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Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2014.12.02 03:58:00 -
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LUGMOS wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:CPU PG buff vehicles. AV will remain potent AF. Agree. There would only be a marginal increase in vehicle effectivity, but will make way for more creative or diverse fittings.
You can't really have diverse fittings with only 2-3 main rack slots. Dropships are passable, but HAVs and LAVs have extremely limited number of fits and it has little to do with PG/CPU. I mean sure, I can probably fit better modules with PG/CPU, but the types of modules will remain unchanged.
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Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2014.12.02 05:55:00 -
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LUGMOS wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:LUGMOS wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:CPU PG buff vehicles. AV will remain potent AF. Agree. There would only be a marginal increase in vehicle effectivity, but will make way for more creative or diverse fittings. You can't really have diverse fittings with only 2-3 main rack slots. Dropships are passable, but HAVs and LAVs have extremely limited number of fits and it has little to do with PG/CPU. I mean sure, I can probably fit better modules with PG/CPU, but the types of modules will remain unchanged. True, but at least it opens some more fittings, like three boosters or three hardeners, or mix and match of two of those with something else.
I guess if you want to make fits that don't work?
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Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2014.12.02 20:44:00 -
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Eh not that biased. Armor HAVs are VERY hard to fit compared to shield tanks. You can easily fit full proto on a shield HAV, but cannot do the same for armor. I'm usually putting extra random **** on my Gunnlogis because I can, and I'm usually leaving a high slot empty on my madrugar because Im out of resources.
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Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2014.12.02 21:23:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Eh not that biased. Armor HAVs are VERY hard to fit compared to shield tanks. You can easily fit full proto on a shield HAV, but cannot do the same for armor. I'm usually putting extra random **** on my Gunnlogis because I can, and I'm usually leaving a high slot empty on my madrugar because Im out of resources. True but he's acting like OMG shield HAV's can fit what ever they want and have it all complex. Actually, shield HAV's have better fitting capabilities because their tank is in the High so they can use low for other modules. It's not the gunnlogi's fault that fitting modules are on the lows. This is true with damage mods, we gunnlogis aren't very good at fitting scanners, fuel injectors or damage mods. (We are but we give up a lot of tank to fit those modules).
I'd say you're right except I can usually fit an armor plate in my low as well on my shield tanks So it's not just lows being used for fitting modules.
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Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2014.12.02 21:51:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Eh not that biased. Armor HAVs are VERY hard to fit compared to shield tanks. You can easily fit full proto on a shield HAV, but cannot do the same for armor. I'm usually putting extra random **** on my Gunnlogis because I can, and I'm usually leaving a high slot empty on my madrugar because Im out of resources. True but he's acting like OMG shield HAV's can fit what ever they want and have it all complex. Actually, shield HAV's have better fitting capabilities because their tank is in the High so they can use low for other modules. It's not the gunnlogi's fault that fitting modules are on the lows. This is true with damage mods, we gunnlogis aren't very good at fitting scanners, fuel injectors or damage mods. (We are but we give up a lot of tank to fit those modules). I'd say you're right except I can usually fit an armor plate in my low as well on my shield tanks So it's not just lows being used for fitting modules. A suggestion that could alter and possible see to fixing this is the return of constant, low, passive shield regen like in the old days. So rather than a 4 second delay with 168 regen/sec a constant regeneration of 34/sec and a return of the old Shield Recharger modules in the low slots could really work wonders for de-incentivising armour tanking on Shield Hulls. For example- The only Ward Shield Recharger modified Regen rate by 19% and the old Sagaris HP values was roughly 24/sec. If this was increased to 34/sec on the new hulls and the Rechargers were altered so that with a PG extender the Gunnlogi could fit one and the Sagaris say 2 @ a static modifier of 20-25% You are looking at possibly a passive regeneration rate of 40.8 on the Gunnlogi and 47/sec on the Sagaris and still retain EHP values around 9-11K
We've been dancing around this shield/armor tanking style for a bit, I think we're starting to hone in on a proper solution. I think overall if Shield Tanks are going to have extremely high resists as they do now, the recharge needs to be lower. Now I think a regen fit Shield HAV should be a possibility, but then the super high eHP has to go so in that case I think the Recharger really needs to remain in the high slot, but also be quite powerful to compensate.
Thoughts on increasing recharge delay but adding Shield Regs to lows slots to compensate and encourage their use over armor plates?
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Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2014.12.02 21:56:00 -
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TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:LUGMOS wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:CPU PG buff vehicles. AV will remain potent AF. Agree. There would only be a marginal increase in vehicle effectivity, but will make way for more creative or diverse fittings. You can't really have diverse fittings with only 2-3 main rack slots. Dropships are passable, but HAVs and LAVs have extremely limited number of fits and it has little to do with PG/CPU. I mean sure, I can probably fit better modules with PG/CPU, but the types of modules will remain unchanged. You maybe, but my standard dropships would become floating fortresses if I had more CPU/PG with all dem slots. That's the only place it would make a huge difference though. Edit: Actually when I think about it that would probably be awful as standard dropships would be fitted like tanks... not sure if want... so much huey helicopter missile deaths if that happens.
Well as I said, dropships have a reasonable capacity for fitting diversity, its the HAVs and LAVs that are pretty much locked in with set fits.
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