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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
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Posted - 2014.12.04 14:39:00 -
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Sequal Rise wrote:There are some changes to the Amarr Logistic suit bonus that needs to be done to make it viable and competitive against other logis.
1) Make the uplink bonus still apply even if you die/change your suit at the depot. This is so obvious that many players think it already works this way..
2a) Give a BW 10% per lvl cost decrease on uplinks so an AmarrLogi, after dropping its 7 uplinks and switched to a support Logi with hives, reps and nanites, will still be able to use the nanos at least one at a time. Again, this bonus will apply even if you change your suit or die.
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2b) Increase its max BW. I prefer the other one as it'll only buff the purpose of the suit : dropping uplinks.
With these changes the AmarrLogi will finally be the best suit to drop uplinks (as it is supposed to be), and will still be useful as a "normal" support Logi after that. I also think that 1) should be a priority.
I think CalLogis have similar issues, but I think losing the bonus on a nanohive when you die/switch suit is less a problem than uplinks that you use WHEN you die.
2a) & 2b) could be addressed later when we'll see how BW actually work IG.
1) I'm not sure what you are saying here. One, the fact that the average idiot Dust player doesn't know how something works is no reason to change it. Second, If you switch from one Amarr logi suit to a different Amarr logi suit at a depot, the bonus doesn't change. It only changes (or is only supposed to, yes it's a little buggy sometimes) if you die or switch to a suit that is not an Amarr logi. So, which is your issue? Losing it on dying, or If you switch to a non-Amarr suit you want to keep the bonus?
If it's the second one, then no. The bonus should only apply if you are using an Amarr logi suit. It's not there so you can use the suit for 5 seconds to crap out some uplinks and then switch to another logi suit and take advantage of 2 bonuses at once. That would not be fair.
Otherwise I agree, it should not disappear when you die, that's stupid. It should only disappear if you spawn in another suit. It makes no sense that I can't take advantage of my own uplinks.
2) Amarr and Caldari logi's do get +4 to bandwidth for the suits. There's a typo in the patch notes they need to fix; the Min/GAl and Am/Cal numbers were reversed.
(The godfather of tactical logistics)
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
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Posted - 2014.12.05 04:38:00 -
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Dauth Jenkins wrote:Sequal Rise wrote:There are some changes to the Amarr Logistic suit bonus that needs to be done to make it viable and competitive against other logis.
1) Make the uplink bonus still apply even if you die/change your suit at the depot. This is so obvious that many players think it already works this way..
2a) Give a BW 10% per lvl cost decrease on uplinks so an AmarrLogi, after dropping its 7 uplinks and switched to a support Logi with hives, reps and nanites, will still be able to use the nanos at least one at a time. Again, this bonus will apply even if you change your suit or die.
OR
2b) Increase its max BW. I prefer the other one as it'll only buff the purpose of the suit : dropping uplinks.
With these changes the AmarrLogi will finally be the best suit to drop uplinks (as it is supposed to be), and will still be useful as a "normal" support Logi after that. I also think that 1) should be a priority.
I think CalLogis have similar issues, but I think losing the bonus on a nanohive when you die/switch suit is less a problem than uplinks that you use WHEN you die.
2a) & 2b) could be addressed later when we'll see how BW actually work IG. i believe that both the caldari logi bonus and the amarr logi bonus should not go away, as long as you have the same suit, even if you die. if you switch suits, before or after you die, you should lose the bonus.
Absolutely. Sorry Sequal, but the way you want the logi bonus to work is not fair. You shouldn't be able to take advantage of the bonus of a suit you aren't using. If it did, I should be able to swap from an Amarr assault to my logi then and keep the bonus and burn people with LRs to my hearts content, or get a rep tool bonus for my Amarr logi after spending 30 sec in a min logi suit.
Do you see how that's not workable? It also does make me question how dedicated to logistics you are as I'm not sure what map you think that you don't need a single logi on, not to mention you wanting the Amarr logi to work that way so you can throw out a bunch of super powered uplinks and then switch to a non-logi suit!
My apologies if I'm misrepresenting or misunderstanding your playstyle, but you sound an awful lot like someone who just wants to drop and forget some uplinks and then go slaying in another type of suit, That needs to disappear from this game.
(The godfather of tactical logistics)
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
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Posted - 2014.12.05 14:35:00 -
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Sequal Rise wrote:John Demonsbane wrote:Absolutely. Sorry Sequal, but the way you want the logi bonus to work is not fair. You shouldn't be able to take advantage of the bonus of a suit you aren't using. If it did, I should be able to swap from an Amarr assault to my logi then and keep the bonus and burn people with LRs to my hearts content, or get a rep tool bonus for my Amarr logi after spending 30 sec in a min logi suit.
Dont you see how that's not workable? It also does make me question how dedicated to logistics you are as I'm not sure what map you think that you don't need a single logi on, not to mention you wanting the Amarr logi to work that way so you can throw out a bunch of super powered uplinks and then switch to a non-logi suit!
My apologies if I'm misrepresenting or misunderstanding your playstyle, but you sound an awful lot like someone who just wants to drop and forget some uplinks and then go slaying in another type of suit, That needs to disappear from this game. You know there are some battles where there are enough rep/nano logis on the battlefield so that you don't need more, and some other where there're no one and you are absolutely needed ^^ Also in some map playing as a repper doesnt work if it's not a city map, it's a very situationnal playstyle. You're right, I'm not a dedicated logi, I am an assault player first and my playstyle is based on assaulting everything! But I have everything a logi needs "protoed" because sometimes, as I just said, logis are really needed. My playstyle is similar to what you say (rush with kincats/reg amarr uplink fit, drop some in good spots, and switch to another suit depending on the map/team/situation). Sometimes I stick with an amarr logi fit all the game long if it's needed and I can be a really helpful logi this way. You're exemple with other bonuses isn't right, because when I dropped the uplinks, I had the suit meant for it at that moment. Then if I want to drop other uplinks with an assault suit there will still be the bonus on my other uplinks, but not on the new ones. It's absolutely normal to lose it for the links you'll drop next, but not for the ones you dropped before. So you don't actually keep the bonus, you just dont lose the one already applied to the uplinks already planted. Don't you agree that after planting the uplinks the Amarr logi is absolutely useless with no more uplinks to provide?
No, as I have spent the majority of battles I have fought for well over the past year in an Amarr logi suit. There are suits that are better, like say the *coughopcough* Gallente scout but it's hardly useless unless I am way better a player than I think (doubtful).
And my example is absolutely right, because the uplinks you put out ARE STILL THERE when you switch suits, and you are still getting benefit from them!
I DONT still get a heat reduction on my LR when I switch out of my Amarr assault I DONT get a damage bonus to MD"s when I switch out of a Minmando I DONT get a damage resistance when I switch out of a Sentinel I DONT get a superpowered rep tool if I switch out of a Min logi (During all those times I was in the suit meant for it)
However, the way you want it,
You DO get superpowered uplinks You DO get your assault bonus
In what world, other than your own little personal kingdom where you get everything that benefits you regardless of it's effect on anyone else is that fair? (Hint: It's not)
What you are asking for is a special bonus for your particular way to play that nobody else gets. that's unfair by definition!
I get that you spent SP on it and want to use it. Guess what? I spent SP on my Amarr assault suits, Minmando suits, rep tools, and Sentinels too. But I don't get to carry over the bonuses to them, either.
(The godfather of tactical logistics)
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
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Posted - 2014.12.05 17:24:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Active or not, it still offers benefit even after switching out of the suit, even if that benefit is not direct. I mean it would be completely pointless to ever run an Amarr Logi actively then because you could just drop your uplinks, keep the benefit, and switch to another suit to gain additional benefit. This would effectively make Amarr and Caldari Logis obsolete as there is zero incentive to stay in that suit once you deploy your equipment.
But I'm not here to bicker, just wanted to add my thoughts, so we'll agree to disagree.
He's not going to get it, there's little point in trying to reason with him.
(The godfather of tactical logistics)
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
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Posted - 2014.12.05 18:37:00 -
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Sequal Rise wrote:John Demonsbane wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Active or not, it still offers benefit even after switching out of the suit, even if that benefit is not direct. I mean it would be completely pointless to ever run an Amarr Logi actively then because you could just drop your uplinks, keep the benefit, and switch to another suit to gain additional benefit. This would effectively make Amarr and Caldari Logis obsolete as there is zero incentive to stay in that suit once you deploy your equipment.
But I'm not here to bicker, just wanted to add my thoughts, so we'll agree to disagree. SMH. He's not going to get it, Pokey, there's little point in trying to reason with him. This is my last post in this thread. You get more WP because people will preferentially use the faster links and they theoretically last longer with the bonus to spawn count. Not that that really makes or breaks the argument about a fundamental problem you can't (or don't want to) see, Sequal. Well that's a shame that you think so, you dont considerate everything I say and then answer the same thing again and again. I perfectly see what you think is a problem, but you don't care about my arguments that prove you that in this particular case it's not. (And btw, the spawn time is only halfed when you try to spawn on an uplink, it doesn't already appears halfed so it's not more attractive and doesn't fall faster. I said it just before^^)
Prove is a strong term.
(The godfather of tactical logistics)
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