DUST Search - How not to get your *ss kicked by the poli...Breach AR

Summa Militum wrote:

Nirwanda Vaughns wrote:

Summa Militum wrote:

Nirwanda Vaughns wrote:

BAR is pretty beasty upto about 70m tbh (with Op and SS 5) personally i'm happy to see it get the love it needed but with its current range it is slightly more powerful than it should be. if the max range was about 50m it'd help balance it out as a CQC weapon whereas atm its still kinda outclassing all the other variations because of the high damage and equivalent range of the standard AR variants. on the GalAss its an amazing weapon especially with proto suit skills too.

Beastly up to 70 meters? I don't think so. Since I have been playing this game I have been using the Assault Rifle about 99% of the time and the majority of that time it was the Breach Assault Rifle I have been using. I have plenty of experience with this weapon.

If you get taken out at 70 meters by a Breach Assault Rifle you most likely had several people firing at you that assisted in you dying.

no i mean i'm killing people at 70m pretty easily with it, for whats supposed to be a CQC weapon anyways. i've had plenty experience myself (2 n half years) but it seems more accurate (scoped) than say my CR/ACR (both rifles at lv5 Operation and SS) at similar ranges which is slightly broken. hip fire range is fine but the scoped range needs bringing down a bit

The people you are killing at such far range with the Breach Assault Rifle might just be really crappy players who do not know how to create a decent dropsuit. We should not be trying to get weapons all changed up just so we can compensate those who don't know what they are doing; those people can learn.

Take me for example. The Kaalakiota Rail Rifle is my kryptonite. I get killed by the Rail Rifle more than I get killed by any other gun but I don't go around saying they should nerf the Rail Rifle; I learned to run away from that damn thing and find safety.

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LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 1046	Posted - 2014.12.06 17:02:00 - [31] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: 20m optimal on a weapon that is only slightly better than other rifles. Yup, you guys are going to kill the weapon and turn it back into useless, GG. Let me paint you a picture. The Breach AR has practically the same stats as the Duvolle in almost every way. >Except for hip fire accuracy and alpha damage. The better hip fire accuracy means that the thing is deadly accurate unlike the Duvolle, and the Alpha damage gives it another advantage in certain types of engagements. Nerfing the rifle to HALF of its current optimal range would kill it. Unless... It was retardedly good at what it is supposed to so, breaching. Raise the damage by ~5 for every 10 meters taken off. Keep allelse the same. And Cat Merc, do you think that under normal gameplay circumstamces, where do you think the breach outperforms the AR? Official QuafeGäó Advocate Anti-FoTM Prof. V Forum Scavenger Prof. V
Nirwanda Vaughns 1027	Posted - 2014.12.06 17:30:00 - [32] - Quote BAR is pretty beasty upto about 70m tbh (with Op and SS 5) personally i'm happy to see it get the love it needed but with its current range it is slightly more powerful than it should be. if the max range was about 50m it'd help balance it out as a CQC weapon whereas atm its still kinda outclassing all the other variations because of the high damage and equivalent range of the standard AR variants. on the GalAss its an amazing weapon especially with proto suit skills too. Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience proud C-II bpo owner
Mex-0 211	Posted - 2014.12.06 17:34:00 - [33] - Quote ....Or just wait for CCP to nerf the living daylights out of it yet again. Meh, I give up on FW.
Nirwanda Vaughns 1027	Posted - 2014.12.06 17:37:00 - [34] - Quote Mex-0 wrote: ....Or just wait for CCP to nerf the living daylights out of it yet again. yup :( which is sad because the only thing making it 'OP' is just the range. bring that down to a more reasonable CQC range and its fixed. knowing CCP it'll get its damage dropped by 90%, clip size made to about 8 and its range 15m cos all the whiners Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience proud C-II bpo owner
Summa Militum Hidd3n Dragon 109	Posted - 2014.12.06 17:42:00 - [35] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: Atiim wrote: LUGMOS wrote: 40-45 meter optimal? CQC? Tell me, what is the range of the CR, a medium range rifle? 67m. Hmm... I still stick to my idea that breach SHOULD be >20m... Is that a joke?
Summa Militum Hidd3n Dragon 109	Posted - 2014.12.06 17:52:00 - [36] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: BAR is pretty beasty upto about 70m tbh (with Op and SS 5) personally i'm happy to see it get the love it needed but with its current range it is slightly more powerful than it should be. if the max range was about 50m it'd help balance it out as a CQC weapon whereas atm its still kinda outclassing all the other variations because of the high damage and equivalent range of the standard AR variants. on the GalAss its an amazing weapon especially with proto suit skills too. Beastly up to 70 meters? I don't think so. Since I have been playing this game I have been using the Assault Rifle about 99% of the time and the majority of that time it was the Breach Assault Rifle I have been using. I have plenty of experience with this weapon. If you get taken out at 70 meters by a Breach Assault Rifle you most likely had several people firing at you that assisted in you dying.
Nirwanda Vaughns 1027	Posted - 2014.12.06 18:16:00 - [37] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: BAR is pretty beasty upto about 70m tbh (with Op and SS 5) personally i'm happy to see it get the love it needed but with its current range it is slightly more powerful than it should be. if the max range was about 50m it'd help balance it out as a CQC weapon whereas atm its still kinda outclassing all the other variations because of the high damage and equivalent range of the standard AR variants. on the GalAss its an amazing weapon especially with proto suit skills too. Beastly up to 70 meters? I don't think so. Since I have been playing this game I have been using the Assault Rifle about 99% of the time and the majority of that time it was the Breach Assault Rifle I have been using. I have plenty of experience with this weapon. If you get taken out at 70 meters by a Breach Assault Rifle you most likely had several people firing at you that assisted in you dying. no i mean i'm killing people at 70m pretty easily with it, for whats supposed to be a CQC weapon anyways. i've had plenty experience myself (2 n half years) but it seems more accurate (scoped) than say my CR/ACR (both rifles at lv5 Operation and SS) at similar ranges which is slightly broken. hip fire range is fine but the scoped range needs bringing down a bit Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience proud C-II bpo owner
Meisterjager Jagermeister Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 541	Posted - 2014.12.06 18:27:00 - [38] - Quote I have dropped many opponents with BrAR at more than 60m. They were always out in the open without nearby cover allowing me the opportunity to RELOAD because I couldn't get it done with one clip at that distance. AKA - StarVenger
Meisterjager Jagermeister Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 543	Posted - 2014.12.06 18:31:00 - [39] - Quote Lloyd Orfay wrote: The breach AR has more than 40-45m range..... It's effective range is 74m. The 40-45 if optimal range. After that distance every shot loses dps the farther out it goes. After 74m there is no damage. I have never had a BrAR kill at 70m or more. If the distance is longer than 65m I move in closer or move on. AKA - StarVenger
Summa Militum Hidd3n Dragon 110	Posted - 2014.12.06 18:45:00 - [40] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: Summa Militum wrote: Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: BAR is pretty beasty upto about 70m tbh (with Op and SS 5) personally i'm happy to see it get the love it needed but with its current range it is slightly more powerful than it should be. if the max range was about 50m it'd help balance it out as a CQC weapon whereas atm its still kinda outclassing all the other variations because of the high damage and equivalent range of the standard AR variants. on the GalAss its an amazing weapon especially with proto suit skills too. Beastly up to 70 meters? I don't think so. Since I have been playing this game I have been using the Assault Rifle about 99% of the time and the majority of that time it was the Breach Assault Rifle I have been using. I have plenty of experience with this weapon. If you get taken out at 70 meters by a Breach Assault Rifle you most likely had several people firing at you that assisted in you dying. no i mean i'm killing people at 70m pretty easily with it, for whats supposed to be a CQC weapon anyways. i've had plenty experience myself (2 n half years) but it seems more accurate (scoped) than say my CR/ACR (both rifles at lv5 Operation and SS) at similar ranges which is slightly broken. hip fire range is fine but the scoped range needs bringing down a bit The people you are killing at such far range with the Breach Assault Rifle might just be really crappy players who do not know how to create a decent dropsuit. We should not be trying to get weapons all changed up just so we can compensate those who don't know what they are doing; those people can learn. Take me for example. The Kaalakiota Rail Rifle is my kryptonite. I get killed by the Rail Rifle more than I get killed by any other gun but I don't go around saying they should nerf the Rail Rifle; I learned to run away from that damn thing and find safety.

Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 8560	Posted - 2014.12.06 20:14:00 - [41] - Quote Atiim wrote: LUGMOS wrote: 40-45 meter optimal? CQC? Tell me, what is the range of the CR, a medium range rifle? 67m. Gun really shines at that range. You trash every AR suit in that range, and most scramblers as well (Since most ScR users don't know how to space and place shots. They just spam it like crazy.) Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
Nirwanda Vaughns 1028	Posted - 2014.12.06 20:34:00 - [42] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: Summa Militum wrote: Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: BAR is pretty beasty upto about 70m tbh (with Op and SS 5) personally i'm happy to see it get the love it needed but with its current range it is slightly more powerful than it should be. if the max range was about 50m it'd help balance it out as a CQC weapon whereas atm its still kinda outclassing all the other variations because of the high damage and equivalent range of the standard AR variants. on the GalAss its an amazing weapon especially with proto suit skills too. Beastly up to 70 meters? I don't think so. Since I have been playing this game I have been using the Assault Rifle about 99% of the time and the majority of that time it was the Breach Assault Rifle I have been using. I have plenty of experience with this weapon. If you get taken out at 70 meters by a Breach Assault Rifle you most likely had several people firing at you that assisted in you dying. no i mean i'm killing people at 70m pretty easily with it, for whats supposed to be a CQC weapon anyways. i've had plenty experience myself (2 n half years) but it seems more accurate (scoped) than say my CR/ACR (both rifles at lv5 Operation and SS) at similar ranges which is slightly broken. hip fire range is fine but the scoped range needs bringing down a bit The people you are killing at such far range with the Breach Assault Rifle might just be really crappy players who do not know how to create a decent dropsuit. We should not be trying to get weapons all changed up just so we can compensate those who don't know what they are doing; those people can learn. Take me for example. The Kaalakiota Rail Rifle is my kryptonite. I get killed by the Rail Rifle more than I get killed by any other gun but I don't go around saying they should nerf the Rail Rifle; I learned to run away from that damn thing and find safety. they vary in suit levels and things but its still pretty easy. the BAR shouldn't be hitting that far out though, i've wanted the BAR buffed for over a year and its finally gotten into a position of being competetive in CQC that it should be but the range does need bringing down in order for more balance. the RR should have its original spool up time given back though and the kick while scoped needs reducing. the hip fire kick now is fine but when scoped its a little excessive for a rifle thats supposed to be long range. a weapon that needs some serious looking at is the LR. before it used ot be pretty useless under 30m but now i'm being killed rather quickly at ranges between 5-15m since the last changes. in its original form it had a unique role of mid-long range suppression weapon whereas now ther eisn't much of a downside to it as if someone sneaks up on you (as with sniping) its pretty effective closer range instea dof having to keep a sidearm handy for CQC. also its damage vs armour is still pretty stupid. with the damage buildup bonus it just negates the penalty to armour and cuts through even armour tanked heavies pretty easily Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience proud C-II bpo owner
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3035	Posted - 2014.12.07 06:09:00 - [43] - Quote Step 1: Equip Breach AR Step 2: Use superior gun game to win all encounters Step 3: ??? Step 4: Profit "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3035	Posted - 2014.12.07 06:10:00 - [44] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Atiim wrote: LUGMOS wrote: 40-45 meter optimal? CQC? Tell me, what is the range of the CR, a medium range rifle? 67m. Gun really shines at that range. You trash every AR suit in that range, and most scramblers as well (Since most ScR users don't know how to space and place shots. They just spam it like crazy.) Its best at around 30 meters, cause then you can place all shots while hip firing, and can strafe too. AR works everywhere under 70 meters cause i has 0 kick. "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.


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