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Apocalyptic Destroyerr Shining Flame Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2014.12.02 00:11:00 - [1] - Quote I got off of playing for a couple and Amarr & Caldari are still getting their faces stomped. It feels as if all the New Players of Dust and Nubs Went Amarr & Caldari. This crap is horrible. Even if you wanted to play FW for Gallente & Minmitar, you better have patience and enjoy those 5 - 7 Minute waiting times. A Question Pops up in my head. . How were these APEX suits intended for The New Guys of Dust ? If you have to get 100 Winning Games in & play around 200 in all to account for the losses. Not only that you need to run Proto to Compete if you play Amarr or Caldari. ( I Play Amarr & Gallente )
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15295	Posted - 2014.12.02 00:21:00 - [2] - Quote Apocalyptic Destroyerr wrote: I got off of playing for a couple and Amarr & Caldari are still getting their faces stomped. It feels as if all the New Players of Dust and Nubs Went Amarr & Caldari. This crap is horrible. Even if you wanted to play FW for Gallente & Minmitar, you better have patience and enjoy those 5 - 7 Minute waiting times. A Question Pops up in my head. . How were these APEX suits intended for The New Guys of Dust ? If you have to get 100 Winning Games in & play around 200 in all to account for the losses. Not only that you need to run Proto to Compete if you play Amarr or Caldari. ( I Play Amarr & Gallente ) You're a Servant Sister! I said, "Empress, I do this, I thought that you knew this. Can't stand non-believers and honest, the truth is...
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5352	Posted - 2014.12.02 00:30:00 - [3] - Quote More has to be done to incentivize and push people to group up. I think it's clear the vast majority of players feel like it's not worth their time. Especially when they spend the majority of their time in pubs where effort and winning actually lead to less profit. I wish my avatar was Minmatar.
Fiddler Galaine Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 61	Posted - 2014.12.02 00:57:00 - [4] - Quote It's a lot longer than 5 -7 minutes, especially if you're trying to get in solo it can go over half an hour.
The Master Race Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 422	Posted - 2014.12.02 01:07:00 - [5] - Quote The system is fail.. they need to add matchmaking how many players can neckbeard around all day to get a quesync group? Better yet how many time zones is it even possible to? 21 day fast 12/1/14 Life-$
Blueprint For Murder Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 422	Posted - 2014.12.02 01:07:00 - [6] - Quote The system is fail.. they need to add matchmaking how many players can neckbeard around all day to get a quesync group? Better yet how many time zones is it even possible to? The only timzones I can even get a match is eu and na it is ********. 21 day fast 12/1/14 Life-$
Sir Snugglz Red Star. EoN. 919	Posted - 2014.12.02 01:23:00 - [7] - Quote Veterans were given the opportunity to purchase the suits using Lp. Noobs could acquire the suits using Aur -Pro AFKing LVL 5 -Luck is just one of my skills -Just because I make flying look easy doesn't mean it is
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 1089	Posted - 2014.12.02 01:25:00 - [8] - Quote All it takes is one person. Says the guy who only plays Caldari FW, no pubs. Yeah so we may have Qsyncers against us 24/7 and have Newbs with us most of those and yes they may sit back with a thale, but they are not invincible! Just remember the Caldari have shamed the Gallente twice. (Independence and getting above and on Caldari Prime.) EDIT: Gallente scum... RPG!. The Ultimate Forum Passing-Time MetaGame!
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 1089	Posted - 2014.12.02 01:27:00 - [9] - Quote Blueprint For Murder wrote: The system is fail.. they need to add matchmaking how many players can neckbeard around all day to get a quesync group? Better yet how many time zones is it even possible to? The only timzones I can even get a match is eu and na it is ********. Try the Asia server, much faster. RPG!. The Ultimate Forum Passing-Time MetaGame!
Crimson ShieId Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1511	Posted - 2014.12.02 01:59:00 - [10] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: All it takes is one person. Says the guy who only plays Caldari FW, no pubs. Yeah so we may have Qsyncers against us 24/7 and have Newbs with us most of those and yes they may sit back with a thale, but they are not invincible! Just remember the Caldari have shamed the Gallente twice. (Independence and getting above and on Caldari Prime.) EDIT: Gallente scum... I want to taunt you about the Caldari FW grind in retort to that edit, but I just feel too sympathetic towards you and the suffering you're now enduring to bring myself to do so. **** Can't taunt True about tanks because that makes me sad, and I can't taunt you about the FW grind cause I feel sorry for you... I want to punch.

Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5353	Posted - 2014.12.02 02:17:00 - [11] - Quote You could take some time to put together a 16 team to sync Cal and/or Amarr and win 80% of your matches easily. Even if it took 2 hours to set it up you'd be making more progress by winning instead of losing all the time. It's weird that all these people that complain can't figure that out. Get some scouts running in uplinks and the squad leaders arranging dropships to the city (one at ground spawn and one from MCC). Focus on uplinks in the beginning (have a few people continue to kill and deploy them). Use a tanker or two to control an outside point with help from a good slayer scout or two. Encourage people to have AV fits. You could spend very little ISK and win most of your matches if you took a little while to build some proper squads and followed some variation of the strategy above. I wish my avatar was Minmatar.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5354	Posted - 2014.12.02 02:21:00 - [12] - Quote On the note above, any aspiring corp leader who is trying to build numbers in their corp could "step up" in one of the FW channels and have good success filling their ranks. I wish my avatar was Minmatar.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15302	Posted - 2014.12.02 02:27:00 - [13] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: You could take some time to put together a 16 team to sync Cal and/or Amarr and win 80% of your matches easily. Even if it took 2 hours to set it up you'd be making more progress by winning instead of losing all the time. It's weird that all these people that complain can't figure that out. Get some scouts running in uplinks and the squad leaders arranging dropships to the city (one at ground spawn and one from MCC). Focus on uplinks in the beginning (have a few people continue to kill and deploy them). Use a tanker or two to control an outside point with help from a good slayer scout or two. Encourage people to have AV fits. You could spend very little ISK and win most of your matches if you took a little while to build some proper squads and followed some variation of the strategy above. You can and groups from PIE Ground Control and Amarr1 can and do........ where players get the idea the organised Amarr players are not winning their matches from is beyond me, however not everyone want to squad up or sync. That's their prerogative. I said, "Empress, I do this, I thought that you knew this. Can't stand non-believers and honest, the truth is...
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5354	Posted - 2014.12.02 02:48:00 - [14] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: You could take some time to put together a 16 team to sync Cal and/or Amarr and win 80% of your matches easily. Even if it took 2 hours to set it up you'd be making more progress by winning instead of losing all the time. It's weird that all these people that complain can't figure that out. Get some scouts running in uplinks and the squad leaders arranging dropships to the city (one at ground spawn and one from MCC). Focus on uplinks in the beginning (have a few people continue to kill and deploy them). Use a tanker or two to control an outside point with help from a good slayer scout or two. Encourage people to have AV fits. You could spend very little ISK and win most of your matches if you took a little while to build some proper squads and followed some variation of the strategy above. You can and groups from PIE Ground Control and Amarr1 can and do........ where players get the idea the organised Amarr players are not winning their matches from is beyond me, however not everyone want to squad up or sync. That's their prerogative. There just aren't enough Amarr or Caldari groups. I am sure getting all the stuff in the LP stores will help a little. I wish my avatar was Minmatar.
Apocalyptic Destroyerr Shining Flame Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2014.12.02 04:34:00 - [15] - Quote There's just no incentive I feel. Sooo many nubs in damn Amarr FW and Caldari. . . Most of them actually aren't even newbs !! All they do is MCC Camp.
Kaze Eyrou Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1035	Posted - 2014.12.02 04:45:00 - [16] - Quote Apocalyptic Destroyerr wrote: There's just no incentive I feel. Sooo many nubs in damn Amarr FW and Caldari. . . Most of them actually aren't even newbs !! All they do is MCC Camp. Hey, we get those AFKers on the Gallente and Minmatar side too. They think they can just ride out the "win train" for as long as possible without a lick of effort. And sometimes, they get away with it. FW and the rewards need to change, and it looks like it's about to. CB Vet // Logi Bro // @KazeEyrou CIO ("Proto Forum Warrior") Learning Coalition & RTG
Lac Nokomis Dust Brazil's KDR 4	Posted - 2014.12.02 04:58:00 - [17] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: You could take some time to put together a 16 team to sync Cal and/or Amarr and win 80% of your matches easily. Even if it took 2 hours to set it up you'd be making more progress by winning instead of losing all the time. It's weird that all these people that complain can't figure that out. Get some scouts running in uplinks and the squad leaders arranging dropships to the city (one at ground spawn and one from MCC). Focus on uplinks in the beginning (have a few people continue to kill and deploy them). Use a tanker or two to control an outside point with help from a good slayer scout or two. Encourage people to have AV fits. You could spend very little ISK and win most of your matches if you took a little while to build some proper squads and followed some variation of the strategy above. ^^^ All of the above ^^^ I Q synced with Kirjuun Heiian all weekend and we only lost 1 game. You can't just hop into these channels and expect 15 other mercs waiting for you. It takes time. Voice in. Take lead if nobody else is doing it. Or you can just go play solo because it gets you in a game quickly then rage quit when you get stomped and come whine about it. EDIT: For post's sake... I thought 100k LP was alot but once I played over the week I realized its not really that big of a gring if you can get a good gang going. Going forward I think they will provide a LITTLE more incentive to play FW... At least they aren't doubling our LP for all of those Scout ck.o's and Sentinals I can't buy in the loyality store.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15312	Posted - 2014.12.02 05:07:00 - [18] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: True Adamance wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: You could take some time to put together a 16 team to sync Cal and/or Amarr and win 80% of your matches easily. Even if it took 2 hours to set it up you'd be making more progress by winning instead of losing all the time. It's weird that all these people that complain can't figure that out. Get some scouts running in uplinks and the squad leaders arranging dropships to the city (one at ground spawn and one from MCC). Focus on uplinks in the beginning (have a few people continue to kill and deploy them). Use a tanker or two to control an outside point with help from a good slayer scout or two. Encourage people to have AV fits. You could spend very little ISK and win most of your matches if you took a little while to build some proper squads and followed some variation of the strategy above. You can and groups from PIE Ground Control and Amarr1 can and do........ where players get the idea the organised Amarr players are not winning their matches from is beyond me, however not everyone want to squad up or sync. That's their prerogative. There just aren't enough Amarr or Caldari groups. I am sure getting all the stuff in the LP stores will help a little. Yeah there really aren't in Dust. But that;s how it goes every now and then. Once upon a time there weren't enough Minmatar players to hold up their end, and before that there weren't any Amarrians. It's the Pendulum War! I said, "Empress, I do this, I thought that you knew this. Can't stand non-believers and honest, the truth is...
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 4863	Posted - 2014.12.02 05:53:00 - [19] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: All it takes is one person. Says the guy who only plays Caldari FW, no pubs. Yeah so we may have Qsyncers against us 24/7 and have Newbs with us most of those and yes they may sit back with a thale, but they are not invincible! Just remember the Caldari have shamed the Gallente twice. (Independence and getting above and on Caldari Prime.) EDIT: Gallente scum... Is that why you guys brought that titan over to our space and killed many people down there? Civilian lives? Killing your own as well? Yup. The Caldari have shamed us all on Caldari Prime.
Mejt0 Fat'Kids are Hard to Kidnap 548	Posted - 2014.12.02 06:43:00 - [20] - Quote Caldari = have the Dumbest blueberries i ever seen Amarr = little better BBs Minmatar/Galscum = easy win without effort. Caldari Loyalist Markiplier fan. Got 6815 WP only on wrecking tanks with Ion Cannon.

LAVALLOIS Nash QcGOLD 301	Posted - 2014.12.02 06:48:00 - [21] - Quote I was playing quite a bit of FW before the Apex suits came out. always for the Gallente. Im Lv6. There used to be alot of militia suits, then when the Apex came out, there was proto suits everywhere. I got sick salvage, and there was a period where I had something like 9 wins in a row. But now, Im getting more defeats here and there, and have noticed alot of Federation Apex suits fighting on the Caldari side. See the people who play this game alot....generally tend to like collecting things. They will move faction to faction to gather the Apex fits they want. So these proto stomps wont last forever. Give it enough time, and FW matches will be a great , balanced place to play full of people in Apex fits. By then, hopefully, CCP will adjust so that we get a bit of standing for losing and a bit more LP. See its expensive running proto and paying 10 million per fit. The more suits these guys buy, the more they will be inclined to use them. I run solo 95% of the time and I expect to buy my first Apex this weekend. If I can do it, so can you. Also, on a side note, FW is rough. Its fighting for the territory of an empire. You should expect it to be a difficult, bloody, unforgiving match. The other night I was up against a good Caldari team with a AE squad. Got them 3 times in a row. I knew I was probably going to lose but i tried anyway. Its not like being stomped in a casual match where I was just chillin. In FW, i know what I signed up for, and I accept the consequences when we lose the fight.
CELESTA AUNGM Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 351	Posted - 2014.12.02 15:59:00 - [22] - Quote I'm level 4, Rank-2 (....), and I have always found FW matches to be technically difficult and rough compared to Public Matches. And the member who posted just ahead of mine is very CORRECT. FW SHOULD be a bloody hard shell to crack. It should separate players who are simply ace at shooting/killing/strafing,... from players who are simply ace at what Dust 514 is about! Currently, it's about assessing your neighboring players' movements, and syncing your actions with theirs in order to WIN THE CONFLICT. Sometimes winning is done by snatching the objectives (or simply holding the majority of the objectives until the ticking clock causes the red players to lose the conflict). Sometimes winning is done by strangling the reds into a corner (because they were not a cohesive team with a method for moving around the map), and slaughtering them while the few loners in your blue team stroll over and hack whatever suits their fancy. But if you are a seasoned player at FW, winning ALWAYS requires you to study how your blue players are behaving in this match, and DECIDE how best you can help them (and minimize your frustration while you're playing ). If you study the blues behavior and find they are moving in strong groups and aiming for hacks early, be a Jedi General and stay with them (they DON'T necessarily have to join squads---I've seen a mob of squad-less players link together intuitively and reinforce each other's objectives in matches). These are the moste enjoyable FW sessions. MIC use can be REALLY useful in FW, and many of us who gave up on MIC in Pubs aren't realizing how helpful you can be to new players by giving some UN-obnocscious advice during the Warbarge Lobby stage (drown out that danged woman selling Aurum), and telling everyone you will try to call out which next objective you think we should rally on as you see the match progressing. Sadly, the players on your team will show signs of being DIRT POOR at coop work----so you can assist them best by staying on the fringe of their activity, supporting them from a distance with installations to cover their efforts, and A/V to keep red vehicles from feasting on them, and hacking only on the fringe of the map (so you don't get sloughtered excessively in this match). Study your blues behavior, and decide QUICKLY what kind of match you've been dumped into this time. It means, as a seasoned FW player, your workload has now been painfully multiplied, yes. It means very often YOU are one of the only players on your team who can effectively turn this match into a WIN---and doing so will require all the resourcefulness, speed and sweat you've got. It also means that when you WIN, those goofy blues will never know WHY they won this match---never know that they owe their LP and rank increase to just 2 or 3 of tenacious players. But I have walked away from some matches, winning the match solely because I hacked the first Null, quickly saw that my fellow blues were aimlessly scattering like mice being annihalated with no chance of being useful in the match,... and just decided NOT to go help them, just hunker down beside this one Null and KEEP IT OURS no matter what! A couple of random blues decided to loiter nearby me. The reds (really skilled reds) got punched in the face so hard when they tied to approach the Null, that they got OBSCESSED with trying to claim 3 lives and 1 worthless Null,... and left the other half of the map open for blues to hack and win. Son of a Gun! Don't be ashamed to be selfish in FW's. If you can see that your usual frontline enthusiasm won't help the blues you're stuck with in THIS match, back off and give them the best REAR support or FRINGE-MAP help you can. I know it sounds bad to say it, but part of Dust is about good, non-wasteful management of your resources. I will never "leave a match" that I can see is "doomed", and I never "squat" in the rear and betray everyone else's efforts,... but I'm not going through that door with you, where 3 reds are waiting inside, if I know that (after you see me sacrifice myself on 2 of the reds to buy you the chance to finish off the last one)... you're going to run aimlessly away instead. Universe of good wishes for the 49, especially CCP Eterne... No story can have life without writers and publishers.
Apocalyptic Destroyerr Shining Flame Amarr Empire 12	Posted - 2014.12.02 20:36:00 - [23] - Quote With the new APEX suits that just arrived, I hope this will change the tide of FW...
Blueprint For Murder Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 424	Posted - 2014.12.02 21:52:00 - [24] - Quote lol played for like 6 hours and got 6 que sync matches went 4-2. The only thing worse than the time it took were some of the people in this games community. 21 day fast 12/1/14 Life-$
The Master Race Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 430	Posted - 2014.12.02 21:52:00 - [25] - Quote lol played for like 6 hours and got 6 que sync matches went 4-2. The only thing worse than the time it took were some of the people in this games community. 21 day fast 12/1/14 Life-$
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 629	Posted - 2014.12.02 22:00:00 - [26] - Quote Apocalyptic Destroyerr wrote: I got off of playing for a couple and Amarr & Caldari are still getting their faces stomped. It feels as if all the New Players of Dust and Nubs Went Amarr & Caldari. This crap is horrible. Even if you wanted to play FW for Gallente & Minmitar, you better have patience and enjoy those 5 - 7 Minute waiting times. A Question Pops up in my head. . How were these APEX suits intended for The New Guys of Dust ? If you have to get 100 Winning Games in & play around 200 in all to account for the losses. Not only that you need to run Proto to Compete if you play Amarr or Caldari. ( I Play Amarr & Gallente ) I just don't have the patience to wait around. Hell I flip them all on but end up joining a pub match because I'll be sitting there for 5 minutes with no match. It's not worth it, I'd rather grind isk and screw around in pubs then wait ages to join one game where I come in half way and am going to lose so yeaahh 200ish LP? Why I can buy a standard dropsuit with that!!!! I can do nothing in a pub and be able to buy more gear then with the LP winnings. Sure I can get lower req gear but without the skills I'd have for proto level its not really worth it. Just marginally better than my adv gear if I slap on proto gear that takes me 3-4 matches to earn enough LP for one fit that will get forge gunned or run over when I use it lol.
Apocalyptic Destroyerr Shining Flame Amarr Empire 12	Posted - 2014.12.03 03:16:00 - [27] - Quote This stuff sucks
Apocalyptic Destroyerr Shining Flame Amarr Empire 12	Posted - 2014.12.04 07:16:00 - [28] - Quote Does the MU algorithm Rattati put in Pubs affect FW ?? This stuff is horrible. Why are there so many people Idling. Is there any way for the Devs to fix that ??
STYLIE77 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 280	Posted - 2014.12.04 07:30:00 - [29] - Quote Apocalyptic Destroyerr wrote: Does the MU algorithm Rattati put in Pubs affect FW ?? This stuff is horrible. Why are there so many people Idling. Is there any way for the Devs to fix that ?? LP should be awarded JUST LIKE SP/ISK 0 WP should = 0 LP That will stop that **** QUICK.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 1722	Posted - 2014.12.04 07:34:00 - [30] - Quote Apocalyptic Destroyerr wrote: Does the MU algorithm Rattati put in Pubs affect FW ?? This stuff is horrible. Why are there so many people Idling. Is there any way for the Devs to fix that ?? Mu is a team balancer / sorter. When you queue for a pub matches it grabs all the players for a match and then sorts them onto different sides in attempt to get relatively equal 'mu' values. This does not work for faction warfare because you have already chosen which side you want to play for. 1)Faction warfare does not have any balancing checks 2)Faction warfare prefers to grab squads to unsquadded people 3)Faction warfare will grab whoever is in the queue first to make a match (except where this interacts with #2) 4)Mu doesn't apply to faction warfare as it's really more of a team balance sorter than a 'match-maker' Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.



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