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Mobius Wyvern
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Posted - 2014.12.04 14:43:00 -
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I believe the APEX Dropsuits have shown that removing STD and ADV tier suits - and having the skill effect only the bonus applied to a single suit that you unlock with level 1 of the appropriate skill - would go a long way toward addressing the underlying balance issues in Dust.
Part of the idea here would be to apply some form of simple bonus to Basic Frame suits to make them a viable option while maintaining them as more Generalist, as Tech-1 ships are in EVE. What remains an important issue is that even though the Basic Frames are now cheaper, the lack of skill-affected bonus still makes them naturally inferior to Specialist suits, and basically just a stepping stone to get to those.
The Basic Frame skill level would also give a bonus to Specialist suits, meaning that someone that gets both skills to Level 5 will still have an advantage, but it won't be as extreme as it is now.
I say this as someone who regularly runs Assault ak.0 with 3x Complex Damage Mods and a Viziam Scrambler Rifle.
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Mobius Wyvern
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Posted - 2014.12.08 11:10:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:KA24DERT wrote:Am I understanding this correctly?
1) Delete STD from the game
2) Replace STD with ADV
3) Rename STD to Tech 1.
4) Keep STD gear price.
5) Rename Proto to Tech 2.
If so , +1. Wouldn't it be... remove all STD and ADV from the game and rename the basic frames as Tech I and leave the role bonus frames as Tech II? Possibly dropping a slot or two from the basic frame to balance price vs power. I'm not sure it makes sense to have a Tech I version of each specialist dropsuit type, as that really isn't how the progression was meant to be in the first place.
Yeah, you've got the right idea ZDub.
Also, liking the Trello card here and in the OP.
https://trello.com/c/xl1dqb6c/54-tiericide
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Mobius Wyvern
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Posted - 2014.12.15 13:03:00 -
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Foehammerr wrote:As far as pricing is concerned, specialist suits should be priced at advanced to still keep them accessible and tech 1 in between basic and ADV. This way both tiers remain cost effective while not devaluing tech 2 or keeping them price lock to the elite.
Yeah, price changes would obviously be necessary to prevent the game from becoming painful.
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Mobius Wyvern
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Posted - 2014.12.15 13:07:00 -
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Spectral Clone wrote:https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=183529&find=unread
I saw your thread, but as you pointed out you're looking at a first step toward Tiericide.
I'm keeping this one going in the hopes that once CCP does what you propose they might see their way to move all the way.
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Mobius Wyvern
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Posted - 2014.12.16 01:23:00 -
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Spectral Clone wrote:I think the idea above is a fix to the tiers, the step after would be to make basic frames a useful variant (with good bonuses), tiericide would then be complete.
Well the issue is that you would still have suits that are effectively just stepping stones to the better ones. The fitting ability you lose in exchange for trying to use lower-tier suits to be more cost effective still wouldn't be worth it.
We want to completely eliminate all forms of power creep from the game. Using a stacking bonus system and having a single suit that unlocks at level 1 of the skill puts everyone on an equal playing field as far as suits, and thus reduces the performance gap that currently exists, making the game more fun and balanced for everyone.
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