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Meeko Fent
Kirkinen Risk Control
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Posted - 2014.12.02 23:43:00 -
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KA24DERT wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Direct isk payouts is something that is a question that needs to be answered carefully.
For example we don't want people permanently running prototypes. That's silly. What happens when we get PvE? People will be grinding for their ISK in efficient organized raids, and then hit the pubs with all their prototype gear and officer/pirate drops. Saying "we don't want people running proto in pubs" is the same as saying "we don't want people having ISK".
And people will die in PVE. And that will "put money in the pot", reducing the money the players get per match to a reasonable profit.
Increasing the profit from pubs, which already provides a fine profit if you play well, or w/ cheap suits, will increase the abundance of ISK, making it easier to afford protostomp 24:7
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Meeko Fent
Kirkinen Risk Control
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.12.05 00:40:00 -
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KA24DERT wrote:
An STD Gear mode was proposed by Micheal Epic as a solution to new players getting stomped, as a counter-proposal to Stevez just wanting a longer battle academy.
Micheal's proposal won't solve anything, because "proto stomping" is less about the "proto" and more about skilled organized squads stomping the crap out of newberries and bad players.
I never said I didn't want a standard mode for fear of stomping, I said that a standard mode won't stop stomping, and that segregating players according to battlefield effectiveness and battlefield experience is the correct solution to stomping of any sort.
You're conflating the "issue" of proto in pubs with the issue of stomping in pubs, like many other people in this game.
But none of that has anything to do with making a living in this game, for Veteran and Newberry alike.
If Newberry can be a competent logi in a pub and help their team by dropping equipment and healing, Newberry should get paid.
If Newberry gets paid enough to run PROTO, Newberry gets to run PROTO.
Problem now is that Newberry can barely make enough to run ADV because payouts DO NOT incentivize victory.
So Newberry idles in the MCC, and earns more ISK than if Newberry actually fought to win.
"Proto-Stomping not about proto"
*Looks at 1100eHP ProtoGalSalt, w/ 600 DPS Proto AR*
*Looks at 500 eHP Starter Fit w/ 450 DPS*
Yup ZERO CORRELATION.
Even If Proto gear isn't the main cause of "The Stomps" its a huge cause in both the exacerbation of it, and of making it a great deal easier to do.
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Meeko Fent
Kirkinen Risk Control
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.12.05 00:46:00 -
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B-F M wrote:Advanced fitting costs ~50K ISK, average winning payout (for me at least) is ~250K
If I die 5 times I make 0 ISK.
(Remember that we all want balanced matches - which would mean K/D that looks more like 12/10 than 29/2)
Is this the Working As Intended?
Is pub reward system designed around the idea that players should mostly run basic/militia - and if you run higher than basic you should expect to (over all, not per match) run at a loss/ or at best break even?
Without knowing the intended design it's hard to suggest a 'fix'...
I Imagine that advanced gear is prolly designed to break even during pubs, so That dying 5 times is breaking even.
Hmm.
Perhaps some price cuts on the advanced gears, and just leave the protos alone for sakes of leaving a protofit out of the reach of most wannabe pub stompers. I Imagine a 30% cut on costs of ADV gear would make ADV gear viable to run in Pubs
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