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Luna McDuffing
COALICION LATINA Smart Deploy
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Posted - 2014.12.05 16:13:00 -
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I've always hated the mas driver since the day I started playing dust. It seems that the people that use it simply can't miss or that my suit has a magnet for their ammo. Anyway, I decided to skill up into the minmatar commando suit just to try something different but, mostly to have a suit with higher ehp. In hindsight maybe I should had skilled into the minmatar assault but since I already have 2 scouts it seemed redundant. Anyways, that is neither here nor there. The commando with some practice seems promising with its close to 800ehp and that combat rifle damage bonus (me like that part). So, I decided to put a mass driver as a secondary. I like the fear factor it instill. You shoot two or 3 rounds of that thing and people scramble like chickens with their heads cut off. This I like. What I don't like is that I can't seem to hit the side of a barn with this thing or at least not kill people with it. Granted it is at level 1. I think I killed two guys a day ago with one shot but, that was unintentional. I was just trying to destroy some links and all of a sudden two people died. Had I planned it I would had not killed them . SSooooooo, what is the trick to using this thing? i keep hearing from people that use it that it is the best thing since sliced bread. I see it as a very promising weapon but, I wonder if I would be better of with something else like say a shotgun or even a breach AR to complement armor and shield damage. Still combat rifle with mass drive combo seems good if only I could use the darn thing. |
Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides Learning Alliance
5326
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Posted - 2014.12.05 16:18:00 -
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If your target is standing next to the broad side of a barn... aim for the barn, and hope that you were exaggerating how bad your aim was.
Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
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sir RAVEN WING
Horizons' Edge Proficiency V.
1216
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Posted - 2014.12.05 16:19:00 -
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I'd call it a 'Weapon of Fear' and it has a reason to be feared, if that thing comes to close to your feet you have no chance. Try the EX0-5 Mass Driver, mid range, fire at few or if longer ranges try to predict how much gravity will affect it.
That's all I have. Good Luck.
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TechMechMeds
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
6326
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Posted - 2014.12.05 16:19:00 -
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Aim roughly where the enemy is and you'll win.
Stick damage mods on with the assault variant for beast mode.
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LUGMOS
YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE
1034
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Posted - 2014.12.05 16:22:00 -
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In what way are you trying to hit them? Direct hits? Splash?
Because if you're going for directs, you're doing it a bit wrong. Aim for their feet and hit them with the splash damage. Also, treat it as a secondary, or finish people off that are trying to go around a corner or are hiding. Its a good finisher if you can pull it off right.
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Grimmiers
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Posted - 2014.12.05 16:26:00 -
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The lines on the crosshair show how high you need to aim for your round to hit between 0~50 meters. So if you aim at an enemy and he's 30m away you line it up with the 3rd line down and fire away. Eventually you will become so used to it you won't need the guides.
Carry a flux grenade and you're sidearm of choice either depends on if you want to spray down a weakened target after running out of ammo, or using it before finishing them off with the md. |
robin williams' ghost
Damaged Beyond Repair
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Posted - 2014.12.05 16:28:00 -
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Get more skill into it. The basic sucks and some proficiency is nice. Use a damage mod and try the assault version. Low damage, yes, but high rate of fire, larger clip and enormous blast radius. You won't be able to miss. |
Leadfoot10
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.12.05 16:32:00 -
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The slowness of the commando is stopping you from using the suit's speed to hit follow up shots -- so when they scatter like chickens, as you describe, they typically get away.
However, if you were in a faster suit -- like a scout or the aforementioned Min Assault -- they would not be able to escape as easily with your ability to move in for the follow-up killing shots. Another alternative that utilizes the commando suit you have is to get some height on your target such that when you engage them, they cannot flee fast enough to escape the commando up high -- but really the best slayers I see with a MD use it in a speed suit as described above.
Otherwise it's more of an area denial weapon and kill assist machine rather than a killer.
Hope this helps...Leadfoot |
robin williams' ghost
Damaged Beyond Repair
186
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Posted - 2014.12.05 16:35:00 -
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Idk I would stick to the minmando md/cr rifle set-up for the bonus and just add a kin cat or two for speed. |
LUGMOS
YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE
1034
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Posted - 2014.12.05 16:36:00 -
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I personally don't like the Mass driver only for its lack of ammo...
Like to three clips? It already takes 4-6 shots to kill anything. What's more, it eats nanos as snacks...
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robin williams' ghost
Damaged Beyond Repair
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Posted - 2014.12.05 16:37:00 -
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Just learn to lead them as they run. It won't take many hits to bring down the fast suits anyways |
Bright Cloud
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
615
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Posted - 2014.12.05 16:38:00 -
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Shot at the feet and throw a flux grenade before if you can.
Bright is the opposite of dark! Who would have thought of that?!
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robin williams' ghost
Damaged Beyond Repair
186
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Posted - 2014.12.05 16:39:00 -
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LUGMOS wrote:I personally don't like the Mass driver only for its lack of ammo...
Like to three clips? It already takes 4-6 shots to kill anything. What's more, it eats nanos as snacks... I run with an ishukone gaged I believe it is. You can carry 4 of them and as long as the blue dots don't try to steal em you will have plenty of ammo |
Bethhy
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2014.12.05 16:40:00 -
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Grimmiers wrote:The lines on the crosshair show how high you need to aim for your round to hit between 0~50 meters. So if you aim at an enemy and he's 30m away you line it up with the 3rd line down and fire away. Eventually you will become so used to it you won't need the guides.
Carry a flux grenade and you're sidearm of choice either depends on if you want to spray down a weakened target after running out of ammo, or using it before finishing them off with the md.
Pretty much this.
You will find every once and a while your mass driver will be broken... aka you shoot bullets directly on target and they take minimal to no damage... Or feel like your shooting blanks.. At this time it's best to restart the game and try again. |
Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
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Posted - 2014.12.05 16:43:00 -
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Luna McDuffing wrote:I've always hated the mas driver since the day I started playing dust. It seems that the people that use it simply can't miss or that my suit has a magnet for their ammo. Anyway, I decided to skill up into the minmatar commando suit just to try something different but, mostly to have a suit with higher ehp. In hindsight maybe I should had skilled into the minmatar assault but since I already have 2 scouts it seemed redundant. Anyways, that is neither here nor there. The commando with some practice seems promising with its close to 800ehp and that combat rifle damage bonus (me like that part). So, I decided to put a mass driver as a secondary. I like the fear factor it instill. You shoot two or 3 rounds of that thing and people scramble like chickens with their heads cut off. This I like. What I don't like is that I can't seem to hit the side of a barn with this thing or at least not kill people with it. Granted it is at level 1. I think I killed two guys a day ago with one shot but, that was unintentional. I was just trying to destroy some links and all of a sudden two people died. Had I planned it I would had not killed them . SSooooooo, what is the trick to using this thing? i keep hearing from people that use it that it is the best thing since sliced bread. I see it as a very promising weapon but, I wonder if I would be better of with something else like say a shotgun or even a breach AR to complement armor and shield damage. Still combat rifle with mass drive combo seems good if only I could use the darn thing. shot things till you see a +50
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SILENT GIANT
FATHERS-AND-SONS
190
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Posted - 2014.12.05 16:43:00 -
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I have been using the MD on my commando a lot more recently and have found its best used in those huge tight gunfights around an objective. Aim for feet like everyone has said and you can clean out an area very effectively. The commandos speed at that point doesn't matter since your in a tight area with everyone else you get lost in the crowd and the people trying to take spot with you are willing to die to take it over so no use in running away anyway. |
Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides Learning Alliance
5336
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Posted - 2014.12.05 16:45:00 -
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I will elaborate on my earlier post, as you probably wonGÇÖt GÇ£getGÇ¥ it until you have learned how to use the thing. Now, I have not used the Mass Driver since the Open Beta, but I think the technique is probably still the same.
First, get a few more levels of Operation skill to widen the blast radius.
DonGÇÖt aim for your target. If your target is standing next to a wall, try to hit the wall near your target to catch them in the splash. Tight hallways are good because of the limited space you can hit the floor, wall, or ceiling and still catch them in the splash.
If they are running across open ground it is more tricky as you are trying to hit the ground at their feet. Miss a little bit and you hit the ground 10m behind them and the take no damage, or 10m in front of them and only you take damage.
If they get close, try to hit the ground behind them. You want the impact to be far enough away so that you are not caught in the splash, but close enough so your target is caught in the splash.
It is easier to use in fairly close quarters, as you donGÇÖt have to worry as much about the arc, but you will often catch yourself in the edge of the blast radius when working up close. Good thing the Commando has some decent health. (I always thought that Bojo was ballsy to use the Mass Driver on a Scout suit.)
Shooting a Nova Knifer in the chest is VERY satisfying, even if it is VERY suicidal.
Hitting targets at range is very tricky, and is the mark of a truly skilled Mass Driver user. That blast radius may sound big, but calculating the arc when you lob your shot, to have it land anywhere close to your target, takes a knack that is only gotten through practice. Someone who uses it more may be able to tell you which tick on the radical lines up with which range.
Firing down from elevation is much easier as you donGÇÖt have to deal with the Arc as much, and you are much more likely to hit the ground near your target when shooting down than when shooting horizontally.
() <= The ground area you are trying to hit as you see it when you are on the ground. (Ok, it is hard to draw an ellipse with text.) O <= The ground area you are trying to hit as you see it from the top of a building. (The O was the biggest circle I could make.) Anyway the point is that since you are targeting a circle on the ground with your enemy in the middle of it, that circle will look like a tight ellipse when viewed from a nearly horizontal perspective, but will be closer to a full circle when viewed from above.
Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
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bolsh lee
Ahrendee Mercenaries
1071
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Posted - 2014.12.05 16:48:00 -
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Tachypsychia - A Dust514 MD Montage
Dust514 - Mass Driver Montage
RIP Massdriver oh how I loved the glory days...
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Bright Steel
Horizons' Edge Proficiency V.
482
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Posted - 2014.12.05 16:52:00 -
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Don't kill yourself.... Kill him
But on serious note: run sheild tank so you can withstand some splash damage for those akward moments when that guy gets to close....
Top 16 in every match.... I'm da best!!!!
He killed me... NNNEERRFFFFFF HHHIIIIMMM!!!!!!!!
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robin williams' ghost
Damaged Beyond Repair
188
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Posted - 2014.12.05 16:53:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:I will elaborate on my earlier post, as you probably wonGÇÖt GÇ£getGÇ¥ it until you have learned how to use the thing. Now, I have not used the Mass Driver since the Open Beta, but I think the technique is probably still the same.
First, get a few more levels of Operation skill to widen the blast radius.
DonGÇÖt aim for your target. If your target is standing next to a wall, try to hit the wall near your target to catch them in the splash. Tight hallways are good because of the limited space you can hit the floor, wall, or ceiling and still catch them in the splash.
If they are running across open ground it is more tricky as you are trying to hit the ground at their feet. Miss a little bit and you hit the ground 10m behind them and the take no damage, or 10m in front of them and only you take damage.
If they get close, try to hit the ground behind them. You want the impact to be far enough away so that you are not caught in the splash, but close enough so your target is caught in the splash.
It is easier to use in fairly close quarters, as you donGÇÖt have to worry as much about the arc, but you will often catch yourself in the edge of the blast radius when working up close. Good thing the Commando has some decent health. (I always thought that Bojo was ballsy to use the Mass Driver on a Scout suit.)
Shooting a Nova Knifer in the chest is VERY satisfying, even if it is VERY suicidal.
Hitting targets at range is very tricky, and is the mark of a truly skilled Mass Driver user. That blast radius may sound big, but calculating the arc when you lob your shot, to have it land anywhere close to your target, takes a knack that is only gotten through practice. Someone who uses it more may be able to tell you which tick on the radical lines up with which range.
Firing down from elevation is much easier as you donGÇÖt have to deal with the Arc as much, and you are much more likely to hit the ground near your target when shooting down than when shooting horizontally.
() <= The ground area you are trying to hit as you see it when you are on the ground. (Ok, it is hard to draw an ellipse with text.) O <= The ground area you are trying to hit as you see it from the top of a building. (The O was the biggest circle I could make.) Anyway the point is that since you are targeting a circle on the ground with your enemy in the middle of it, that circle will look like a tight ellipse when viewed from a nearly horizontal perspective, but will be closer to a full circle when viewed from above.
Holy wall of text Anyone get further than I will elaborate? |
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LUGMOS
YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE
1037
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Posted - 2014.12.05 16:55:00 -
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robin williams' ghost wrote:LUGMOS wrote:I personally don't like the Mass driver only for its lack of ammo...
Like to three clips? It already takes 4-6 shots to kill anything. What's more, it eats nanos as snacks... I run with an ishukone gaged I believe it is. You can carry 4 of them and as long as the blue dots don't try to steal em you will have plenty of ammo. Plus you still have your cr if you do run out 4???
Dam. Gotta get nano skills to 5. I only have it on 3.
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bolsh lee
Ahrendee Mercenaries
1072
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Posted - 2014.12.05 16:58:00 -
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Bethhy wrote: At this time it's best to restart the game and try again.
This may not of meant to be comical but I LOLed, leave it to Dust...
With that said, I think we need a MD buff campaign...
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides Learning Alliance
5339
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Posted - 2014.12.05 17:11:00 -
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robin williams' ghost wrote:Holy wall of text Anyone get further than I will elaborate? Oh don't give me that. I used correct capitalization, periods, and separated it into paragraphs. There are far worse walls of text out there.
Maybe some day I will take the time to format it all nice and pretty to make an official guide. But for now I was just writing down everything I remembered about the Mass Driver, and it turned out to be a lot more than I expected.
Besides, I am the guy that refuses to use Twitter because I feel it is draconian to restrict communication to 140 characters.
Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
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KING CHECKMATE
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
6107
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Posted - 2014.12.05 17:11:00 -
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Luna McDuffing wrote:I've always hated the mas driver since the day I started playing dust. It seems that the people that use it simply can't miss or that my suit has a magnet for their ammo. Anyway, I decided to skill up into the minmatar commando suit just to try something different but, mostly to have a suit with higher ehp. In hindsight maybe I should had skilled into the minmatar assault but since I already have 2 scouts it seemed redundant. Anyways, that is neither here nor there. The commando with some practice seems promising with its close to 800ehp and that combat rifle damage bonus (me like that part). So, I decided to put a mass driver as a secondary. I like the fear factor it instill. You shoot two or 3 rounds of that thing and people scramble like chickens with their heads cut off. This I like. What I don't like is that I can't seem to hit the side of a barn with this thing or at least not kill people with it. Granted it is at level 1. I think I killed two guys a day ago with one shot but, that was unintentional. I was just trying to destroy some links and all of a sudden two people died. Had I planned it I would had not killed them . Sooooooo, what is the trick to using this thing? i keep hearing from people that use it that it is the best thing since sliced bread. I see it as a very promising weapon but, I wonder if I would be better of with something else like say a shotgun or even a breach AR to complement armor and shield damage. Still combat rifle with mass drive combo seems good if only I could use the darn thing.
MinMando=
USe two fits: One with CR/ACR + MASS DRIVER other with CR/ACR + Swarms (depending on the Map)
Use good Armor Reps + At least 1 Shield Energizer
The mass driver is -20% against shields but +20% against armor. Use CR to take down shields and then MAss drive their armors' ass out...
If you are fighting Amarr or Gallente you might lead with Mass driver as they most of the time posses little shields. NEVER lead with Mass Driver vs Caldari Suits, Minmatar Heavies or TAnked Min Assaults.
Finally,While Fighting enemies at MEd/CLose Range, aim to the Knees. You are aiming for a DIRECT HIT (which causes more damage) but if you miss, the splash damage kicks in.
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Booby Tuesdays
Tuesdays With Boobies
1049
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Posted - 2014.12.05 17:20:00 -
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bolsh lee wrote:Bethhy wrote: At this time it's best to restart the game and try again.
This may not of meant to be comical but I LOLed, leave it to Dust... With that said, I think we need a MD buff campaign... Seconded. Although it will never happen as long as CCP keeps going off of their internal LAN party tests.
To the OP, stay in your redline for a match and try to get a feel for the drop off from short, mid, and long range. Pick a spot high up on the wall of a building and keep practicing trying to repeatedly hit it while moving. Do this for all object near and far from you.
The aiming reticule is for you to judge the drop off, but it is still tough to use. The bottom line of the reticule is where your round should land at long range, etc. NEVER aim down the sight with it. Hip fire is your friend. If anyone tells you it's a noob toob when you make a sick trick shot, promptly give them a proper mushroom stamp and ask them if they would like another!
Learn the Flux + MD combo, and avoid armor heavies 1v1. They gave them crazy resistance to my beloved MD.
Also, enjoy making Scouts ragdoll. Much joy is had from this.
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CrotchGrab 360
Yon Hyaku Nijuu Moyase
1616
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Posted - 2014.12.05 17:23:00 -
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ADV min assault
3 complex damage mods
EXO
hives
ferroscale plates
it's around 550 armour, still moves fast, packs a punch
that's the only viable fit I ever found for it.
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robin williams' ghost
Damaged Beyond Repair
188
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Posted - 2014.12.05 17:25:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:robin williams' ghost wrote:Holy wall of text Anyone get further than I will elaborate? Oh don't give me that. I used correct capitalization, periods, and separated it into paragraphs. There are far worse walls of text out there. Maybe some day I will take the time to format it all nice and pretty to make an official guide. But for now I was just writing down everything I remembered about the Mass Driver, and it turned out to be a lot more than I expected. Besides, I am the guy that refuses to use Twitter because I feel it is draconian to restrict communication to 140 characters. Fair enough, I withdraw my post. |
Nonoriri ko
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
18
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Posted - 2014.12.05 17:45:00 -
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No one really mentioned the different types of mass drivers. There are 3. High damage slow fire, medium, and low damage big aoe fast fire. Never use the medium it sucks.
The high damage you can treat like a shotgun. You can take down a heavy with 3 shots. Use this one with scout maybe cloak, get up close and aim at their backs. Useless to fire this from long range as it is slow to fire.
The high aoe low damage is best from long range. Being high above everyone else works best. Don't let someone get too close to you or you die. Logi works well with this one, carry nanos and shoot until you run out.
The big aoe has a special function. The splash damage works not just on the floor, but any space. This means you can shoot up, hit a ceiling, and splash damage hit the people up top. Or aim above the heads of people hiding behind something, letting the shot explode in the air above the container. The splash will still hit them. |
Twelve Guage
Death Firm.
322
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Posted - 2014.12.05 18:30:00 -
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Get use to the fact that there are invisible walls and just about all other guns can shoot through them. Your exploding grenade launcher however cannot. Also try to keep a watchful eye on your teammates nothing sucks worst then you beeing one shot a way from killing that red only to have your teammate step in front of you and help you kill yourself.
Death Firm's sandwich maker.
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