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Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2014.12.05 18:20:00 -
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Interesting idea though like poster #2 stated, I'm concerned that because Logis typically have such horrifically bad shield HP, the benefit is very small when used by Logi which seems counterintuitive.
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Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2014.12.05 18:47:00 -
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Isa Lucifer wrote:I actually like the idea a lot. It would encourage shield based logis. Also it is a new spin on being a support class, giving part of your health to someone else, seems like the ultimate sacrifice.
Pokey Dravon; Well because most Logis are either Amarr or Gallente, who traditionally have lower shields than Caldari and Minmatar. With this new equipment, there would be more people playing Caldari and Minmatar Logi.
Ku Shala; thats what the shield transporter and current armor repairer does. He wanted to create something new, out-of-the-box.
Good idea Logi Bro. Plus 10 for originality.
Going to have to disagree with you on that, I think Gallente is underplayed and Minmatar is very popular because of the repair tool bonus.
And I think I see it as the exact opposite, shield Logis will be discouraged from using it because it completely knocks out their main line of defense. I know I certainty would not be using it as a Caldari Logi.
The idea is very interesting, I don't have an issue with the general concept of tethering to another unit to provide benefit, that in itself is neat. I think my main issue comes from the reduction of shield HP, particularly when a repair tool can provide substantial reps without affecting their defenses at all. Perhaps less downsides and then I'd consider it viable?
Also random sidebar thought, shield tool that decreases target's recharge delay by a % and increases their natural shield recharge rate by a %?
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Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2014.12.05 19:04:00 -
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Isa Lucifer wrote:Pokey Dravon; I have to agree on you with Minmatar logis. I see plenty of them, but then again plenty of Amarr and Galente. As we have no # to support ourselves, lets forget about that argument.
Maybe the person that tethers keeps their shields but looses the shield regeneration. This will make the person stop tethering to heal back up.
You-Śre sidebar throught; That might be more original for the shield transporter than a copy/paste of the repair tool.
Perhaps. I guess my point is.....if this is to be a shield alternative to armor repair tools, and if its going to have downsides, the upsides need to be equally as prominent. I mean while using a Repair Tool, your defenses are not hindered in any way, so if the Shield Tether is going to have hindered defenses, the benefit it provides needs to be greater than that of an armor repair tool. Am I making any sense lol? It's friday and I'm fried.
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Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2014.12.05 19:13:00 -
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Two Logis Tether Together.
Universe is Divided by Zero.
Mass Destruction Far Surpassing the EVE Gate Explosion.
Generations will look across the barren wastelands of New Eden.
Their homes, lives, everything they've ever loved completely destroyed.
Children will look up at the sky, tears of rage in their eyes, muttering the name of the man who brought about the worlds' ruin.
Logi Bro.
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Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2014.12.05 19:23:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Also random sidebar thought, shield tool that decreases target's recharge delay by a % and increases their natural shield recharge rate by a %? To be fair, that is basically what I am proposing, but also with increase of the target's shields at the expense of the logi's shields. The idea behind the loss of the logi's shields is to give the tool a weakness. If it were just a straight up buff, then every support logi under the sun would just equip the shield tether+repair tool, tether themselves, then take out the rep tool and keep repping. You could do that with what I proposed, but the logi is more exposed, thus more risk for more reward.
Well in this case it would be actively held like a Repair Tool, so you can't do both at once. Similar function to the repair tool but by a % increase rather than an absolute value like repair tools work.
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Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2014.12.05 19:38:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Two Logis Tether Together.
Universe is Divided by Zero.
Mass Destruction Far Surpassing the EVE Gate Explosion.
Generations will look across the barren wastelands of New Eden.
Their homes, lives, everything they've ever loved completely destroyed.
Children will look up at the sky, tears of rage in their eyes, muttering the name of the man who brought about the worlds' ruin.
Logi Bro. Or they would just exchange shield stats?  Also, to reply to the comment you made before this one, I understand the point you are making. It is a large detriment to the logi, while only a marginal increase if you were linked to a sentinel. But, in all fairness, is the rep tool really that powerful? The best tool + the Min logi bonus will still only give like 150/s (not actually 100% sure about that) while STD weapons do about 400 dps. With the rep tool, the logi is completely used up, he can't do anything but rep, and even with the best tool against STD weapons, he would at best be negating ~40% of the damage. With the shield tether, the targeted team-mate has a significantly lower downtime, even with an armor logi using the shield tether, +15/s will get you to full shields much faster, the targeted team-mate has more shields, and the logi isn't used up. he can pull out his weapon and shoot the enemy while still providing support on his team-mate. All that in exchange for the logi's shields seems fair to me.
The advantage that they can do something while tethered is a valid advantage over the repair tool, I'll give you that. I guess what has me spooked is the "lose all shields/recharge" aspect of it. I think I'd be more comfortable with a percent reduction + benefit? What if you tiered it in such a way that the advantage was the same but the penalty decreased as tiers go up?
Well regardless its certainly and intriguing idea, specifics aside.
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Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2014.12.05 20:16:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:
The advantage that they can do something while tethered is a valid advantage over the repair tool, I'll give you that. I guess what has me spooked is the "lose all shields/recharge" aspect of it. I think I'd be more comfortable with a percent reduction + benefit? What if you tiered it in such a way that the advantage was the same but the penalty decreased as tiers go up?
Well regardless its certainly and intriguing idea, specifics aside.
What if only the PRO tier gave 100% shields? You could use a MLT shield tether to give 25%, a STD to give 50%, and an ADV to give 75%. The logi can choose how much to sacrifice in order to benefit his team-mate. Armor logi's might use PRO because they don't care as much about shields, but shield logi's could use MLT, STD, or ADV to keep some of their own tank, and could still use the PRO if they chose to do so.
Maybe not those exact numbers, but something along that line would sit better with me personally.
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