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Summa Militum
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Posted - 2014.12.01 18:12:00 -
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I recently decided to give Factional Warfare a shot and I have mixed feelings about it.
I have played a total of 3 matches and out of those I have only won one match.
To me it seems that Skirmish Matches might be too much for a lot of people to handle. For example the first match I played I got destroyed (3 kills and 6 deaths) and still came in second place. The combined kills on that match for 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place was 11 and the combined kills for the remaining 12 members on my team was 3.
What are some good strategies for handling Factional Contracts? I am thinking of just picking an objective to hack and simply do what I can to hold it for the length of the match. I found that if I try to hack multiple objectives the enemy will just follow behind rehacking everything that I hack.
Also, I am only playing Galente Factional Contracts if that matters to any of you in terms of strategy. |
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Posted - 2014.12.01 18:27:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:FIrst Question: Are you running in a full squad?
No. I do not run squads and I have no intention on running with a squad. I simply pay attention to my teammates around me and I work with that. I feel that if you have to run with a squad to win than your situational awareness is ****** and you have forgotten that this is a "team-oriented" game and not a "squad-oriented" game.
Side Note: I am very stubborn when it comes down to running with squads but my attitude towards it might change; I have become more open to it over this past month. If it does change how can I ensure that the squad I join will only be playing Factional Contracts and will only play on the side of the Gallente? |
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Posted - 2014.12.01 18:33:00 -
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So as of now it seems running with a squad is the only way to go. This saddens me.
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Summa Militum
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Posted - 2014.12.01 18:47:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Summa Militum wrote:No. I do not run squads and I have no intention on running with a squad. I simply pay attention to my teammates around me and I work with that. I feel that if you have to run with a squad to win than your situational awareness is ****** and you have forgotten that this is a "team-oriented" game and not a "squad-oriented" game. Actually homie, this game is squad-centric... http://dust514.com/game/faq/Link above wrote:Combat in DUST 514 is tactical and squad-based If you don't squad you are a waste of a teammate. Please get out of FW now before you cause any more losses. Summa Militum wrote:If it does change how can I ensure that the squad I join will only be playing Factional Contracts and will only play on the side of the Gallente? Find one of the channels for your faction of choice. Gallente is not my thing so I'll let someone else give you their channels.
How am I causing the team to lose? I hack a bunch of objectives, I kill a bunch of enemies, and I assist my teammates in taking enemies down that they are engaging. I know I have only played 3 Factional Warfare Contracts so that is not really enough matches to determine if I am a benefit or a hindrance but in those 3 matches I am placing in the top spots on the leaderboard whereas 75% of my other teammates are accomplishing nothing and finishing the match with a **** KDR and an embarrassingly low amount of WP.
Are solo players expected to make up for the shortcomings of everyone else?
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Summa Militum
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Posted - 2014.12.01 19:58:00 -
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robin williams' ghost wrote:Summa Militum wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:FIrst Question: Are you running in a full squad? No. I do not run squads and I have no intention on running with a squad. I simply pay attention to my teammates around me and I work with that. I feel that if you have to run with a squad to win than your situational awareness is ****** and you have forgotten that this is a "team-oriented" game and not a "squad-oriented" game. Side Note: I am very stubborn when it comes down to running with squads but my attitude towards it might change; I have become more open to it over this past month. If it does change how can I ensure that the squad I join will only be playing Factional Contracts and will only play on the side of the Gallente? For you I would suggest c.o.d.
I used to play Call of Duty before this game and I dominated that ****. I like this game because I feel rewarded for doing well when I am able to skill up my character to being a badass. At Call of Duty all I ever did was focus on trying to get Titles and Emblems (that got boring). |
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Posted - 2014.12.01 20:07:00 -
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Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:Seriously though, the only way to reliably win FW is to squad. How, you ask, does this ensure victory? Well, it's simple really. All you need is to make sure your squadmates are better than the average blueberry! Easy, right? In doing so, you improve the quality of your team, and get into matches quickly. I rarely ever wait more than 2 minutes for a FW, because I'm always squaded. I hardly ever lose in FW, because I can ensure I have great teammates through squadding. NEVER EVER USE THE SQUAD FINDER.
If you're not squadding in FW, you are a detriment to your team, as it should be.
Really? You think so?
I just finished playing a Factional Contract about 30 minutes ago. Not only did my team win but I came in 2nd place with 10 kills:3 deaths and only a little over 100 WP less than the guy who got first place (I got just over 1200 WP). I'm not logistics either. I play with that Assault class so I can run right up on or flank right up on people and take them out.
If I view my stats from the 4 Factional Contracts I have played (all of which I was not part of a squad) it would appear I am more beneficial to my team than I am detrimental regardless of whether or not I play with a squad. |
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Posted - 2014.12.02 05:29:00 -
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Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:Summa Militum wrote:If I view my stats from the 4 Factional Contracts I have played (all of which I was not part of a squad) it would appear I am more beneficial to my team than I am detrimental regardless of whether or not I play with a squad. I don't care if you're the fckn God of Dust, you can't win matches on your own! Obviously you are the best playa eva, and your blues are just terrible? Then get a good squad together to replace them! Lemme guess, hardly any of your blues were squadded? I also bet that there were full squads on the Caldari side. Look, just listen to me. Squadding = win. Go join Lucent Echelon, get a full squad together, fight a match, THEN still tell me that I'm wrong. I'm willing to bet 1 million ISK on you winning. Squadding = win. Get a squad together and prove me wrong.
Slow your roll, buddy. I am in no way saying that I can win matches by myself. What I am saying is I don't have to be dependent on a squad to win.
I win because I work with the entire team that I am given and I am smart enough not to need a squad leader to hold my hand and guide me through what I am supposed to be doing in a match.
Will you give me a million ISK for winning without being a part of the Lucent Echelon squad? If so that is a task I have already accomplished. |
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Posted - 2014.12.02 17:26:00 -
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Dreis Shadowweaver wrote: I give up! Someone help me out here! Tell me, OP, what's your weekly W/L? If it's above 2.00, I'll shut up right now. I'm sitting on an almost 4.00 W/L this week, and you know why? Because I always play in a squad! And I haven't even played FW this week! A couple weeks ago I played pretty much only FW all week. I had a 7.92 W/L by the end. It's not because I'm an amazing player, it's because I had a great squad to play with! Squadding = win, especially in FW. Until I see your name in Lucent Echelon, or you at least tell me that you've squadded, I really can't take you seriously.
What was your contribution to the matches you won? If you win matches but you don't contribute anything worth a damn then you are simply riding someone else's glory. |
Summa Militum
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Posted - 2014.12.02 17:28:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:Summa Militum wrote:I recently decided to give Factional Warfare a shot and I have mixed feelings about it.
I have played a total of 3 matches and out of those I have only won one match.
To me it seems that Skirmish Matches might be too much for a lot of people to handle. For example the first match I played I got destroyed (3 kills and 6 deaths) and still came in second place. The combined kills on that match for 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place was 11 and the combined kills for the remaining 12 members on my team was 3.
What are some good strategies for handling Factional Contracts? I am thinking of just picking an objective to hack and simply do what I can to hold it for the length of the match. I found that if I try to hack multiple objectives the enemy will just follow behind rehacking everything that I hack.
Also, I am only playing Galente Factional Contracts if that matters to any of you in terms of strategy. as much as i hate to say it.. the way to win FW is Proto suits and Queue Sync, Queue Sync, Queue Sync. ima go get a shower now.. i feel dirty after saying that
I definitely use my top Proto Suit when I jump into those Factional Contracts; I'd be foolish not to. |
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Posted - 2014.12.02 18:20:00 -
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Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:Summa Militum wrote:Dreis Shadowweaver wrote: I give up! Someone help me out here! Tell me, OP, what's your weekly W/L? If it's above 2.00, I'll shut up right now. I'm sitting on an almost 4.00 W/L this week, and you know why? Because I always play in a squad! And I haven't even played FW this week! A couple weeks ago I played pretty much only FW all week. I had a 7.92 W/L by the end. It's not because I'm an amazing player, it's because I had a great squad to play with! Squadding = win, especially in FW. Until I see your name in Lucent Echelon, or you at least tell me that you've squadded, I really can't take you seriously. What was your contribution to the matches you won? If you win matches but you don't contribute anything worth a damn then you are simply riding someone else's glory. OMFG just tell me your W/L. Then squad. Then tell me how right I was.
My weekly W/L ratio is a 1.27. That is playing nothing but Public Contracts with the exception of 6 Factional Contracts in which four of those 6 were wins. Without running in a squad I still have a positive W/L ratio. My weekly KDR is at 3.29. |
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Summa Militum
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Posted - 2014.12.02 19:25:00 -
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Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:Please, for the love of God, just squad! Just once! FFS, I'll fckn pay you to stop soloing! Also, W/L is way more important than K/D. I'm pleased to say that my weekly W/L is higher than my weekly K/D. I'm telling you, if you run with a good squad in FW, you'll win like 9/10. Once again, it's not about you relying on squadmates, it's about replacing those idiotic blues that solo in... oh wait You get into matches way faster with a squad too.
I agree a persons W/L ratio is more important than their KDR so long as the amount of WP earned in matches justifies the difference between the two.
Based on what I saw in this Factional Match I just played I will give squads a shot. The team I was in couldn't seem to hold a point for very long forcing me to whip out an LAV so I can speed across the map hacking objectives which led me to accidentally running into one of my teammates and killing him; I felt pretty bad about that. I let him kill me in return and gave him 350,000 ISK for compensation. |
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Posted - 2014.12.03 00:19:00 -
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Midas Fool wrote:Summa Militum wrote:So as of now it seems running with a squad is the only way to go. This saddens me.
Why would you try to play a game solo when it is clearly geared otherwise? And then blame the game... Join a squad and use a mic so you can be actually helpful. There are plenty of solo roles any squad could use and there would be little to no difference on your end, except for helping others make WP and orbitals. Chances are they'll do the same for you for some strange reason. If you just can't be bothered to talk to people, well...then don't. Call out scouts though plz. EDIT: Summa Militum wrote:My weekly W/L ratio is a 1.27. That is playing nothing but Public Contracts with the exception of 6 Factional Contracts in which four of those 6 were wins. Without running in a squad I still have a positive W/L ratio. My weekly KDR is at 3.29. Good ****! Since numbers are so important to you, why wouldn't you want to double or triple them with support?
I don't blame the game, I blame the players.
My big issue about me running with a squad is being expected to take orders from someone who for all I know is a dumbass. I have seen too much idiocy in this game with the people playing it to ever trust any command given to me by someone I don't know; I don't think I would trust most commands given to me by people I do know. I am not saying I would be completely insubordinate as a member of a squad but I am saying that their is no way I will blindly follow orders from someone.
Now I am a reasonable man and I know I am passing a lot of judgment on running with a squad when I have never even actually tried it so I am going to give it a shot to be fair.
And I will call out the Scouts for people. I am actually really good at spotting cloaked Scouts from far off distances. I like cloaked Scouts; they are easy kills for me since their armor and shield tend to be stupidly low.
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Summa Militum
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Posted - 2014.12.03 00:46:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:first find 16 people... better yet find more than that since your going ot need to pick and choose based on SP
you need - a commander, a side role mostly, must be able to predict battle flow and is responcable for calling out what objectives to push, where squads should spawn, and what is the priority at any givin moment. this is make or break. - dropship pilot with either amaar or minmatar logi suit with complex hacking modules in every low (uplinks manditory the rest is just nice - 2 tankers with flexability as far as turrets and both gunnlogi/madrugar
thats your command squad.
squad 1
- 2-3 heavys (amaar) -2 minmatar logis (uplink, nano, rep, needle) - 1-2 scouts either amaar (anti scout role), gallente (anti logi role) (uplinks a must)
squad 2
2-3 scouts caldari and gallente preefered uplinks a must 1 gallente logi the rest fill as per preferance
command squad does the primary communication as you have the FC and your dropship with the greatest innsight into the battle, the tankers need to communicate well with the fc and the dropship to counter other dropships and tanks, EVERYONE ELSE fills the needs of these 4 people.
squad 1 is a defencive squad, specilised in holding a point, used for entrenched defence or used in a switch to prolong a failing objective to buy time to use squad 2 in taking a different one. you need to be proactive in telling these guys what their primary objective is and if nessesary they ALL need to suicide for a hot swap on a freesh uplink on a newly ninjad base.
squad two is your attack squad, used in harrasement int hee event that you hold a winning number of objectives and used to capture new objectives when you need them. stealthy quick and very anti-scout it needs to be able to get in, kill off enamy uplinks, and place their own in a very short amount of time, used to create a position in wich squad 1 can inhabit.
squad one is also built so that you can split it into 2 squads to defend two closer together objectives, BUT only if they are still in range enough to suppport each other.
^^ truth. Although I might disagree about the exact makeups of the squads, this guy knows what it takes to win at FW/PC (i.e. competitive skirmish). For the individual, and in the case of the OP, I would suggest finding a group that acts like the above and queue syncing with them if you hope to win a lot. Otherwise you're just going to get pounded all too frequently by people who are bringing things outlined in Ghost's post above -- and when you do, you stand little to no chance against them, bottom line. In factional these days, you better bring it.
I'm new to Factional so I will heed everyone's advice and give it a go with a squad. I am 7 months into this game and I have played Public Contracts solely until this past week when I decided to try out the Factional Warfare. |
Summa Militum
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Posted - 2014.12.03 00:50:00 -
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Midas Fool wrote:Are you joking? I recommend a little humility, damn.
If you are so good, then YOU give out orders. Maybe help your fellows to achieve your level.
Also, I promise you that you aren't as good as you think. If only you could understand the irony in accusing others of "idiocy" while you refuse to even join a squad in FW.
You don't see constant idiocy in this game? Wait...of course you do. You and people like you just refer to them as blueberries. |
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Posted - 2014.12.03 04:10:00 -
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Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:Don't use the Squad Finder, the people you'll find are just terribad. Use a channel like Lucent Echelon. Know what LFS means?
Google tells me LFS stands for Local Fish Store.
How do I join a channel? I am not seeing anything about a channel in the game menu. |
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Posted - 2014.12.03 06:02:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Summa Militum wrote:So as of now it seems running with a squad is the only way to go. This saddens me.
Well, no one said FW was for solo players anyways. We all knew that as soon as FW was introduced. Besides, a full squad technically has priority over solo players when it comes to entering FW matches.
I just don't understand why it is so difficult for people to treat the entire team as a squad as opposed to just 5 or 6 people.
I also think that it is kind of pathetic that when I ask people what strategy they have for Factional Warfare the only response I receive is to join a squad. I don't see how joining a squad is a strategy; what the squad does in the match is what I see as a strategy.
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Summa Militum
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Posted - 2014.12.03 06:58:00 -
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Midas Fool wrote:Summa Militum wrote:I just don't understand why it is so difficult for people to treat the entire team as a squad as opposed to just 5 or 6 people.
I also think that it is kind of pathetic that when I ask people what strategy they have for Factional Warfare the only response I receive is to join a squad. I don't see how joining a squad is a strategy; what the squad does in the match is what I see as a strategy.
You are thinking of tactics. There's a lot of those too, but unless its a really good game most people don't try THAT hard. I mean, if you are a logi, put down some uplinks, support your squad etc. If you feel like killing some then do it I guess...then cap the points and win the game. There are a lot of viable tactics in this game for different situations so I'm not sure what to list to win a FW game. Strategy is overall plan. You know, like organize people into squads...
If the only aspect of a strategy people can come up with is to join a squad then things don't look to promising to me.
Let me give you an example I witnessed today of a squad on my team in a Factional Warfare match who failed miserably because they did not have an actual strategy. I accidentally ran into a guy on my team with an LAV and killed him (I'm still getting used to being able to inflict damage on my own teammates). This guy was not too happy about that. That guy was on a four man squad and he rallied his squad to come after me. The squad met up with me as I was hacking an objective and began firing at me. I dismissed them firing at me and continued hacking the objective. After hacking the objective I immediately went to flank a redline sniper so I can put an end to his bullshit. The entire time I am flanking the sniper this squad is continuing to fire at me from close to mid range yet they were still unable to do any real damage to me. After I took out the redline sniper I ran right up to the guy I accidentally killed, whose entire squad is still trying to kill me, so that he can get his revenge kill on me (the way I see it I completed my objectives for that little area of the map so I figured I will let this guy have his revenge). Only after I ran up and stood 3 feet in front of the guy without moving an inch was this guy and his squad able to take me out. If that squad had strategized their individual skill sets appropriately they should have been able to take me out without me having to run right up to them and allowing them to kill me.
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Summa Militum
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Posted - 2014.12.03 07:07:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Summa Militum wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Summa Militum wrote:So as of now it seems running with a squad is the only way to go. This saddens me.
Well, no one said FW was for solo players anyways. We all knew that as soon as FW was introduced. Besides, a full squad technically has priority over solo players when it comes to entering FW matches. I just don't understand why it is so difficult for people to treat the entire team as a squad as opposed to just 5 or 6 people. I also think that it is kind of pathetic that when I ask people what strategy they have for Factional Warfare the only response I receive is to join a squad. I don't see how joining a squad is a strategy; what the squad does in the match is what I see as a strategy. A squad gives you orbital advantage especially if you happen to have an Eve player backing you up and I occasionally do see eve players overhead in a few FW matches. Another advantage is being able to share passive scans for the rest of the squad if you're a scout. Although I'm not sure if that will still be the case after 1.10 is live. There is also communications since it's not likely that anyone would hear you on team chat. Strategy is something that is developed on the fly depending on the map and who the opposing team consists of so your best bet is assembling a good squad or at least encouraging some unit cohesion within the squad so you can have a fighting chance. Sharing intel is especially critical because your squad will need to know what's happening around them as they might be too busy dealing with one situation to notice a new situation developing.
Only on occasion and under unique and specific circumstances will I come up with a strategy on the fly. I already have several gameplay strategies and Dropsuit Classes to accommodate those strategies that I choose from depending on how I see my team performing. The only thing is I designed my strategies to work with Public Matches so I am trying to figure out appropriate strategies for Factional Warfare. |
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