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Draden Brohiem
D3ATH CARD RUST415
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Posted - 2014.12.08 10:03:00 -
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Payouts are crap?! No long drawn out speech about how crap they are because you, the community, already know this. With bandwidth coming into the picture now running all my gear to make 400k will be impossible. Why do we get paid so low?
Would like the communities opinion on this. |
501st Headstrong
Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance
741
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Posted - 2014.12.08 10:35:00 -
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You're suppose to be running economy suits until you save up enough to run FW, then use less costly FW suits for PC, which is how you get rich. Running 400k suits (which don't exist) in a match is something you should never do unless you are in the Meat-grinder Gallente Research Facility. You should be running Quafe/ Starter-Fit/ Less than 10k Standard fits, speccing into Proficiency so that your Militia Gun becomes an Adv one. Make 5 mil a day, burn off around half that by running FW. Either AFK (But please don't), or use miltia in matches you think you'll lose. Use LP to conserve on the most expensive aspects of Proto, your gun and suit itself.
Find a way to PC, be it show your measure and mettle against good teams and then join their pc chat
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Waiting for SWBF
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
5683
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Posted - 2014.12.08 11:09:00 -
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He said making 400k. As in, in a match. Not 400k suit.
EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
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BL4CKST4R
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
3436
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Posted - 2014.12.08 13:00:00 -
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501st Headstrong wrote:You're suppose to be running economy suits until you save up enough to run FW, then use less costly FW suits for PC, which is how you get rich. Running 400k suits (which don't exist) in a match is something you should never do unless you are in the Meat-grinder Gallente Research Facility. You should be running Quafe/ Starter-Fit/ Less than 10k Standard fits, speccing into Proficiency so that your Militia Gun becomes an Adv one. Make 5 mil a day, burn off around half that by running FW. Either AFK (But please don't), or use miltia in matches you think you'll lose. Use LP to conserve on the most expensive aspects of Proto, your gun and suit itself.
Find a way to PC, be it show your measure and mettle against good teams and then join their pc chat
Not everybody has the time to pc, or the time to wait for the long ass fw wait times sometimes.
supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
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TooMany Names AlreadyTaken
Going for the gold
391
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Posted - 2014.12.08 19:19:00 -
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Draden Brohiem wrote:Payouts are crap?! No long drawn out speech about how crap they are because you, the community, already know this. With bandwidth coming into the picture now running all my gear to make 400k will be impossible. Why do we get paid so low?
Would like the communities opinion on this. NEWSFLASH:
I got 400k in a match recently, just kill, hack, and kill more. Easy.
My Paladin will hurt you. Very badly.
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shaman oga
Dead Man's Game
3390
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Posted - 2014.12.08 19:26:00 -
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I use suits which cost 45k isk average and i can still gain something at the end of the day, but i agree payout are too low.
Situational awareness also known as passive scan.
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Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance
1246
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Posted - 2014.12.08 21:12:00 -
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501st Headstrong wrote:You're suppose to be running economy suits until you save up enough to run FW, then use less costly FW suits for PC, which is how you get rich. Running 400k suits (which don't exist) in a match is something you should never do unless you are in the Meat-grinder Gallente Research Facility. You should be running Quafe/ Starter-Fit/ Less than 10k Standard fits, speccing into Proficiency so that your Militia Gun becomes an Adv one. Make 5 mil a day, burn off around half that by running FW. Either AFK (But please don't), or use miltia in matches you think you'll lose. Use LP to conserve on the most expensive aspects of Proto, your gun and suit itself.
Find a way to PC, be it show your measure and mettle against good teams and then join their pc chat
So prototype gear should only be available to players that do PC? Currently PC is F'ed up, onlyabout 10-20% of dust community do PC maybe even less. What about the other 80% run around in STD gear all day and pull out proto when stomping enemy?
Chocolate Juice
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roblox098
Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance
26
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Posted - 2014.12.08 21:52:00 -
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I agree, we are REBELS united, we will fight for higher wages, we are fighting for victory, sacrificing our lives for Caldari Prime Caldari and Amarr Are BOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!
Scout ck.0 and mk.0
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
6432
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Posted - 2014.12.08 21:55:00 -
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I think it depends on the suit.
I have a feeling some suits, like heavies, naturally are more cost effective than things like Logi suits, which may have more modules and EQ, and provide support for that heavy, but receive a fraction of the WP with more vulnerability.
So while some suits may be better payed given the role the play and the sacrifices the make, both in game and with ISK, others may be payed significantly less while providing no less towards a win.
Then you compound this with lower pay for losing, and suddenly there is no incentive to run anything other than a redline sniper when the game is obviously lost.
I lose a lot of ISK trying to hack things and being one of 4 or 5 people on the shared battlefield with 16 reds fanning out everywhere looking for a target...
Thunderbolt. verb and noun.
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Spademan
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
4912
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Posted - 2014.12.08 22:02:00 -
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Draden Brohiem wrote:Payouts are crap?! Is this a question or a statement?
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
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roblox098
Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance
26
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Posted - 2014.12.08 22:12:00 -
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Spademan wrote:Draden Brohiem wrote:Payouts are crap?! Is this a question or a statement? statement probably, u haz to agree payout are SHITTTTTTY
Scout ck.0 and mk.0
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IZI doro
Terminal Courtesy Proficiency V.
22
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Posted - 2014.12.09 04:54:00 -
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Draden Broheim wrote:Dust mercs are on minimum wage?!
You get a salary!? I want a salary too!!! I'm still getting paid by contracts and commissions. This temp agency stuff is getting old real quick too.
Just hold on until the "Daily Missions" rollout. From the looks of it, it will offer a much better incentive to clock in every day besides the "Daily Login" Bonu
Ignorance is only a problem when left untreated. Stop the spread of ignorance with a daily dose of knowledge!
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SgtMajSquish MLBJ
Consolidated Dust
229
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Posted - 2014.12.09 06:26:00 -
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Here is your solution short and sweet: Play cheaper and you wont worry about payouts
Pffft....... Proto Suits lol
Adv Omni Merc is the way to go
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Draden Brohiem
D3ATH CARD RUST415
15
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Posted - 2014.12.09 18:53:00 -
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SgtMajSquish MLBJ wrote:Here is your solution short and sweet: Play cheaper and you wont worry about payouts
What would be the point in playing at all?! I'm a tanker. Cheap to me is militia heavy suit, militia mods, and militia hmg in a 170k sica. If I go 7/12/1 with 2600 wp's running a sica with AT-1 missiles. Why am I barely breading even? I did my job like everyone else. I ran cheap. I took on blaster tanks that tried to overrun friendly positions, destroyed two, got destroyed by a rail tank, unloaded payloads on enemies pushing forward hence all the assist, and destroyed equipment from turrets turned red to enemy links with my flux grenades.
I got swarmed idk how many times, dealt 14th damage, and threw on my hardeners and rush areas with my tank even though I was being forged?! Why is the payouts overall so low? Logis get paid tons more for following a guy around?! They don't even have to drop equipment! I would appreciate seeing more ammo and links on the ground in strategic locations as I often have to bail and restock to fight on foot.
Assaults don't get paid crap for their primary role. No matter how many they kill, or what gear they wear. AV gets paid pretty decent for shooting at me all day lol! I don't think scouts get paid all that great either?! I'm only complaining to see what you guys think. Is there a better way forward?
When the game first started the payouts made sense because we were all new with cheap gear. Now we have all evolve! Why is the payouts the same? Also, for those who say do PC it's an isk sink?! We've been doing PC for quite some time, and even if we won every match we would be losing isk?!
I don't want to argue. I want fresh ideas. o7 |
Draden Brohiem
D3ATH CARD RUST415
15
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Posted - 2014.12.10 00:25:00 -
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501st Headstrong wrote:You're suppose to be running economy suits until you save up enough to run FW, then use less costly FW suits for PC, which is how you get rich. Running 400k suits (which don't exist) in a match is something you should never do unless you are in the Meat-grinder Gallente Research Facility. You should be running Quafe/ Starter-Fit/ Less than 10k Standard fits, speccing into Proficiency so that your Militia Gun becomes an Adv one. Make 5 mil a day, burn off around half that by running FW. Either AFK (But please don't), or use miltia in matches you think you'll lose. Use LP to conserve on the most expensive aspects of Proto, your gun and suit itself.
Find a way to PC, be it show your measure and mettle against good teams and then join their pc chat
Sorry, not 400k suits. I can make 400k isk a match if I respec to logi-wh*re, but I don't want to. I like my tanks! A cheap setup for your role may be different for me in my role. Cheap for me is a throw away militia suit, militia mods and weapons, and a sica with militia everything. With this the best I can do is give the other team points for an OB to drop on you
Most of my tanks that I run regularly are averaging between 170k-250k. For PC they're easily 500k. I refuse to run any tank over 250k in the pubs or factional unless absolutely necessary because if it burns so does that matches isk. I find myself too often throwing away sicas at a proto Ion cannon madruger just to keep him off the troops on the ground. I'll burn three tanks with ST-1's. We'll win because the madruger wasn't effective on the ground troops, but I won't make any money. Just for scenario sake read afore mentioned scenario in earlier post. |
SgtMajSquish MLBJ
Consolidated Dust
229
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Posted - 2014.12.10 02:29:00 -
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bringing in a vehicle is not playing cheap ever
Pffft....... Proto Suits lol
Adv Omni Merc is the way to go
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Thokk Nightshade
Montana Militia
721
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Posted - 2014.12.10 03:04:00 -
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From another thread on here. My thoughts on payouts:
Agree with the OP and the overall premise.
I don't necessarily agree that being in the bottom of the bracket should be NO ISK, but I think we can find a decent model. Here is something I've been kicking around for a while. Set it so each "position" on the board has a set ISK amount. Then use a multiplier with WP to come to a total figure.
1. 100 k 2. 95 k 3. 90 k 4. 85 k 5. 80 k 6. 75 k 7. 70 k 8. 60 k 9. 50 k 10 and below 25 k.
Then take the individual's WP's and multiply them by "x" and then multiply that with the total payout. For example, for an Ambush match, I'll use .0025 So I am on top of the board and I get 1500 WP in the match. We take 1500 X .0025 = 3.75. 3.75 X my first place payout of 100k = 375,000
2nd player gets 1100 WP. 1100x.0025 is 2.75 X 95k = 261250
If the top player goes apeshit and puts up 4000 WP or more, that is where we have some issues that need to be worked out.
We have 4000 x .0025 for 10 X 100k is 1 Million ISK. However, we are not seeing 4000 WP put up in Ambush (Normally). So what I would do is adjust the multiplier on the type of match. Ambush are the quickest so they will not have as high WP totals as a Dom or skirmish. So for Dom and Skirm, we change the multiplier to say .0015. 4000 WP * .0015 is 6 x 100k is a 600,000 ISK payout. Right in what I believe is a sweet spot. Not too ridiculous but enough to make it worth the person's while.
Those matches where you have one person putting up 6000 WP is still under a million (though, at 900K, is pretty damn close)
People who are AFK'ing are going to be sitting there making a total of 25k ISK (not worth it) and those trying to help the team will be rewarded. Even in the stomp-matches, those who have the most WP overall will be rewarded for the effort.
Any thoughts/comments?
Thokk Kill. Thokk Crush. Thokk Smash.
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sir RAVEN WING
Horizons' Edge Proficiency V.
1622
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Posted - 2014.12.10 03:45:00 -
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Thokk Nightshade wrote:From another thread on here. My thoughts on payouts:
Agree with the OP and the overall premise.
I don't necessarily agree that being in the bottom of the bracket should be NO ISK, but I think we can find a decent model. Here is something I've been kicking around for a while. Set it so each "position" on the board has a set ISK amount. Then use a multiplier with WP to come to a total figure.
1. 100 k 2. 95 k 3. 90 k 4. 85 k 5. 80 k 6. 75 k 7. 70 k 8. 60 k 9. 50 k 10 and below 25 k.
Then take the individual's WP's and multiply them by "x" and then multiply that with the total payout. For example, for an Ambush match, I'll use .0025 So I am on top of the board and I get 1500 WP in the match. We take 1500 X .0025 = 3.75. 3.75 X my first place payout of 100k = 375,000
2nd player gets 1100 WP. 1100x.0025 is 2.75 X 95k = 261250
If the top player goes apeshit and puts up 4000 WP or more, that is where we have some issues that need to be worked out.
We have 4000 x .0025 for 10 X 100k is 1 Million ISK. However, we are not seeing 4000 WP put up in Ambush (Normally). So what I would do is adjust the multiplier on the type of match. Ambush are the quickest so they will not have as high WP totals as a Dom or skirmish. So for Dom and Skirm, we change the multiplier to say .0015. 4000 WP * .0015 is 6 x 100k is a 600,000 ISK payout. Right in what I believe is a sweet spot. Not too ridiculous but enough to make it worth the person's while.
Those matches where you have one person putting up 6000 WP is still under a million (though, at 900K, is pretty damn close)
People who are AFK'ing are going to be sitting there making a total of 25k ISK (not worth it) and those trying to help the team will be rewarded. Even in the stomp-matches, those who have the most WP overall will be rewarded for the effort.
Any thoughts/comments? What about boosters?
Raven for CPM2
I use a Flaylol.
The silence, it's unbearable.
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Thokk Nightshade
Montana Militia
721
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Posted - 2014.12.10 03:53:00 -
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sir RAVEN WING wrote:Thokk Nightshade wrote:From another thread on here. My thoughts on payouts:
Agree with the OP and the overall premise.
I don't necessarily agree that being in the bottom of the bracket should be NO ISK, but I think we can find a decent model. Here is something I've been kicking around for a while. Set it so each "position" on the board has a set ISK amount. Then use a multiplier with WP to come to a total figure.
1. 100 k 2. 95 k 3. 90 k 4. 85 k 5. 80 k 6. 75 k 7. 70 k 8. 60 k 9. 50 k 10 and below 25 k.
Then take the individual's WP's and multiply them by "x" and then multiply that with the total payout. For example, for an Ambush match, I'll use .0025 So I am on top of the board and I get 1500 WP in the match. We take 1500 X .0025 = 3.75. 3.75 X my first place payout of 100k = 375,000
2nd player gets 1100 WP. 1100x.0025 is 2.75 X 95k = 261250
If the top player goes apeshit and puts up 4000 WP or more, that is where we have some issues that need to be worked out.
We have 4000 x .0025 for 10 X 100k is 1 Million ISK. However, we are not seeing 4000 WP put up in Ambush (Normally). So what I would do is adjust the multiplier on the type of match. Ambush are the quickest so they will not have as high WP totals as a Dom or skirmish. So for Dom and Skirm, we change the multiplier to say .0015. 4000 WP * .0015 is 6 x 100k is a 600,000 ISK payout. Right in what I believe is a sweet spot. Not too ridiculous but enough to make it worth the person's while.
Those matches where you have one person putting up 6000 WP is still under a million (though, at 900K, is pretty damn close)
People who are AFK'ing are going to be sitting there making a total of 25k ISK (not worth it) and those trying to help the team will be rewarded. Even in the stomp-matches, those who have the most WP overall will be rewarded for the effort.
Any thoughts/comments? What about boosters?
Boosters don't apply to WP, only SP. So I don't know how that would have any effect on it. Or are you talking about stat boosters? That will happen no matter what the payout system so we really can't do anything about them.
Thokk Kill. Thokk Crush. Thokk Smash.
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