DUST Search - LAV AV Balance

Spkr4theDead wrote:

KenKaniff69 wrote:

Lately the talk of V vs AV has been starting to brew again.

As these discussions heat up I just wanted to present a simple idea that held true through prior builds pertaining to LAV's.

BPO/STD LAV's are meant to be cheap, fast transportation.

I personally think that the BPO/STD LAV's should be able to be popped in one STD AV grenade, one STD swarm volley, or one STD forge shot.

In Chromosome this was the way it worked and people who wanted to run others over were quickly countered by the ability of a person to equip a set of STD AV grenades.

1 STD packed AV grenade=1 MLT LAV

If you wanted your LAV to survive, you got a better one or tanked it.

Current the situation is quite odd when a MLT LAV takes TWO lai dai packed AV grenades to kill.

A STD/MLT LAV having close to 3000 hp is silly.

Return the numbers back to what we had in Chromosome when LAV's could even be popped by HMG's if they slowed for too long.

As far as specialized LAV's like the Saga II, Chary, Limbus, Scouts, they need to have an agility/hp combination to suit their roles.

As someone who didn't have very much experience with these I'll leave that to people who did.

You obviously don't have any experience at all. We have nothing above a STD LAV. Why should it get destroyed with one STD AV grenade? They used to be destroyed like that. AV grenades were far too powerful for being idiot-proof.

We obtained better cars, then everybody complained about it. Why? Because the remote mods were too clunky to use well enough.

*"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.

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KenKaniff69 Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2531	Posted - 2014.12.04 04:17:00 - [1] - Quote Lately the talk of V vs AV has been starting to brew again. As these discussions heat up I just wanted to present a simple idea that held true through prior builds pertaining to LAV's. BPO/STD LAV's are meant to be cheap, fast transportation. I personally think that the BPO/STD LAV's should be able to be popped in one STD AV grenade, one STD swarm volley, or one STD forge shot. In Chromosome this was the way it worked and people who wanted to run others over were quickly countered by the ability of a person to equip a set of STD AV grenades. 1 STD packed AV grenade=1 MLT LAV If you wanted your LAV to survive, you got a better one or tanked it. Current the situation is quite odd when a MLT LAV takes TWO lai dai packed AV grenades to kill. A STD/MLT LAV having close to 3000 hp is silly. Return the numbers back to what we had in Chromosome when LAV's could even be popped by HMG's if they slowed for too long. As far as specialized LAV's like the Saga II, Chary, Limbus, Scouts, they need to have an agility/hp combination to suit their roles. As someone who didn't have very much experience with these I'll leave that to people who did. ?
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1343	Posted - 2014.12.04 10:07:00 - [2] - Quote I think LAV/AV is fine with the exception of the hop and pop heavy or other slayer. Because, that's why.
Toobar Zoobar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 29	Posted - 2014.12.04 12:11:00 - [3] - Quote Yeah yeah make the lives of you AV trolls easier cause you don't have it easy enough already! One shot a LAV with a swarm?!? Hell No! Thats rediculous. LAVs suck enough as it is. Dust 514. A game about shooting people with super deadly sci-fi guns... and dancing.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 5628	Posted - 2014.12.04 13:08:00 - [4] - Quote Toobar Zoobar wrote: Yeah yeah make the lives of you AV trolls easier cause you don't have it easy enough already! One shot a LAV with a swarm?!? Hell No! Thats rediculous. LAVs suck enough as it is. LAVS on the move are harder to kill than a gunnlogi except under very specific circumstances. No I don't use swarms. That argument is invalid in the context of my statement. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Atiim Titans of Phoenix 14119	Posted - 2014.12.04 14:34:00 - [5] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Toobar Zoobar wrote: Yeah yeah make the lives of you AV trolls easier cause you don't have it easy enough already! One shot a LAV with a swarm?!? Hell No! Thats rediculous. LAVs suck enough as it is. LAVS on the move are harder to kill than a gunnlogi except under very specific circumstances. No I don't use swarms. That argument is invalid in the context of my statement. It's the same with Swarms. As long as there is any cover LAVs can easily drive around a corner fast enough to escape the volley. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2433	Posted - 2014.12.04 16:29:00 - [6] - Quote KenKaniff69 wrote: Lately the talk of V vs AV has been starting to brew again. As these discussions heat up I just wanted to present a simple idea that held true through prior builds pertaining to LAV's. BPO/STD LAV's are meant to be cheap, fast transportation. I personally think that the BPO/STD LAV's should be able to be popped in one STD AV grenade, one STD swarm volley, or one STD forge shot. In Chromosome this was the way it worked and people who wanted to run others over were quickly countered by the ability of a person to equip a set of STD AV grenades. 1 STD packed AV grenade=1 MLT LAV If you wanted your LAV to survive, you got a better one or tanked it. Current the situation is quite odd when a MLT LAV takes TWO lai dai packed AV grenades to kill. A STD/MLT LAV having close to 3000 hp is silly. Return the numbers back to what we had in Chromosome when LAV's could even be popped by HMG's if they slowed for too long. As far as specialized LAV's like the Saga II, Chary, Limbus, Scouts, they need to have an agility/hp combination to suit their roles. As someone who didn't have very much experience with these I'll leave that to people who did. You obviously don't have any experience at all. We have nothing above a STD LAV. Why should it get destroyed with one STD AV grenade? They used to be destroyed like that. AV grenades were far too powerful for being idiot-proof. We obtained better cars, then everybody complained about it. Why? Because the remote mods were too clunky to use well enough. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2433	Posted - 2014.12.04 16:31:00 - [7] - Quote Atiim wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Toobar Zoobar wrote: Yeah yeah make the lives of you AV trolls easier cause you don't have it easy enough already! One shot a LAV with a swarm?!? Hell No! Thats rediculous. LAVs suck enough as it is. LAVS on the move are harder to kill than a gunnlogi except under very specific circumstances. No I don't use swarms. That argument is invalid in the context of my statement. It's the same with Swarms. As long as there is any cover LAVs can easily drive around a corner fast enough to escape the volley. No, they go around two corners to still hit you and destroy your vehicle. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Atiim Titans of Phoenix 14120	Posted - 2014.12.04 16:35:00 - [8] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Toobar Zoobar wrote: Yeah yeah make the lives of you AV trolls easier cause you don't have it easy enough already! One shot a LAV with a swarm?!? Hell No! Thats rediculous. LAVs suck enough as it is. LAVS on the move are harder to kill than a gunnlogi except under very specific circumstances. No I don't use swarms. That argument is invalid in the context of my statement. It's the same with Swarms. As long as there is any cover LAVs can easily drive around a corner fast enough to escape the volley. No, they go around two corners to still hit you and destroy your vehicle. That's probably because you're a terrible Pilot who doesn't know how to use cover. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
KenKaniff69 Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2532	Posted - 2014.12.04 17:07:00 - [9] - Quote Clearly some people aren't getting the point here. All I'm saying is that one AV grenade should kill one MLT/BPO LAV regardless of race. Beyond that LAV's should be as durable as need be to fit their role. ?
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2433	Posted - 2014.12.04 17:40:00 - [10] - Quote Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Toobar Zoobar wrote: Yeah yeah make the lives of you AV trolls easier cause you don't have it easy enough already! One shot a LAV with a swarm?!? Hell No! Thats rediculous. LAVs suck enough as it is. LAVS on the move are harder to kill than a gunnlogi except under very specific circumstances. No I don't use swarms. That argument is invalid in the context of my statement. It's the same with Swarms. As long as there is any cover LAVs can easily drive around a corner fast enough to escape the volley. No, they go around two corners to still hit you and destroy your vehicle. That's probably because you're a terrible Pilot who doesn't know how to use cover. Says the guy that jumps out of his terrible tank to use AV because he can't take out a tank otherwise. This guy calling me a bad pilot... I have a lot of experience in tanks. You need the idiot-proof auto-aim to do anything against a vehicle. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim

Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2433	Posted - 2014.12.04 17:41:00 - [11] - Quote KenKaniff69 wrote: Clearly some people aren't getting the point here. All I'm saying is that one AV grenade should kill one MLT/BPO LAV regardless of race. Beyond that LAV's should be as durable as need be to fit their role. Still a terrible idea. You obviously don't drive any vehicles at all. You know not of which you speak. STD LAVs have the same HP as MLT and BPO. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 2651	Posted - 2014.12.04 17:45:00 - [12] - Quote Give us decent LAV`s again and a selection and I can somewhat agree. I can see this thread may well turn into a waste of time however. "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game RUST415 1659	Posted - 2014.12.04 18:27:00 - [13] - Quote all thats required is for lavs to be damaged by sustained small arms fire. none of this defence bonus that tanks and dropships have. increase the ehp to compensate so it survives for a reasonable time but not over the top. this way 1 lav taking on a squad would perish quite easily under the hail of bullets and grenades. this would also allow the opportunity to create a top end lav which does have damage reduction through skills All Hail Legion
STYLIE77 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 286	Posted - 2014.12.04 18:40:00 - [14] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: Give us decent LAV`s again and a selection and I can somewhat agree. I can see this thread may well turn into a waste of time however. My Winmando has problems taking down some Saga's and most Methana's when they are properly fitted. However, even a Methana without modules takes the same amount of Swarms as a militia Sica or Soma. I have seen a Methana's last entire rounds with multiple AV trying to take it down. Speed, Shield and Armor reps, decent tank, and an advanced rail gun two shotting players made it a formidable opponent. Also, I have seen many smart tank pilots switch to their small rail turret to snipe the AV then return to the main rail for AV in the tank. A proto LAV should never have more tank than a well fit militia tank imo... other wise it wouldn't be a Light Assault Vehicle... it would be a Heavy Assault Vehicle.
KenKaniff69 Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2536	Posted - 2014.12.04 18:58:00 - [15] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: Give us decent LAV`s again and a selection and I can somewhat agree. I can see this thread may well turn into a waste of time however. Yes. LAV's that actually have a purpose besides free transportation would be totally different. ?
KenKaniff69 Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2536	Posted - 2014.12.04 19:01:00 - [16] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: KenKaniff69 wrote: Clearly some people aren't getting the point here. All I'm saying is that one AV grenade should kill one MLT/BPO LAV regardless of race. Beyond that LAV's should be as durable as need be to fit their role. Still a terrible idea. You obviously don't drive any vehicles at all. You know not of which you speak. STD LAVs have the same HP as MLT and BPO. Wow Mr Spkr. I underestimated your abrasiveness. No wonder you are so widely hated by vehicle pilots AND AV. This thread has officially been Spkr'd I guess. ?
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15459	Posted - 2014.12.04 19:52:00 - [17] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: KenKaniff69 wrote: Lately the talk of V vs AV has been starting to brew again. As these discussions heat up I just wanted to present a simple idea that held true through prior builds pertaining to LAV's. BPO/STD LAV's are meant to be cheap, fast transportation. I personally think that the BPO/STD LAV's should be able to be popped in one STD AV grenade, one STD swarm volley, or one STD forge shot. In Chromosome this was the way it worked and people who wanted to run others over were quickly countered by the ability of a person to equip a set of STD AV grenades. 1 STD packed AV grenade=1 MLT LAV If you wanted your LAV to survive, you got a better one or tanked it. Current the situation is quite odd when a MLT LAV takes TWO lai dai packed AV grenades to kill. A STD/MLT LAV having close to 3000 hp is silly. Return the numbers back to what we had in Chromosome when LAV's could even be popped by HMG's if they slowed for too long. As far as specialized LAV's like the Saga II, Chary, Limbus, Scouts, they need to have an agility/hp combination to suit their roles. As someone who didn't have very much experience with these I'll leave that to people who did. You obviously don't have any experience at all. We have nothing above a STD LAV. Why should it get destroyed with one STD AV grenade? They used to be destroyed like that. AV grenades were far too powerful for being idiot-proof. We obtained better cars, then everybody complained about it. Why? Because the remote mods were too clunky to use well enough. Dude its an opent topped vehicle. You drive one and a grenade hits you..... you die pretty quickly. *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
Toobar Zoobar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 30	Posted - 2014.12.04 21:55:00 - [18] - Quote Atiim wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Toobar Zoobar wrote: Yeah yeah make the lives of you AV trolls easier cause you don't have it easy enough already! One shot a LAV with a swarm?!? Hell No! Thats rediculous. LAVs suck enough as it is. LAVS on the move are harder to kill than a gunnlogi except under very specific circumstances. No I don't use swarms. That argument is invalid in the context of my statement. It's the same with Swarms. As long as there is any cover LAVs can easily drive around a corner fast enough to escape the volley. Assuming that is, that there's a corner to hide behind in the first place and that the swarms decide to render. Dust 514. A game about shooting people with super deadly sci-fi guns... and dancing.


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