I mean, how is a cal heavy supposed to compete

Ermmm...

Why does that matter?

Unless your shooting yourself, that is a useless point. ScR and Flux nades whoop CalSent ass.

No not even with a Complex CPU Extender and a Basic Turret. Unless you want to sacrifice your entire armour tank capacity.

@ Ghost- Do it your heathen dog! I'd love to argue shield vs Armour, Amarr vs Minmatar semantics...but prepare for me to giggle every time I talk about crusading for stuff, God, and slavery.

IRL I sometimes cannot take it all seriously.

I would say me, but I dont quite know the TZ thats on.

And, I may be on and off randomly. I haz life.

The issue with Shields is that I sacrifice a great deal to capitalize on my strength (regen)

I have to sacrifice all my major armor buffer to get a very good Regen.

Armor suits have more versatility in that they already have their buffer built in to how their suit is designed to play. I could slap MORE buffer, in the way of shields, or I can add damage, or add melee, or add the other high mods.

To do the same, I have to rely on my shields, which then regen too slowly to be able to rapidly reengage following a fight. I clear a area out of guys, wait for shields to recharge before rushing the last bit of terrain, and they've already spawned back.


That, and, 1 v 1, a pure armor suit will likely win every time. They have more buffer compared to pure shield, and they have the added damage from the free highs.

Nothing in the lows really provide an incentive to fit shield suits for hit and run, besides just running. And then, I lose a good deal for having longer recharge delays for that speed.


Balancing PURE shields and PURE armor will be VERY hard. Both bricked? And their pretty equal.


Its just PURELY, armor is inherently better.

No. RONG.

You get 700-800 eHP on proto suits.

On a cheap Standard suit, If you run pure shield, you end up w/ 600 eHP. W/ Capped out HP skills. Whereas a Bricked shield suit could reach a hundred HP higher, giving it a solid lead in CQC, or 1 v 1 fights. A Armor Suit is inherently higher still.

That Regen is useful, but as I said, capitalizing on regen loses a great deal of versatility in shield suits, making them one trick ponies. You have to lose your lows to make a good frontline shield suit, if you don't touch armor.

You NEED better regen to make a shield great, because they lose eHP compared to armor, and you need to source that regen not only from your famed "utility" slots, but you also have to set aside a slot or two for boosting your general recharge rate (HP/s), reducing your options for buffer more.

Maybe this is less an issue of shields being bad, and more a place of saying standard caldari shield suits are bad. Ish. Not really. Like I said, bricks are always great, and even then, the regen is still good, but it still isn't as good as armor, considering the current meta of maps.

Have I ever told you how much the Maps are favoring high eHP suits lately?

No. RONG.

You get 700-800 eHP on proto suits.

On a cheap Standard suit, If you run pure shield, you end up w/ 600 eHP. W/ Capped out HP skills. Whereas a Bricked shield suit could reach a hundred HP higher, giving it a solid lead in CQC, or 1 v 1 fights. A Armor Suit is inherently higher still.

That Regen is useful, but as I said, capitalizing on regen loses a great deal of versatility in shield suits, making them one trick ponies. You have to lose your lows to make a good frontline shield suit, if you don't touch armor.

You NEED better regen to make a shield great, because they lose eHP compared to armor, and you need to source that regen not only from your famed "utility" slots, but you also have to set aside a slot or two for boosting your general recharge rate (HP/s) from your highs, reducing your options for buffer more.

Maybe this is less an issue of shields being bad, and more a place of saying standard caldari shield suits are bad. Ish. Not really. Like I said, bricks are always great, and even then, the regen is still good, but it still isn't as good as armor, considering the current meta of maps.

Have I ever told you how much the Maps are favoring high eHP suits lately?

Well, maybe I should have said that I used maxed gear in this. Sorry. Maxed reppers are ok, and even then, a Comp reactive I something I always have on one of my fits. Standard gear is really crummy

But, even at that, at least the armor would survive to rep another day. Not trying to argue w/ the great Cat Merc (murrow), But Armor also has a ton of perks shield doesn't

• Triage Hives
• Repair Tools
• Needles

Armor gets a ton more support from logis then shield does. As in all the support. A Armor suit may not even have to worry about regen, it may have a triage hive in its pocket ready to throw down, or a buddy w/ a rep tool.

Of course, you are right in that solo armor suits vs solo shield suits lose because of the lack of regen.

Wat.

What did you do to it man?

True, but still, being able to fill up your armor pretty quick, plus the regular regen, is still good; plus that inherent eHP bonus. I was unaware that needles affected shields too, and it makes me sad. That was a pretty good plus to armor.

I was suggesting that you've survived the fight, and the other teams at spawn (or uplinks), and you can then get topped off by a friendly logi , if you play in a squad. After the Heavy is topped off, the logi can then rep you.

Of course, you are right in that solo armor suits vs solo shield suits lose because of the lack of regen.

And even then, my friend, the armor will just advance when your in cover recharging your shields.

But at the same time don't have a passive regen and must create their regen using module slots. Moreover suffer mobility penalties which in their own right are more than crippling enough.