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Dreis Shadowweaver
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
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Posted - 2014.12.07 00:46:00 -
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What I'm referring to are the scan changes, specifically medium frames being able to scan at 22.5 db within 4m (5m for logi) without mods. Will this even matter? atm my pub scout fit profile is not below 22.5 db. Do you think that being able to be scanned within 5m from my target is going to be a big issue that I'm going to need to use more damps to counter, or do you think that it'll be no big deal and I can just carry on as normal? o7
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Crimson ShieId
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
1556
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Posted - 2014.12.07 00:50:00 -
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Pfft. 5 meters? My Nova Knives have half that range! Seeing as CCP doesn't know what a meter is, I don't think it's going to matter. Scan range means nothing if they can give you a love tap with a pair of knives within your scan distance.
I want to punch.
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Hakyou Brutor
Titans of Phoenix
1777
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Posted - 2014.12.07 00:53:00 -
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Yes, if you want to be seen by nobody at an extremely close range.
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501st Headstrong
Capital Acquisitions LLC
General Tso's Alliance
740
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Posted - 2014.12.07 00:59:00 -
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Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:What I'm referring to are the scan changes, specifically medium frames being able to scan at 22.5 db within 4m (5m for logi) without mods. Will this even matter? atm my pub scout fit profile is not below 22.5 db. Do you think that being able to be scanned within 5m from my target is going to be a big issue that I'm going to need to use more damps to counter, or do you think that it'll be no big deal and I can just carry on as normal? o7
At least in 1.10, you'll be able to tell the Scan Profile of your suit
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.12.07 01:47:00 -
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Always run 2x damps.
Yeah, the range is short, but on logis they can use 1x Precision and 2x range to scan you at 10m.
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Dreis Shadowweaver
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
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Posted - 2014.12.07 02:35:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Always run 2x damps.
Yeah, the range is short, but on logis they can use 1x Precision and 2x range to scan you at 10m.
But 10m takes, like, just over a second for me to sprint. It's easy to shotgun or even knife someone that close. What I'm asking is will being scanned within 10m of my target actually pose a problem, or if they won't even be able to react fast enough. Or do you think it'll be such a big issue that I'll need to change my fit in response?
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First Prophet
Followers of The Prophet
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Posted - 2014.12.07 02:41:00 -
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Didn't you uninstall?
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Vulpes Dolosus
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
2656
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Posted - 2014.12.07 02:44:00 -
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Just for everyone's information: the farthest scan range possible with the innermost circle is just under 12m from a Cal scout (2x complex range amps) at a base scan of 18dB (all skills 5) (down to 14.4 with one complex precision).
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Dreis Shadowweaver
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
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Posted - 2014.12.07 02:45:00 -
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Reinstalled the next day; Dust is more addictive than crack lol
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
8575
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Posted - 2014.12.07 02:45:00 -
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Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:Always run 2x damps.
Yeah, the range is short, but on logis they can use 1x Precision and 2x range to scan you at 10m.
But 10m takes, like, just over a second for me to sprint. It's easy to shotgun or even knife someone that close. What I'm asking is will being scanned within 10m of my target actually pose a problem, or if they won't even be able to react fast enough. Or do you think it'll be such a big issue that I'll need to change my fit in response?
Lemme put it this way.
Yes, you can easily gank one or two dudes.
But whats gonna happen when theres a lot of people on an objective?
You get within 10m you pop up on scans. Then they can follow you. They know you're close.
You can't blap people around corners, etc. etc.
These changes will make it MUCH more difficult to engage groups, since they share scans. You can dodge those scans while cloaked though, allowing you to take advantage of their dependency on eWAR. A properly cloaked and damped scout can notice that people are getting close, and will cloak and hide rather than try to slay the group. Then they can move on a find an easier target, or perhaps remove equipment around the objective.
I really feel like we will be seeing less scouts flat out slaying groups of targets. If they want to do so without a cloak, they will NEED to run 3 damps. And that removes a lot of tanking power from them, making them easier to kill.
I'm actually pretty excited to see how the meta will change. Equipment change will be big. Since you can't spam, equipment will become more valuable, along with defending it. Scouts could have a very good role of being able to detect equipment with their powerful scans and eliminate them.
IMO, these changes will result in Med Frames running more eWAR to dodge long range scans and make it harder for a scout to be an all knowing god. They will have to use more wits and dampening to survive, taking down foes one at a time while using speed and dampening to remove uplinks, capture installations, and cause havoc where they can.
I hope so at least.
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Everything Dies
Santa is coming...FOR BLOOD
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Posted - 2014.12.07 02:53:00 -
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Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:Always run 2x damps.
Yeah, the range is short, but on logis they can use 1x Precision and 2x range to scan you at 10m.
But 10m takes, like, just over a second for me to sprint. It's easy to shotgun or even knife someone that close. What I'm asking is will being scanned within 10m of my target actually pose a problem, or if they won't even be able to react fast enough. Or do you think it'll be such a big issue that I'll need to change my fit in response?
I don't see it being much of a problem for speed-focused scouts that flank the enemy; where it might cause problems is if the enemy is above or below you and detects you before you can reach the same level and get off an attack. My guess is that we'll see some scouts shift to using longer-range weapons and employing hit-and-run tactics so that they can remain hidden.
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
2300
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Posted - 2014.12.07 04:14:00 -
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The only fits i have that dont have damps are my starting fits, sprint to city lay links, and my speedhacking fit.
Everthing else is damped up, i run three complex damps and ADV cloak on my minja, two complex damps on my gal.
Im so used to being squishy sometimes i go whole games with one or two kills if the team is competent cause i know any engagements
arent good for my health, also learning how to disengage. Which is an art by itself.
So yes. Damp tank that suit!
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Ace Boone
Capital Acquisitions LLC
539
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Posted - 2014.12.07 04:16:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Always run 2x damps.
Yeah, the range is short, but on logis they can use 1x Precision and 2x range to scan you at 10m.
If they're running that much eWar, they have zilch for eHP and I'll just shotgun them lololol my way on to the next ***.
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
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Posted - 2014.12.07 04:19:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:You can dodge those scans while cloaked though...
Not with some fittings.
Their stated intention was that its impossible to beat all scans even while cloaked.
I don't know how that will come into play per se, but unless we are at mid and long ranges (which should be most of the time) it will be very, and impossible with some suits, to beat all their scans.
I think one thing is for sure.
CCP will make a boatload on respecs...
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
EoN.
2439
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Posted - 2014.12.07 04:19:00 -
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I already have 3 dampeners on ADV and PRO Gal scouts. I won't be seen on passive.
I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
EoN.
2439
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Posted - 2014.12.07 04:28:00 -
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Ace Boone wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:Always run 2x damps.
Yeah, the range is short, but on logis they can use 1x Precision and 2x range to scan you at 10m.
If they're running that much eWar, they have zilch for eHP and I'll just shotgun them lololol my way on to the next ***.
A scout without enough eWar isn't a good scout at all.
I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
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Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
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Posted - 2014.12.07 05:26:00 -
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You're worried about that? If you got that close, chances are you'll be getting your shotgun/knives piercing his flesh before he knows it. |
Sinboto Simmons
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
6577
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Posted - 2014.12.08 00:08:00 -
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Damps 5, because scout before assaultscout.
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