or... in a global rework of logistics suits and their bonuses, they remove the uplink bonuses entirely.

That sounds like a much better idea.

Anything that removes uplinks from the field is a good thing, uplinks have ruined the game for far too long.

There are some changes to the Amarr Logistic suit bonus that needs to be done to make it viable and competitive against other logis.

1) Make the uplink bonus still apply even if you die/change your suit at the depot. This is so obvious that many players think it already works this way..

2a) Give a BW 10% per lvl cost decrease on uplinks so an AmarrLogi, after dropping its 7 uplinks and switched to a support Logi with hives, reps and nanites, will still be able to use the nanos at least one at a time. Again, this bonus will apply even if you change your suit or die.

OR

2b) Increase its max BW. I prefer the other one as it'll only buff the purpose of the suit : dropping uplinks.

With these changes the AmarrLogi will finally be the best suit to drop uplinks (as it is supposed to be), and will still be useful as a "normal" support Logi after that. I also think that 1) should be a priority.

I think CalLogis have similar issues, but I think losing the bonus on a nanohive when you die/switch suit is less a problem than uplinks that you use WHEN you die.

2a) & 2b) could be addressed later when we'll see how BW actually work IG.

1) I'm not sure what you are saying here. One, the fact that the average idiot Dust player doesn't know how something works is no reason to change it. Second, If you switch from one Amarr logi suit to a different Amarr logi suit at a depot, the bonus doesn't change. It only changes (or is only supposed to, yes it's a little buggy sometimes) if you die or switch to a suit that is not an Amarr logi. So, which is your issue? Losing it on dying, or If you switch to a non-Amarr suit you want to keep the bonus?

If it's the second one, then no. The bonus should only apply if you are using an Amarr logi suit. It's not there so you can use the suit for 5 seconds to crap out some uplinks and then switch to another logi suit and take advantage of 2 bonuses at once. That would not be fair.

Otherwise I agree, it should not disappear when you die, that's stupid. It should only disappear if you spawn in another suit. It makes no sense that I can't take advantage of my own uplinks.


2) Amarr and Caldari logi's do get +4 to bandwidth for the suits. There's a typo in the patch notes they need to fix; the Min/GAl and Am/Cal numbers were reversed.

There are some changes to the Amarr Logistic suit bonus that needs to be done to make it viable and competitive against other logis.

1) Make the uplink bonus still apply even if you die/change your suit at the depot. This is so obvious that many players think it already works this way..

2a) Give a BW 10% per lvl cost decrease on uplinks so an AmarrLogi, after dropping its 7 uplinks and switched to a support Logi with hives, reps and nanites, will still be able to use the nanos at least one at a time. Again, this bonus will apply even if you change your suit or die.

OR

2b) Increase its max BW. I prefer the other one as it'll only buff the purpose of the suit : dropping uplinks.

With these changes the AmarrLogi will finally be the best suit to drop uplinks (as it is supposed to be), and will still be useful as a "normal" support Logi after that. I also think that 1) should be a priority.

I think CalLogis have similar issues, but I think losing the bonus on a nanohive when you die/switch suit is less a problem than uplinks that you use WHEN you die.

2a) & 2b) could be addressed later when we'll see how BW actually work IG.

i believe that both the caldari logi bonus and the amarr logi bonus should not go away, as long as you have the same suit, even if you die. if you switch suits, before or after you die, you should lose the bonus.

Absolutely. Sorry Sequal, but the way you want the logi bonus to work is not fair. You shouldn't be able to take advantage of the bonus of a suit you aren't using. If it did, I should be able to swap from an Amarr assault to my logi then and keep the bonus and burn people with LRs to my hearts content, or get a rep tool bonus for my Amarr logi after spending 30 sec in a min logi suit.

Dont you see how that's not workable? It also does make me question how dedicated to logistics you are as I'm not sure what map you think that you don't need a single logi on, not to mention you wanting the Amarr logi to work that way so you can throw out a bunch of super powered uplinks and then switch to a non-logi suit!

My apologies if I'm misrepresenting or misunderstanding your playstyle, but you sound an awful lot like someone who just wants to drop and forget some uplinks and then go slaying in another type of suit, That needs to disappear from this game.

You know there are some battles where there are enough rep/nano logis on the battlefield so that you don't need more, and some other where there're no one and you are absolutely needed ^^ Also in some map playing as a repper doesnt work if it's not a city map, it's a very situationnal playstyle.

You're right, I'm not a dedicated logi, I am an assault player first and my playstyle is based on assaulting everything! But I have everything a logi needs "protoed" because sometimes, as I just said, logis are really needed. My playstyle is similar to what you say (rush with kincats/reg amarr uplink fit, drop some in good spots, and switch to another suit depending on the map/team/situation). Sometimes I stick with an amarr logi fit all the game long if it's needed and I can be a really helpful logi this way.

You're exemple with other bonuses isn't right, because when I dropped the uplinks, I had the suit meant for it at that moment. Then if I want to drop other uplinks with an assault suit there will still be the bonus on my other uplinks, but not on the new ones. It's absolutely normal to lose it for the links you'll drop next, but not for the ones you dropped before.
So you don't actually keep the bonus, you just dont lose the one already applied to the uplinks already planted.

Don't you agree that after planting the uplinks the Amarr logi is absolutely useless with no more uplinks to provide?

Ok so the issue with this one is Instantaneous Usable SP. Think about it for a minute, take Commando. If that Commando maxes out his Suit, His modules, his core skills, his 2 weapons, and his equipment, he's going to arrive at a point where spending more SP will not gain him an additional advantage on the battlefield in a given moment because the only thing he has left to train is another suit, weapon, ect. At that point SP buys him flexibility but he he cannot use that flexibility in a given moment, it only allows him to change his suit/weapon, lose the benefit of of it, and gain something else. This is an effective SP cap for that class and is sort of an invisible limiter to prevent people from becoming too strong as their SP pool increases.

What you're suggesting effectively circumvents this limitation, by allowing you to maintain the SP benefit even when you switch classes. This would effectively mean that anyone who trains Amarr (or Caldari) logi would effectively be able to use significantly more SP than any other class, because the SP benefit would be maintained even after moving out of the class. This is essentially the same as saying "I was in a Commando suit but I switched to a Scout, so I should get to keep my 10% damage buff from the Commando while on my Scout". Do you see how this is unfair and problematic?

Active or not, it still offers benefit even after switching out of the suit, even if that benefit is not direct. I mean it would be completely pointless to ever run an Amarr Logi actively then because you could just drop your uplinks, keep the benefit, and switch to another suit to gain additional benefit. This would effectively make Amarr and Caldari Logis obsolete as there is zero incentive to stay in that suit once you deploy your equipment.

But I'm not here to bicker, just wanted to add my thoughts, so we'll agree to disagree.

Active or not, it still offers benefit even after switching out of the suit, even if that benefit is not direct. I mean it would be completely pointless to ever run an Amarr Logi actively then because you could just drop your uplinks, keep the benefit, and switch to another suit to gain additional benefit. This would effectively make Amarr and Caldari Logis obsolete as there is zero incentive to stay in that suit once you deploy your equipment.

But I'm not here to bicker, just wanted to add my thoughts, so we'll agree to disagree.

Well yeah it's true that it'll make the use of Amarr logi less interesting after he dropped its uplinks.. But you could still use it as a normal logi efficiently^^ If logis are needed tho!

SMH. He's not going to get it, Pokey, there's little point in trying to reason with him. This is my last post in this thread.

You get more WP because people will preferentially use the faster links and they theoretically last longer with the bonus to spawn count. Not that that really makes or breaks the argument about a fundamental problem you can't (or don't want to) see, Sequal.

Well that's a shame that you think so, you dont considerate everything I say and then answer the same thing again and again. I perfectly see what you think is a problem, but you don't care about my arguments that prove you that in this particular case it's not. (And btw, the spawn time is only halfed when you try to spawn on an uplink, it doesn't already appears halfed so it's not more attractive and doesn't fall faster. I said it just before^^)

Prove is a strong term.