitharr Foebane wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Another nerf to Nova Knives and Minmatar scout? oh noes now scouts have to use their eyes too??! the humanity... Yeah, makes total sense, take away the "scout" in scout and just make my 2.5 million sp investment go toward a light frame with a few extra CPU's and PG's. Well, if people did use the scout suit to scout they wouldn't be getting nerfed. Scouting means actually moving to a forward point and remaining at a certain distance without being seen then looking at what you are scouting. In that regard, scouts just got a buff to actual scouting.
There is a huge problem. You get no WP for providing passive scans to squad. I would literally be below the starter fit users if Scouts in your opinion did what scouts did.
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Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
1256
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Posted - 2014.12.09 04:12:00 -
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xavier zor wrote:Operative 1174 Uuali wrote:
Scouting means actually moving to a forward point and remaining at a certain distance without being seen then looking at what you are scouting.
but who actually wants to play dust 514 with a badass scout suit to just look at something?
Nobody. It's like going around in BF4 sitting in a tree and pointing out people to the whole team for a living while they get lots of points you get 0 kills every match.
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Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
1256
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Posted - 2014.12.09 04:15:00 -
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Vitharr Foebane wrote:xavier zor wrote:Operative 1174 Uuali wrote:
Scouting means actually moving to a forward point and remaining at a certain distance without being seen then looking at what you are scouting.
but who actually wants to play dust 514 with a badass scout suit to just look at something? you can still kill things you just have a bit of risk now...
You act like scouts were risk fee. Since when was fighting 1600 EHP 900 DPS death machines in a 300-400 hp suit risk free?
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Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
1258
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Posted - 2014.12.09 04:20:00 -
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xavier zor wrote:Scouts have always been risk free as long as we are the masters of eWar, remain unseen in eWar and use our element of surprise to our advantage. Not everyone does these things. Now CCP removed this and we might as well be fodder
Risk free as in always win in engagement is a false accusation. Risk Free as in a smart played engagement is a better accusation. I only engage enemies that I can beat, why would I engage a herd of heavies with a rifle? Maybe I make it look risk free.
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Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.12.09 04:27:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Another nerf to Nova Knives and Minmatar scout? Not really. I have learned to take a peak around corners without having to rely on the minimap.
Take another peak, I saw you coming a mile away in my Amarr Assault and I had my scrambler charged and loaded ready to pop you in between the eyes.
-sincerely 1.10
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Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.12.09 04:35:00 -
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Vitharr Foebane wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Vitharr Foebane wrote:xavier zor wrote:Operative 1174 Uuali wrote:
Scouting means actually moving to a forward point and remaining at a certain distance without being seen then looking at what you are scouting.
but who actually wants to play dust 514 with a badass scout suit to just look at something? you can still kill things you just have a bit of risk now... You act like scouts were risk fee. Since when was fighting 1600 EHP 900 DPS death machines in a 300-400 hp suit risk free? wait for target to turn around SG or KN in back ???? profit
That may work currently but this discussion is about 1.10 concerns. BTW- don't teach me how to use nova knives, i've been using them since the beginning of time, I'm pretty sure I have more experience than you.
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Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.12.09 04:47:00 -
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Vitharr Foebane wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:
That may work currently but this discussion is about 1.10 concerns. BTW- don't teach me how to use nova knives, i've been using them since the beginning of time, I'm pretty sure I have more experience than you.
As an Amarr specialist, I can guarantee you use them more then I do considering our scout is out run by assaults. All I'm saying is with the advent of 1.10 a cautious player has a chance now where previously they did not due to the magical ability to see which way a merc was facing THROUGH A FREAKING WALL.
You had just an equal ability to see through a freking wall.
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Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
1264
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Posted - 2014.12.09 12:31:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:For the love of god RP aside stop with the "Oh my suit is so weak becuze iz a murtar" you got so many inherent bonuses shoved up your ass it should be a crime to ***** about it. The only matar suit that could complain is maybe juuuuuust maybe your sentinel and that mostly because people RARELY whine about it. That's because the minsent is hands down the best assault suit in the game.
not with that hitbox of a tank... mine tanks close to 950 ehp, which is in the range of most advanced assaults.
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Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.12.09 12:35:00 -
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Mad Syringe wrote:Arrows are still there btw...
Thank god but CCP should really reconsider scouts. It isn't fair that scouts have to put damps on top of damps to get under a assault suit with like 3 precision. P.S. Assault suits have 2 extra slots over the scout suits so this only requires them to use one actual slot.
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Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
1264
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Posted - 2014.12.09 12:37:00 -
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Zindorak wrote:I really dont see why this is a problem and should be taken away. It's like removing the scope on the Rail Rifle; theres no reason to remove it.
At least they could make it so only heavies can be seen on tac net with arrows.
I would much rather prefer Scouts see arrows in tac net v.s. everything. In the end, it is a scout.
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